IRB World Rankings ... Part 1

First topic message reminder :

Current World Rankings

IRB
http://www.irb.com/rankings/full.html

4Ns Round 1
http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/match/fixtures/international.html

September 2012

Sat 15 Rugby Championship / Freedom Cup
New Zealand v South Africa, Dunedin
19:35 local, 07:35 GMT, 08:35 BST

nzl (on 92.43 points) at home -vs- rsa (on 84.20 points)

If nzl win by 1-15 points 0.000 92.43 84.20 No
If nzl win by more than 15 0.000 92.43 84.20 No
If result is a draw 1.000 91.43 85.20 No
If rsa win by 1-15 points 2.000 90.43 86.20 No
If rsa win by more than 15 3.000 89.43 87.20 No

Sat 15 Rugby Championship
Australia v Argentina, Gold Coast
20:05 local, 10:05 GMT, 11:05 BST

aus (on 86.62 points) at home -vs- arg (on 79.34 points)

If aus win by 1-15 points 0.000 86.62 79.34 No
If aus win by more than 15 0.000 86.62 79.34 No
If result is a draw 1.000 85.62 80.34 No
If arg win by 1-15 points 2.000 84.62 81.34 No
If arg win by more than 15 3.000 83.62 82.34 No

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Original post:

Pretty much World rankings provide both an 'official' balance sheet and P/L account of international bragging rights.

Sources:
IRB Rankings : http://www.irb.com/rankings/index.html
Rankings explanation : http://www.irb.com/rankings/explain/index.html
Rankings archive : http://www.irb.com/rankings/archive/index.html

Online calculator (Courtesy of Robbo277 (thanks)) : http://www.lassen.co.nz/pagmisc.php#hrh

That's fine Pete, as long as it is called the list in alphabetical order.

biltongbek wrote:Whaappuup Kiwi, I haven't seen you around this week, don't tell me you were actually working.

Sad but true Biltong. I've moved into a new team at work.

WAIT!?!?!? If Ireland win by 15 then England will be relegated another place, and Wales promoted!?!?!?!?!

ALLEZ LE BLEU! ALLEZ LE BLEU! ALLEZ LE BLEU! ALLEZ LE BLEU! ALLEZ LE BLEU! ALLEZ LE BLEU! ALLEZ LE BLEU!

ALLONS ENFANTS DE LA PATRIE! LE JOUR DE GLORIE EST ARRIV! CONTRE NOUS DE LA TYRANNIE!

miteyironpaw wrote:WAIT!?!?!? If Ireland win by 15 then England will be relegated another place, and Wales promoted!?!?!?!?!

ALLEZ LE BLEU! ALLEZ LE BLEU! ALLEZ LE BLEU! ALLEZ LE BLEU! ALLEZ LE BLEU! ALLEZ LE BLEU! ALLEZ LE BLEU!

ALLONS ENFANTS DE LA PATRIE! LE JOUR DE GLORIE EST ARRIV! CONTRE NOUS DE LA TYRANNIE!

IRELAND! IRELAND! Forever standing tall...

wales606 wrote:IRELAND! IRELAND! Forever standing tall...

How does the rest of it go?

wales606 wrote:

miteyironpaw wrote:WAIT!?!?!? If Ireland win by 15 then England will be relegated another place, and Wales promoted!?!?!?!?!

ALLEZ LE BLEU! ALLEZ LE BLEU! ALLEZ LE BLEU! ALLEZ LE BLEU! ALLEZ LE BLEU! ALLEZ LE BLEU! ALLEZ LE BLEU!

ALLONS ENFANTS DE LA PATRIE! LE JOUR DE GLORIE EST ARRIV! CONTRE NOUS DE LA TYRANNIE!

IRELAND! IRELAND! Forever standing tall...

..if it wasn't for BOD's shoulder, they'd answer Ireland's call?

luckless_pedestrian wrote:

wales606 wrote:IRELAND! IRELAND! Forever standing tall...

How does the rest of it go?

Well, if it went on Irish steriotypesit would be

Ireland, Ireland, forever falling down drunk

or perhaps

Ireland, Ireland, forever standing short

If Ireland win by more than 15 - England go down and Wales go up?

Talk about Ireland being between a rock and hard place! Choices..choices.

I think we should refuse to play under those conditions where even winning is a loss.

Not often that only a single game turns up to affect the top teams:

Here goes:

If fra win by 1-15 points 0.138 85.20 79.30 No:
No positional changes

If fra win by more than 15 0.207 85.27 79.23 No
No positional changes

If result is a draw 0.862 84.20 80.30 No
France slip below SA
Ireland scrape above Argentina by a fag-paperth.

If ire win by 1-15 points 1.862 83.20 81.30 No
France slip below SA
Ireland overtake Argentina.

If ire win by more than 15 2.793 82.27 82.23 No
Ireland hop over Argentina and England into 6th
France tumble down to 5th thus promoting both Wales and SA one place.

If result is a draw 0.862 84.20 80.30 No
France slip below SA
Ireland scrape above Argentina by a fag-paperth.

If ire win by 1-15 points 1.862 83.20 81.30 No
France slip below SA
Ireland overtake Argentina.


IRELAND, IRELAND, ALWAYS STANDING TALL
IRELAND, IRELAND, RUN THAT F....BALL.

Unlikely to happen Biltong, you do know the referee for the game is Bryce Lawrence, right?

miteyironpaw wrote:Unlikely to happen Biltong, you do know the referee for the game is Bryce Lawrence, right?

fortunately for Ireland the world cup is over and Lawrence have already recieved his Referee of the year award.

Clearly the leaderboard should be RWC wins away from home.

Oz 2
SA 1
Eng 1
NZ 0

Any mug can win a World Cup away. It takes skill to win them at home. The pressure is higher.

NZ 2
SA 1

Suppose you're right kia, you did struggle a bit in that final whereas we won our last one fairly easily. (even if it was eons ago)

Nice one.

You hold the last ever 3N trophy. Not happy about that.

And the Super15 trophy after the Crusaders had travelled around the galaxy and didn't get to play the Brumbies and the Rebels.

Our poor old trophy case needed something other than cobwebs. Sure it wasn't as hotly contested as other years but we'll take it.

As for the 'saders not playing the 2 stoogers, well, consider it a blessing in disguise. Sure you would have got the points but you would have come away all the poorer and generally feeling sorry for yourselves having gone through it. Plus, I never heard anyone complain about not having to go to Canberra!

Full Credit wrote:Our poor old trophy case needed something other than cobwebs. Sure it wasn't as hotly contested as other years but we'll take it.

As for the 'saders not playing the 2 stoogers, well, consider it a blessing in disguise. Sure you would have got the points but you would have come away all the poorer and generally feeling sorry for yourselves having gone through it. Plus, I never heard anyone complain about not having to go to Canberra!

Typo by Kia - it was the Rebels and the Cheetahs (I think - whoever the worst Saffa team was) that the Crusaders missed.

Though I've been to Canberra. Twice. And I complained lots both times

Haha, indeed.

But those wins would´ve seen us with home advantage and we could´ve had the game in London and I could´ve made the trip over to see it from Madrid.

Typical AB supporter I´m afraid. Never satisfied. Always wanting more.

Actually not a typo Kiwi. I just thought of the two worst franchises and forgot about the Cheetahs.

I too have been to Canberra and I will say one thing about it I didn´t complain about when I was there: driving out of it.

Canberra is the land that time forgot. I got the call-up to a mates wedding a few years ago in Canberra and after trying valiantly to talk him out of it had to relent and make the trip down. That 48 hours dragged on forever.

France down Ireland up.

No doubt both Wales and Ireland will be delighted...

1(1) NEW ZEALAND 91.43
2(2) AUSTRALIA 87.99
3(3) FRANCE 85.06
4(4) SOUTH AFRICA 84.34
5(6) WALES 82.62
6(5) ENGLAND 81.34
7(7) ARGENTINA 80.28
8(8) IRELAND 79.44
9(9) TONGA 76.63
10(10) SAMOA 75.81
11(11) SCOTLAND 74.94
12(12) ITALY 73.33
13(13) CANADA 72.92

Possible outcomes:

fra (on 85.06 points) at home -vs- ire (on 79.44 points)
Poss Outcome /Rating Point Exchange /New 'home' Rating /New 'away' Rating / Will 'winner' overtake 'loser'?

If fra win by 1-15 points 0.138 85.20 79.30 No
If fra win by more than 15 0.207 85.27 79.23 No
If result is a draw 0.862 84.20 80.30 No
If ire win by 1-15 points 1.862 83.20 81.30 No
If ire win by more than 15 2.793 82.27 82.23 No

Wales are 4th - Woop

Can we skip forward 8 months now?

No. SA up one, France down one. Just a nearer target for Wales.

Use your brain 606.

Portnoy wrote:No. SA up one, France down one. Just a nearer target for Wales.

Use your brain 606.

My bad, I read the "away rating"

Portnoy wrote:No. SA up one, France down one. Just a nearer target for Wales.

Use your brain 606.

The target does not move just the names on it change.

Hasn't it just got closer by 0.14 ranking points?

Unless you mean beating France and Australia is the real target, in which case fairy snuff.

PJHolybloke wrote:Hasn't it just got closer by 0.14 ranking points?

Unless you mean beating France and Australia is the real target, in which case fairy snuff.

..and when that happens I am sure there will be the usual whinging english man waiting to say how lucky we were, it's great stuff.

And the usual Welshman saying how meaningless the rankings are right?

For the archive:

6Ns round 2 (part 2):

Sun 4th Mar 12
15:00 France v Ireland Stade de France

Current standings:

1(1) NEW ZEALAND 91.43
2(2) AUSTRALIA 87.99
3(3) FRANCE 85.06
4(4) SOUTH AFRICA 84.34
5(6) WALES 82.62
6(5) ENGLAND 81.34
7(7) ARGENTINA 80.28
8(8) IRELAND 79.44
9(9) TONGA 76.63
10(10) SAMOA 75.81
11(11) SCOTLAND 74.94
12(12) ITALY 73.33
13(13) CANADA 72.92

Possible outcomes:

fra (on 85.06 points) at home -vs- ire (on 79.44 points)
Poss Outcome /Rating Point Exchange /New 'home' Rating /New 'away' Rating / Will 'winner' overtake 'loser'?

If fra win by 1-15 points 0.138 85.20 79.30 No
If fra win by more than 15 0.207 85.27 79.23 No
If result is a draw 0.862 84.20 80.30 No
If ire win by 1-15 points 1.862 83.20 81.30 No
If ire win by more than 15 2.793 82.27 82.23 No

A draw means YES as Ireland will have 80.30 and Argentina 80.28 - every little helps

New software calculations posted in OP/top of page.

The Welsh won't like it...

So the calculations (impressive as ever) mean that no matter what combinations happen next week Wales can't get to 4th - ahh apologies if England win by less than 15 and we beat Italy then we'll sneak it by 0.01.

But regardless I don't think it'll matter as we're not the best in the NH unless we beat both Italy and France.

When does the rankings count towards the WC seedings, is it mid 2013?

And does Lions games get ranked (for the SH side?)

Smirnoffpriest wrote:So the calculations (impressive as ever) mean that no matter what combinations happen next week Wales can't get to 4th - ahh apologies if England win by less than 15 and we beat Italy then we'll sneak it by 0.01.

But regardless I don't think it'll matter as we're not the best in the NH unless we beat both Italy and France.

When does the rankings count towards the WC seedings, is it mid 2013?

And does Lions games get ranked (for the SH side?)

RWC 2015 draw is in November I think.

is the host a top seed

mystiroakey wrote:is the host a top seed

No.

england better start winning dem!!

mystiroakey wrote:is the host a top seed

No it's England

The Kiwi seed is highly rated internationally. God said, go forth from Godzone and spread your seed. And many Kiwis on their OE or their permanent residence abroad did just that. I'm just practising at the moment. Good things come to those who wait...

I don't know about that Kia but as with Wales you tend to reep what you sow - Here's a picture of the England garden for you

I thought it rained a lot in england?

biltongbek wrote:I thought it rained a lot in england?

The Welsh wouldn't rightly know about that...they have a roof.

Ruby.

If both Wales and England win at the weekend, who'll get the bragging rights in the Wrankings table?

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:The Kiwi seed is highly rated internationally. God said, go forth from Godzone and spread your seed. And many Kiwis on their OE or their permanent residence abroad did just that. I'm just practising at the moment. Good things come to those who wait...

Do you call it practicing now? in my youth it rhymed more with planking.

So, as i have absolutely no clue about the ranking system and have no real interest in figuring it out. Did Ireland move ahead of Argentina into 7th after the draw with France?

eirebilly wrote:So, as i have absolutely no clue about the ranking system and have no real interest in figuring it out. Did Ireland move ahead of Argentina into 7th after the draw with France?

Yes.

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:The Kiwi seed is highly rated internationally. God said, go forth from Godzone and spread your seed. And many Kiwis on their OE or their permanent residence abroad did just that. I'm just practising at the moment. Good things come to those who wait...

Remember that the Kiwi mans seed is one of the poorest seed counts in the world, thank goodness for the few Welsh in NZ keep the local ladies happy

Good stuff, Ireland on the march

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

eirebilly wrote:So, as i have absolutely no clue about the ranking system and have no real interest in figuring it out. Did Ireland move ahead of Argentina into 7th after the draw with France?

Yes.

By the width of two gnats' nudgers.

Woodstock wrote:

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:The Kiwi seed is highly rated internationally. God said, go forth from Godzone and spread your seed. And many Kiwis on their OE or their permanent residence abroad did just that. I'm just practising at the moment. Good things come to those who wait...

Remember that the Kiwi mans seed is one of the poorest seed counts in the world, thank goodness for the few Welsh in NZ keep the local ladies happy

Im sure I read on the internet that Wales has largest number of men requesting enlargement surgery in the UK, but im not goign to google that at work.

Portnoy wrote:Ruby.

If both Wales and England win at the weekend, who'll get the bragging rights in the Wrankings table?

And if Italy win they go above Samoa - Happy days eh!