IRB World Rankings ... Part 1

First topic message reminder :

Current World Rankings

IRB
http://www.irb.com/rankings/full.html

4Ns Round 1
http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/match/fixtures/international.html

September 2012

Sat 15 Rugby Championship / Freedom Cup
New Zealand v South Africa, Dunedin
19:35 local, 07:35 GMT, 08:35 BST

nzl (on 92.43 points) at home -vs- rsa (on 84.20 points)

If nzl win by 1-15 points 0.000 92.43 84.20 No
If nzl win by more than 15 0.000 92.43 84.20 No
If result is a draw 1.000 91.43 85.20 No
If rsa win by 1-15 points 2.000 90.43 86.20 No
If rsa win by more than 15 3.000 89.43 87.20 No

Sat 15 Rugby Championship
Australia v Argentina, Gold Coast
20:05 local, 10:05 GMT, 11:05 BST

aus (on 86.62 points) at home -vs- arg (on 79.34 points)

If aus win by 1-15 points 0.000 86.62 79.34 No
If aus win by more than 15 0.000 86.62 79.34 No
If result is a draw 1.000 85.62 80.34 No
If arg win by 1-15 points 2.000 84.62 81.34 No
If arg win by more than 15 3.000 83.62 82.34 No

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Original post:

Pretty much World rankings provide both an 'official' balance sheet and P/L account of international bragging rights.

Sources:
IRB Rankings : http://www.irb.com/rankings/index.html
Rankings explanation : http://www.irb.com/rankings/explain/index.html
Rankings archive : http://www.irb.com/rankings/archive/index.html

Online calculator (Courtesy of Robbo277 (thanks)) : http://www.lassen.co.nz/pagmisc.php#hrh

"unfortunately yet again we seem to have a bunch of poor refereeing decisions that happened to fall in Wales' favour."

Yawn.

Scotland slip below Italy to twelfth.

Again unofficially. I may have made an error in the sums.

Morgannwg wrote:"unfortunately yet again we seem to have a bunch of poor refereeing decisions that happened to fall in Wales' favour."

Yawn.

It is getting boring isn't it? I hope there isn't too much fuss in the valleys when the pendulum swings back and Wales go down to a bad call...

We'll all be long gone by then Mitey, this is a young welsh team

Portnoy wrote:Scotland slip below Italy to twelfth.

Again unofficially. I may have made an error in the sums.

Thats slightly ridiculous if so. Theyve outplayed England so far in this tournament

PSW...they lost to England, steady on there mate.

miteyironpaw wrote:PSW...they lost to England, steady on there mate.

true but as we both know england outplayed wales despite losing and are the better side right

stick to facts- scotland dont win many games- simple really - rankings are based on wins and losses not someones opinions on who is better

mite still whinging and making any excuses to make it look better for his poor nation. In all these years of rugby matches england lead us by one game.............what a convincing argument that is. Next year at Cardiff will make it all square that one certainty. 2 more wins and possibly 1 0r 2 in Australia and we can at least make 4th best our position and where we genuinely belong what what

Woodstock wrote:mite still whinging and making any excuses to make it look better for his poor nation. In all these years of rugby matches england lead us by one game.............what a convincing argument that is. Next year at Cardiff will make it all square that one certainty. 2 more wins and possibly 1 0r 2 in Australia and we can at least make 4th best our position and where we genuinely belong what what

What?

Don't worry PJ it is the eternal optimistic ramblings of a welsh fan.


Just read, smile and carry on.

biltongbek wrote:Don't worry PJ it is the eternal optimistic ramblings of a welsh fan.


Just read, smile and carry on.

yeah meat eater

Just to note...Portnoy you have made an error on Scotland score. Theres no way they are losing nearly 2 whole ranking points to take them below Italy for a narrow loss against a side that were 6.4 ( with home weighting) ahead of them.

Scotlands gap with Italy will stay about the same as it was previously.

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:Just to note...Portnoy you have made an error on Scotland score. Theres no way they are losing nearly 2 whole ranking points to take them below Italy for a narrow loss against a side that were 6.4 ( with home weighting) ahead of them.

Scotlands gap with Italy will stay about the same as it was previously.

You are right PSW: garbage in garbage out:


If sco win by 1-15 points 1.640 76.94 83.06 No
If sco win by more than 15 2.460 77.76 82.24 No
If result is a draw 0.640 75.94 84.06 No
If fra win by 1-15 points 0.360 74.94 85.06 No
If fra win by more than 15 0.540 74.76 85.24 No

Don't panic Mr Robinson. The fault was all mine.

Woodstock wrote:In all these years of rugby matches england lead us by one game.............

Ok two points here:

(1) If you admit England lead by one game, then how does that make Wales better? as was the claim in the OP.

(2) The ellipses (...) is a gramatical construct used to indicate deliberate ommission of a word or words, or an unfinished thought. Its composition is a triple dot glyph. I think this might have been what you were searching for, whereas a long string of dots at the end of a sentence is completely meaningless and makes you look like a putz.

miteyironpaw wrote:

Woodstock wrote:In all these years of rugby matches england lead us by one game.............

Ok two points here:

(1) If you admit England lead by one game, then how does that make Wales better? as was the claim in the OP.

(2) The ellipses (...) is a gramatical construct used to indicate deliberate ommission of a word or words, or an unfinished thought. Its composition is a triple dot glyph. I think this might have been what you were searching for, whereas a long string of dots at the end of a sentence is completely meaningless and makes you look like a putz.

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

Portnoy wrote:Scotland slip below Italy to twelfth.

Again unofficially. I may have made an error in the sums.

Thats slightly ridiculous if so. Theyve outplayed England so far in this tournament

Unfortunately Portnoy is spot on. Another stick (and quite a big, spikey one) for Scots fans to beat Robinson with.

6th in the world in 2009, 12th in the world now.

Not good enough. I don't give a stuff about the 'player numbers' excuse either.

We have the infrastructure to train our few players better than most countries but not the systems.

they are not 12th.

england have won 2 games, and lost 1 game

scotland have lost two games

that is anything but spot on!

mystiroakey wrote:they are not 12th.

england have won 2 games, and lost 1 game

scotland have lost twothree games

that is anything but spot on!

Fixed that for you, no charge

biltongbek wrote:

miteyironpaw wrote:

Woodstock wrote:In all these years of rugby matches england lead us by one game.............

Ok two points here:

(1) If you admit England lead by one game, then how does that make Wales better? as was the claim in the OP.

(2) The ellipses (...) is a gramatical construct used to indicate deliberate ommission of a word or words, or an unfinished thought. Its composition is a triple dot glyph. I think this might have been what you were searching for, whereas a long string of dots at the end of a sentence is completely meaningless and makes you look like a putz.

We don't have sour grapes when we lose.

Some of the games took place ... oh years ago, before your wendy ball team won the world cup in 1966 (stiffles laughter).

We are the better team now, 2 wins on the trot against england one home one away, next stop 2013 and Cardiff and that'll be 3-0.

I know you are angry and hitting your keyboard but try and calm down and focus. Picking me up for ........ hardly touches the surface

Woodstock - Biltons anglo streak and devotion is quite strong so give him a little room for recovery here -

RubyGuby wrote:Woodstock - Biltons anglo streak and devotion is quite strong so give him a little room for recovery here -

For the archive:

6Ns round 3:

Sat 25th Feb 12
13:30 Ireland v Italy Aviva Stadium
16:00 England v Wales Twickenham

Sun 26th Feb 12
15:00 Scotland v France Murrayfield


Current standings:

1(1) NEW ZEALAND 91.43
2(2) AUSTRALIA 87.99
3(3) FRANCE 84.70
4(4) SOUTH AFRICA 84.34
5(5) ENGLAND 82.81
6(6) WALES 81.15
7(7) ARGENTINA 80.28
8(8) IRELAND 79.25
9(9) TONGA 76.63
10(10) SAMOA 75.81
11(11) SCOTLAND 75.30
12(12) ITALY 73.53
13(13) CANADA 72.92

Possible outcomes:

ire (on 79.25 points) at home -vs- ita (on 73.53 points)
Poss Outcome /Rating Point Exchange /New 'home' Rating /New 'away' Rating / Will 'home' overtake 'away'?

If ire win by 1-15 points 0.128 79.38 73.40 No
If ire win by more than 15 0.192 79.44 73.34 No
If result is a draw 0.872 78.38 74.40 No
If ita win by 1-15 points 1.872 77.38 75.40 No
If ita win by more than 15 2.808 76.44 76.34 No

eng (on 82.81 points) at home -vs- wal(on 79.25 points)
Poss Outcome /Rating Point Exchange /New 'home' Rating /New 'away' Rating / Will 'home' overtake 'away'?

If eng win by 1-15 points 0.534 83.34 80.62 No
If eng win by more than 15 0.801 83.61 80.35 No
If result is a draw 0.466 82.34 81.62 No
If wal win by 1-15 points 1.466 81.34 82.62 Yes
If wal win by more than 15 2.199 80.61 83.35 Yes

sco (on 75.30 points) at home -vs- fra (on 84.70 points)
Poss Outcome /Rating Point Exchange /New 'home' Rating /New 'away' Rating / Will 'home' overtake 'away'?

[ed - corrected original from false data input by Portnoy]

If sco win by 1-15 points 1.640 76.94 83.06 No
If sco win by more than 15 2.460 77.76 82.24 No
If result is a draw 0.640 75.94 84.06 No
If fra win by 1-15 points 0.360 74.94 85.06 No
If fra win by more than 15 0.540 74.76 85.24 No

Next week's (round 2(2)) posted on OP/top of page

Looking at the table the top half looks about right NZ on top, with France, Oz and SA all in the mix for the top 3, then Wales and England are pretty close together so there's little in the score difference.

But then Argies above Ireland might be a bit contenious, and Samoa and Tonga about Scotland and Italy as well - but I suppose those two do play against each other, Tonga and Japan a lot, while Scotland/Italy play against the Top 3 sides and France/England a lot.

That, and when Tonga and Samoa play them they invariably win priest, don't forget that bit...

That was my point Mitey (subtle though it may have been) - Fiji play Samoa and Tonga - who they have a pretty good chance of beating.
Scotland play Oz, SA, France and England - out of them they've only got a decent record of beating England - so obviously Fiji are going to rank higher in the table because Scotland are playing much tougher opposition.

So it's better to be top of division one than bottom of the premiership, so to speak.

Lets put this right

1(1) NEW ZEALAND 91.43
2(2) AUSTRALIA 87.99
3(3) FRANCE 84.70
4(4) SOUTH AFRICA 84.34
5(5) WALES 82.61
6(6) England 81.15

Morgannwg wrote:mitey, don't insult New Zealand rugby. They have far higher ambitions than being above England,

Like getting to a state of financial viability on a par with the Greek banking system for example

dont insult the greek economy peter

Good one guys.
Wish we were more like you.

nganboy wrote:Good one guys.
Wish we were more like you.

Better than Wales who cant buy a world cup

Nieuw Zeeland bought the last one. Venue, draw, refs and all. Now that the IRB have given them that sop, we can all get back to business as usual. In all fairness...

Actually I think you´ll find we bought two World Cups. Why do you think we´re struggling financially? At least though when we do buy a ref, he lets us win. England had bought the ref on the weekend and didn't realise Steve Walsh was always going to run back to the NZRFU with the money. What were you thinking?

Sadly the Rand was too weak, so we couldn't buy our way out of a discount store.

In the spirit of fairplay and equality:

Well Martin Johnson treated SANZAR as a discount store to buy a 6 nations.

He went in and payed for the GS though, even got Nike to sponsor it...

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

Morgannwg wrote:mitey, don't insult New Zealand rugby. They have far higher ambitions than being above England,

Like getting to a state of financial viability on a par with the Greek banking system for example

mystiroakey wrote:dont insult the greek economy peter

Very funny, for once. Well done.

thebluesmancometh wrote:He went in and payed for the GS though, even got Nike to sponsor it...

Thats what you get for trying to finance the deal through the Ireland

Now that England are behind Wales, does anyone else think that this thread should be made un-sticky?

What - with two series of games against SH sides to play this year?

You must be mad mitey

miteyironpaw wrote:Now that England are behind Wales, does anyone else think that this thread should be made un-sticky?

you will now not get rid of this sticky even if you get your blonde secretary to tippex it out on the monitor screen

biltongbek wrote:

miteyironpaw wrote:Now that England are behind Wales, does anyone else think that this thread should be made un-sticky?

you will now not get rid of this sticky even if you get your blonde secretary to tippex it out on the monitor screen

Actually, as a New Zealander, I'm quite happy leaving this as a sticky

Whaappuup Kiwi, I haven't seen you around this week, don't tell me you were actually working.

PERHAPS the sticky IRB rankings thread should be un-stickied and replaced by a leaderboard of countries participating in RWC finals.

England - 3
NZ - 3
France - 3
Australia - 3
South Africa - 2

Everyone else including Wales - 0

I would prefer it to be by way of cups won and success percentage.

1. SA - 2 - 40%
2. NZ, OZ - 2 - 29%
4. England - 1 - 14%

Then finals.

5. France - 3.

Well if that's what you need to get over last Saturday's result, Mitey...

I think living in the here and now is a reflection of where each respective country is and probably the most mature way to look at these matters

Tri and 6 nations sides in aplahbetical order ?

Australia
England
Everyone else
Wales

I can live with that system.