Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

by super_realist Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:50 pm

It's more the leaving it to the last minute which is nonsense. It is appalling business practice for the buyer to do this, as the seller knows they can keep the price high.

What is the point in the window being open for two months if nothing gets done until the last day? Just make it a day long, the opposite of a DFS sale.

by westisbest Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:54 pm

super_realist wrote:Transfer deadline day is the most stupid thing in a stupid sport. It reminds me of the kid who does no revision for the entire study period then opens his books the night before and then expects to do well.

Retarded.

Its quality.

by westisbest Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:57 pm

Cleverly was good under Sherwood and think I he had stayed he would have got better.

MPB.

I like Westwood, for me I would like to see Sanchez go.

Adebayor looks like he could be set for West Ham.

by westisbest Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:03 pm

I like the window, but would be better if it closed the day before the season and not 4 games in.

by kwinigolfer Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:11 pm

What is more stupid?
The transfer window and in-season deadline?
or:
The loan system whereby clubs like Chelsea can warehouse prospects or send them out on loan - over twenty at last count? Holy Moses. Edit: According to the Beeb Chelsea now have 33 players out on loan. What's the point?

You can't say this about many aspects of American sport but the concepts of players honouring contracts and limiting the number of players a club can have on its books are two that the FA would do well to look at.

by MustPuttBetter Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:16 pm

super_realist wrote:It's more the leaving it to the last minute which is nonsense. It is appalling business practice for the buyer to do this, as the seller knows they can keep the price high.

What is the point in the window being open for two months if nothing gets done until the last day? Just make it a day long, the opposite of a DFS sale.

In fairness loads of stuff gets done before the last day. But the sellers know the can hang on asking for a high price. Sometimes it gets done at a stupid fee and sometimes the move just doesn't happen

by MustPuttBetter Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:22 pm

I thought Cleverley was just terrible. I've never seen a top level player with worse technique and 31 games, 3 goals no assists is wholly awful for an attacking midfielder. 4 games, no goals, no assists at Everton this year so keeping up the good form.

Westwood is a decent player but contributes next to nothing to Villa. Doesn't tackle, only passes sideways, destroys nothing, creates nothing.
I like the look of Gueye. Amavi looks to be an excellent signing. Not at all sure yet on Vertoute and Ayew.
Sanchez can go but mentioned Westwood as was thinking of strengthening what appears to be the starting 11. We'll see

by kwinigolfer Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:17 pm

Sounds like Adebayor to Villa is off.
The very definition of addition by inaction.
But who's going to score goals for Villa? Gerry Hitchens died 30 years ago . . . . . . .

by westisbest Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:22 pm

Don't think Adebayor really wanted to come to Villa.

To late now, but we need another forward. Gestede will score a few.

As I said Austin would be good.

May have to rely on Sinclair.

by kwinigolfer Tue Sep 01, 2015 11:25 pm

Charlie Austin not being snapped up by a Prem club is a head-scratcher - sounds like he turned down Palace, but there's hardly a team that couldn't use his goals.
I like Warnock's description of Van Gaal behaving like a stamp-collector as far as players are concerned . . . . . . . .

by westisbest Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:55 am

Can imagine Austin wanted more money than clubs were prepared to pay him.

by raycastleunited Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:00 pm

Charlie Austin staying is brilliant news, but I have to admit I am struggling to understand why nobody snapped him up. £15m sounds like peanuts compared to the cash being splashed around on unknown teenagers. From what has been reported (or made up) by the press, no club has met the £15m asking price so it's never been a question of wages.

I expect QPR will look to sell him in the January transfer window, otherwise he will leave for nothing next summer. Austin will also be motivated to move to a Prem club in January to try and squeeze into the England squad for the Euros.

Fair play to Austin, none of this "I'm never playing for the chairman again" histrionics. At the start of the season I thought QPR would really struggle, but with Austin, Green and Philips all staying, I now think we have a good chance of bouncing straight back up.

by westisbest Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:19 pm

Dont know how much truth is in it, but heard he wanted 80 grand a week.

May have put managers off, also think he has a history of a bad knee.

Still, would have been happy if Villa signed him.

by **navyblueshorts** Wed Sep 02, 2015 4:35 pm

raycastleunited wrote:Charlie Austin staying is brilliant news, but I have to admit I am struggling to understand why nobody snapped him up...

Maybe more to the chronic knee issue that was mentioned by someone than anyone thought? Probably asking for too much though as was said earlier.

by raycastleunited Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:14 pm

I don't think the knee is that much of an issue, he played pretty much every minute of every game last season. Possibly he was asking for too much, but I think it's more likely that other clubs didn't feel like sinking £15m in transfer fees for a player in the last year of his contract.

by McLaren Fri Sep 04, 2015 5:52 pm

super

The guy on the left is Thunderf00t.

Thunderf00t:

He was a prominent atheist, so I thought you would have heard of him. Now he is a sad anti-feminist character.

by incontinentia Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:43 pm

So... do you think Paula Radcliffe has doped during her career?

Personally I have no idea, but a question during the House of Commons hearing seems to have touched a nerve. https://www.rte.ie/sport/athletics/2015/0908/726512-paula-radcliffe-denies-cheating/

by I'm never wrong Wed Sep 09, 2015 2:17 am

Sometimes it is very difficult to prove a negative.

by Roller_Coaster Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:43 pm

Your stuff over my life?

Thoughts on the passengers taking their own luggage whilst being evacuated from aircraft?

I've never had to get off in such urgency so I can't say how I'd react, but such fannying about could clearly cost lives so I think they're totally out of order.

by super_realist Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:55 pm

I think you'd be justified in shoving them back into their seats.

by **navyblueshorts** Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:10 pm

incontinentia wrote:So... do you think Paula Radcliffe has doped during her career?

Personally I have no idea, but a question during the House of Commons hearing seems to have touched a nerve. https://www.rte.ie/sport/athletics/2015/0908/726512-paula-radcliffe-denies-cheating/

Who knows but i sure as Hell wish she'd STFU! "Almost abuse" my arse.

by super_realist Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:20 pm

Radcliffe has an extremely annoying voice in interviews, almost sounds persecuted and negative before she's asked a question, bit like Heather Watson.

by MustPuttBetter Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:41 pm

Roller_Coaster wrote:Your stuff over my life?

Thoughts on the passengers taking their own luggage whilst being evacuated from aircraft?

I've never had to get off in such urgency so I can't say how I'd react, but such fannying about could clearly cost lives so I think they're totally out of order.

The article says "But no-one really knows how they would react in a situation like this"

I do. I can 100% tell you if I had my little girl in my arms and was trying to get off this burning plane and the person in front of me starting trying to retrieve their laptop bag or whatever, I wouldn't hesitate for a single second to shove them back in their seat, and i'd possibly be waiting for them when they got off the plane too! Idiots

by super_realist Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:48 pm

Absolutely MPB.

When I have a fire alarm at work, I put my coat on, but if the building spontaneously burst into flames, I'd be getting out as quick as possible.

by MustPuttBetter Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:56 pm

True Super, I might take a second to grab my phone, keys etc at work also. The difference being that's not stopping anyone else from leaving the building, unlike the plane scenario where I'm assuming there are one, maybe two, narrow aisles

by McLaren Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:07 pm

MPB

You seem to have missed the point of "But no-one really knows how they would react in a situation like this".

I am sure you think you would act honorably but come the moment of truth you might be the flaky klutz trying to retrieve an ipad while your child inhales fumes from a burning aircraft.

You just don't know.

by I'm never wrong Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:09 pm

Now this is with hindsight, but I would leave all my stuff on the plane and let the airlines insurance company buy me replacement stuff! Possibly new!

by MustPuttBetter Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:13 pm

McLaren wrote:MPB

You seem to have missed the point of "But no-one really knows how they would react in a situation like this".

I am sure you think you would act honorably but come the moment of truth you might be the flaky klutz trying to retrieve an ipad while your child inhales fumes from a burning aircraft.

You just don't know.

If you'd read my post you'd have seen I in fact did not miss that point, I addressed it quite clearly

Ha ha, well played INW!

by McLaren Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:16 pm

MPB

I really can't see where you address it. Please explain.

by super_realist Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:16 pm

McLaren wrote:MPB

You seem to have missed the point of "But no-one really knows how they would react in a situation like this".

I am sure you think you would act honorably but come the moment of truth you might be the flaky klutz trying to retrieve an ipad while your child inhales fumes from a burning aircraft.

You just don't know.

Mac, how do you know? Personally I've been in a couple of very dangerous situations where I didn't behave like a moron, not a burning plane, granted, but potentially deadly if I hadn't reacted accordingly.

I'm pretty certain I would follow the rules laid out pre-flight by every airline in this scenario, and I'd expect every other passenger to do so too.

by incontinentia Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:17 pm

I think there is a lot of over-reaction and fake outrage around this. Obviously the flames weren't dancing around them, no-one was even injured. The pictures of the burning aircraft were taken well after everyone evacuated, so it looks a lot worse than what the passengers experienced. I don't see the big deal in grabbing some personal possessions on your way out.

by MustPuttBetter Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:19 pm

McLaren wrote:MPB

I really can't see where you address it. Please explain.

No Mac, you can read I'm sure

Anyway, whoever said "no-one really knows how they would react in a situation like this" - what they're saying is, and what you're saying is "I don't really know how I would react in a situation like this"

It is an impossibility for that person to know that no-one really knows how they would react in a situation like this.

You shouldn't believe everything everyone tells you Mac

by MustPuttBetter Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:20 pm

incontinentia wrote:I think there is a lot of over-reaction and fake outrage around this. Obviously the flames weren't dancing around them, no-one was even injured. The pictures of the burning aircraft were taken well after everyone evacuated, so it looks a lot worse than what the passengers experienced. I don't see the big deal in grabbing some personal possessions on your way out.

Wow, on board were we? picard

by super_realist Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:26 pm

Given that everyone ought to know that fuel tanks are located all throughout the wings and lower fuselage, and that fuel lines connect them to the burning engine I'd think it was logical to want to get off as soon as possible.

If you are driving along and smoke starts piling out of your car engine, you don't keep going because it's not on fire yet, you stop and get the hell out. Why wouldn't you on a plane?

Nobody has fake outrage here, we are simply pointing out how retarded some of these passengers are (one with a bag so big it should have been in the hold) in holding up passengers by going into the overhead luggage.

Don't mind a small bag that was under the seat as presumably you had to wait to get out into the aisle, or even an ipad if you're using it at the time, but some of the bags simply had to be holding people up, not to mention how they might harm someone in front on the slide.

by McLaren Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:28 pm

MustPuttBetter wrote:
incontinentia wrote:I think there is a lot of over-reaction and fake outrage around this. Obviously the flames weren't dancing around them, no-one was even injured. The pictures of the burning aircraft were taken well after everyone evacuated, so it looks a lot worse than what the passengers experienced. I don't see the big deal in grabbing some personal possessions on your way out.

Wow, on board were we? :picard:

But MPB you were not on board either and claim to know with 100% certainty that you wouldn't pick up luggage and that you "would possibly be waiting" for anyone who did collect belongings on the way out.

How come you are able to know what would happen on board and inco isn't?

Wow, on board were we? :picard:

by MustPuttBetter Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:31 pm

Exactly what I was about to write Super, almost word for word.

I love the "Obviously the flames weren't dancing around them" part. Because of course you're not really in any danger until they are.....

Lucky you weren't in the twin towers in Sept 2001 Inco -

"Look, chill out, keep working, the flames are still two floors up, we'll leave in a bit"

by MustPuttBetter Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:32 pm

Correct Mac
I'm not saying Inco doesn't know how he will react.
I accept you've no idea you know how you will react.

Understand?

by McLaren Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:38 pm

Super

" I've been in a couple of very dangerous situations where I didn't behave like a moron"

Sounds interesting, are you able to share more about these tales?

by super_realist Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:41 pm

Very close calls with avalanches Mac on two occasions.
Fortunately, unlike these passengers, I'd considered how I might behave in these situations and how to react.

by McLaren Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:45 pm

Oh super, would you please expand, they sound like wonderful tales of peril and human fortitude at its finest. I love nothing more than to hear about a mans bravery.

by super_realist Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:05 pm

Mac, simply because the biggest risk to your life is your bus going under a bridge that is too low, is no reason to belittle someone who has been in much more risky situations.

by incontinentia Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:06 pm

super_realist wrote:Given that everyone ought to know that fuel tanks are located all throughout the wings and lower fuselage, and that fuel lines connect them to the burning engine I'd think it was logical to want to get off as soon as possible.

I missed the part where the plane blew up, or where fire spread to other parts of the plane??. Modern airliners are designed to isolate fires and prevent them spreading.

I'm not saying wait til you're on fire, but the fact that no-one was even treated for any injury or smoke inhalation would suggest it wasn't that urgent of a situation. I'm sure they were queuing to slide down the escape chute anyway.

Referred outrage.

by golfermartin Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:11 pm

I read that some passengers were treated for smoke inhalation?

by super_realist Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:11 pm

14 people were taken to hospital with minor injuries.

Are you really saying you would be happy to wait behind somone getting their wheely case down from the overhead storage whilst the engine was smoking away.

I'm sure you'd be sitting in your seat waiting for everyone to exit, content that the luck of the oirish would save you and happy to determine that it was a fault and not an act of sabotage which could circumnavigate plane design.

You'd be keen to get off. It's not a case of how long it took them, it's a case of the sheer stupidity of people gathering their belongings.

by MustPuttBetter Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:16 pm

They were. 14 people taken to hospital with minor injuries.

Of course they knew the plane wasn't going to blow up......

In fairness Inco, you've made a good point in that if standing in a queue anyway I would have no problem with someone reaching up and grabbing some stuff. Still a suitcase seems a bit over the top but a bag or something, if of no consequence to progress re getting out, then fair enough.

If holding people up from getting off the plane though, I don't see how anyone could feel that's not out of order.

Maybe we should give them the benefit of the doubt

by incontinentia Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:32 pm

Super, if you were allowed to bring your jar of sheep entrails through customs I'm sure you would be scrambling for those whilst evacuating.

I really think there are more important things to be getting fussed about, such as the refugee crisis. Would any of you folks house refugees? I'm considering it myself, although Ireland is only taking a pitiful 1,800.

by McLaren Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:40 pm

Inco

The left wing a fuselage were heavily damaged in the fire. You are correct the modern planes should isolate fires but on this occasion the planes fire suppression system failed. This system should pump halon into the engine which is on fire, and block the combustion process.

by MustPuttBetter Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:50 pm

Are you really considering housing someone Inco?
I'm not sure how I feel about this idea, Yvette Cooper and co coming out and saying she could take 3 etc. it's a very kind thing to offer to do.
Not for a second do I think these people shouldn't be helped, I do. But there are plenty of homeless kids in this country. Plenty of starving kids in Africa. How come no one's been clamouring to house them?

by super_realist Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:57 pm

incontinentia wrote:Super, if you were allowed to bring your jar of sheep entrails through customs I'm sure you would be scrambling for those whilst evacuating.

I really think there are more important things to be getting fussed about, such as the refugee crisis. Would any of you folks house refugees? I'm considering it myself, although Ireland is only taking a pitiful 1,800.

Why would a refugee want to move to Ireland?

As for housing them, I can't stand if a friend stays for more than a night.

by MustPuttBetter Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:08 pm

Mac, surely you'll be making room in your bedsit for a Syrian?
The different between a real SJW and a keyboard SJW?

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