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[kwinigolfer]

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[super_realist]

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Not sure I agree that it has been pretty good.  I know you hate the comparison to stroke play but you get the feeling quite a lot of the players would have missed the cut if they were in the some form on a tournament week.

Mac, why do you keep missing the point? FORGET anyone's score, all that matters is that you score lower than the opposition in terms to how that wins you holes. I've told you three times now I think that you don't need to go searching for birdies and eagles if they aren't required (and if the course and pin positions won't allow).


Are you sure you've ever really played golf? If you have it's no wonder you've never been any good with such a lack of understanding of how it works.

[Guest]

Rory McIlroy v Justin Thomas
Paul Casey v Brooks Koepka
Justin Rose v Webb Simpson
Jon Rahm v Tiger Woods
Tommy Fleetwood v Tony Finau
Ian Poulter v Dustin Johnson
Thorbjorn Olesen v Jordan Spieth
Sergio Garcia v Rickie Fowler
Francesco Molinari v Phil Mickelson
Tyrrell Hatton v Patrick Reed
Henrik Stenson v Bubba Watson
Alex Noren v Bryson DeChambeau

[pedro]

McIlroy never had a particularly good RC record. I hope we don’t fall into the same trap as the Americans have done in the past with Tiger and Phil, and rely too much on him, playing him in all the sessions, and with ever changing partners. If we can rest Rose surely we can rest McIlroy. I’m not arguing agaist going with the same foursomes lineup again today, it’s more the notion that McIlroy somehow gets rated by a different book, just like Tiger does/did.

[GPB]

Hard to believe that Poulter lost both his matches today!

and Simpson and Watson won their match (in 4somes!)

[beninho]

Webb simpson under utilized by america.

[kwinigolfer]

Hard to believe that Poulter lost both his matches today!

and Simpson and Watson won their match (in 4somes!)

Thought Poults played OK, he didn't exactly have partners in great form and was playing against the best team the US had.
And Webby holed a tournament's worth of snakes, and played one of the shots of the tournament - having said which I don't remember Sergio & Noren holing anything.

I would have preferred Casey leading off, someone that can better be expected to find fairways and greens - would almost have "hidden" Rory, so hope I'm proved very, very wrong on that.

[pedro]

I agree kwini. Playing Rory first is like regarding him as being some kind of a deity. Should he lose it will trickle down negatively through the ranks. This is exactly the mistake the Americans have always done, culminating when they infamously paired Woods and Mickelson.

I’d rather play an under the radar guy first, Casey is a good shout.

[Diggers]

I’d have thought using that rationale Molinari might have been good to send out first. I’d like to see Rory go well though, he’s clearly got the goods to blow anyone away.

[GPB]

Thought Poults played OK, he didn't exactly have partners in great form and was playing against the best team the US had.

Earlier this thread someone opined:

Match play is not always about how you play, it is often about how your opponent plays

That statement got dismissed. And When I said that Poulter (in 2012) played against opponents that were not in form, that statement also was dismissed and ridiculed.

Poulter has gone 1-3-2 in his last six matches. Earlier I said the aura around Poulter has lost its luster.

And Webby holed a tournament's worth of snakes, and played one of the shots of the tournament - having said which I don't remember Sergio & Noren holing anything.

That's funny! and also funny how I got flamed for nitpicking Poulter's wins!

FWIW, Woods has gone 0-6-1 in his last 7 matches. He sucks. Not sure of the last time someone has gone winless in seven straight matches.

[kwinigolfer]

GPB,
I was trying to respond to your comment that "hard to believe Poulter lost both his matches today"!
All I'm saying is: No it isn't!


I wonder if Furyk might say later in life that almost having to make Mickelson & Woods as wildcard choices put him into something of a compromised position, beholden to his peers on a course that he must have known wouldn't suit them?
Not sure having one's former teammates in the team you're captaining is that great an idea - something that Europe might want to think about with Harrington and Westwood no doubt thinking they're in line for an upcoming captaincy with the probability that Sergio will still be around.

[GPB]

I was trying to respond to your comment that "hard to believe Poulter lost both his matches today"!
All I'm saying is: No it isn't!

Wouldn't that be akin to saying it is not Tiger's fault for going 0-3 when he had to play Moliwood in all three of his matches?

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Sergio better not be relying on a Captains pick when Harrington is the Captain.

[kwinigolfer]

Tiger played poorly, whatever he contends to the contrary, and his partners played worse.
For some reason he helps to inspire partners in the Pres Cup, but has no rapport with them in the RC. Strange, but also imagine we'll hear his body is knackered. Just as his retrospective complaints post Medinah.

Re: Sergio & Padraig: Quite.

[NedB-H]

I wonder if Furyk might say later in life that almost having to make Mickelson & Woods as wildcard choices put him into something of a compromised position, beholden to his peers on a course that he must have known wouldn't suit them?
Not sure having one's former teammates in the team you're captaining is that great an idea - something that Europe might want to think about with Harrington and Westwood no doubt thinking they're in line for an upcoming captaincy with the probability that Sergio will still be around.

Missed all of this afternoon’s second session with a wedding, but this jumps out as the most pertinent point. Always felt as though Furyk almost couldn’t pick anyone else over Tiger and Phil, because of the simple fact of being picked over Tiger or Phil would wreck your game.

Furyk has had some questionable pair still but his singles are spot on. Europe need a win in the first four, if they don’t get that they’re in trouble,

[beninho]

Im naturally pessimistic,so I have concerns they will blow this today and the best Americans will finally show up. Im sure tiger wins, he tends to in singles. Its gonna be close.

[super_realist]

GPB,
I was trying to respond to your comment that "hard to believe Poulter lost both his matches today"!
All I'm saying is: No it isn't!


I wonder if Furyk might say later in life that almost having to make Mickelson & Woods as wildcard choices put him into something of a compromised position, beholden to his peers on a course that he must have known wouldn't suit them?
Not sure having one's former teammates in the team you're captaining is that great an idea - something that Europe might want to think about with Harrington and Westwood no doubt thinking they're in line for an upcoming captaincy with the probability that Sergio will still be around.

It's a good point Kwini. Furyk was undoubtedly under pressure to pick America's two worst RC players of all time on the basis of their names and reputations in the game. No one even seemed to consider that they cost about 2-3 points for every point they've gained. Moobs especially looked like he just couldn't be bothered.

Putting them in the team has been easy meat for Europe, and Deshambles has been the flake I thought he would be.

On the European side Rahm has been a let down and it's a shame that Olesen was the only European left with one match going into the singles.

[kwinigolfer]

Only two matches have reached the 18th so far . . . . .


Reckon it's crucial that Rory, Casey & Rose come up with at least 1 1/2 points - keep that blue on the top of the board.

Not necessarily pessimistic, just nervous! Can't wait!!

[Born Slippy]

Predictions today:

Thomas beats Rory
Koepka beats Casey
Rose beats Simpson
Woods beats Rahm
Fleetwood beats Finau
Poulter beats Johnson
Speith beats Olesen
Fowler beats Garcia
Molinari beats Mickelson
Reed beats Hatton
Stenson beats Watson
BDC beats Noren

Europe hang on to win 15-13.

[kwinigolfer]

Hoping that Olesen & Rahm get on the scoreboard #teameffort

[wiretapper]

I’m surprisingly not all that nervous considering how I’ve felt at previous Ryder Cups. I think it may be because I didn’t expect us to be in this position. A few reds on the board will change that though no doubt...

[wiretapper]

It would be nice Kwini although not really necessary if we win. Peter Hanson was the only European not to score at Medinah but only old golf bores like me remembers these things

[Born Slippy]

Europeans (other than Rahm) not playing the first well. Fortunately the Americans seem to be equally inept at the second!

[kwinigolfer]

It would be nice Kwini although not really necessary if we win. Peter Hanson was the only European not to score at Medinah but only old golf bores like me remembers these things

And an even older one recalls Faldo getting no points in 1985.

Mistake by Tommy not to try and chip in for par?

[Born Slippy]

At the first? He’d have been chipping for a bogey surely?

[kwinigolfer]

At the first? He’d have been chipping for a bogey surely?

Yup, you're right . . . . . . . Alzheimers error.

So far, so OK.

[Davie]

Tommy so good he can give USA a two hole head start :-) #RockOnTommy

EDIT: Hope I haven't jinxed him!

[Born Slippy]

Putting Rory out first was always likely to end badly. What a disaster at the last. Starting to look quite nervy for Europe now.

[Guest]

Thomas beats Rory

[Born Slippy]

Fabulous from Casey at 17.

[Born Slippy]

Europe holing nothing at the moment.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Rory absolutely bottled that match - had numerous chances to go ahead, then choked horrendously on the last

[wiretapper]

Definitely don't want a Brookline but don’t want a Valderrama either. I don’t think my heart could take it.

[Born Slippy]

Casey plays 17/18 nervelessly and Koepka holds himself together to get the half. High quality that one.

[owen10ozzy]

Awful from Rory....I know he got points this week but definitely the villain for Europe. Been awful and should consider himself lucky to play 3 matches never mind 5. 

Casey for me has been Europe's best. Fleetwood & Molinari outstanding but when you look at who Casey had as partner and then his overall score to par the bloke has been exceptional. 

Take your glasses off Rory it's not sunny you twonk and after bottling last hole your not cool enough to pull them off.

Very nervy for Europe..could see them bottling this big time.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Europe will still be ok - don’t see the Americans who are down at the moment coming back, all at least 2 down

[owen10ozzy]

Big call Olly....Huge swing and confidence when the final few Americans see that gap closing. Rose looked tired...as did Fleetwood so having them go out earlier looks a big call mow....but that decision to send out Rory first looking worse by the second

[Duty281]

Of course Europe will be ok. They're 1/150 in running at the moment! Fabulous since going 3-1 down.

[owen10ozzy]

Got to feel for Olesen....had to carry Rory on day one and did so very well posting -3 ...then sat for next day and half...comes back and smashes one of America's better players so far

[Guest]

Rahm wins, Molinari 2 up, and Stenson 4 up. DJ in trouble on 17th v Poulter. Europe nearly over the line.

[I'm never wrong]

Well done Poults

[Diggers]

There hasn’t really been any jeapordy all day, doubt the bookies odds have been anything but very odds on for Europe.

[Born Slippy]

The Postman delivers and ends Dustin’s 100% record in Ryder Cup singles. Nearly over now.

[wiretapper]

That’s us done it, ended up being relatively comfortable

[kwinigolfer]

Time for the Task Force to reconvene . . . . . . . . .

[I'm never wrong]

Is that Molinari winning 5 points?

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Despite Bjorn’s horrible picks and pairings throughout, Europe have won. If only OwenOzzy was in charge this would’ve been done yesterday

[wiretapper]

And everyone won a point Kwini

[owen10ozzy]

Don't think taskforce is required. Chalk it down to a terrible 1st afternoon really...they lost all momentum they had and were battling from their. 


difficult to win on away soil and it's shown again. 

Think it's safe to say the big lesson to learn is that Woods & Mickelson should be nowhere near the American team unless they qualify automatically and taken it out of the hands of future captains. Even if they have a good season and merit a wildcard pick... They have proven they don't belong in the Ryder Cup format and not just based off today

What stands out for America is the youth in that team....Europe obviously has plenty on the cusp too...should be so me magical Ryder cups to come!

[beninho]

Really great win, surprisingly easy in the end. All that hyperbole from thursday!

[owen10ozzy]

Despite Bjorn’s horrible picks and pairings throughout, Europe have won. If only OwenOzzy was in charge this would’ve been done yesterday

 Exactly! 

Didn't say horrible to be fair...said questionable and that was the afternoon picks of Morning 1...which America gift wrapped for us. 

And actually if we were to nitpick then he still made some odd choices throughout....sitting Olesen while playing Hatton....putting Rory out first today despite his poor performances throughout....breaking up the Stenson/Rose partnership on 1st morning. So like everything can still analyse and reflect even in victory. 

But all in all job got done..some of his big decisions paid off....Molinari/Fleetwood pairing.... Poulter pick...Garcia pick...use of Paul Casey throughout...

Successful Ryder Cup.....exclamation point being applied here and full credit to Bjorn

[Davie]

Despite Bjorn’s horrible picks and pairings throughout, Europe have won. If only OwenOzzy was in charge this would’ve been done yesterday

Horrible picks and pairings? Where exactly? I don't see any

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