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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 8:46

(without mentioning Kevin Pietersen)

Andre Russell is potentialy a better player than Keiron Pollard


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Post by Duty281 Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 8:58

Tendulkar is overrated and just a flat-track bully. When he plays on swinging or seaming wickets (England) he can't bat for toffee.

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Post by Biltong Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 9:03

Don Bradman is the biggest hype, never played in SA, India, Pakistan etc.
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Post by JDizzle Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 9:03

Flintoff is overrated. Not on the same level, or anywhere near Ian Botham.

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Post by Biltong Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 9:11

Dale Steyn can't swing a boomerang.
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Post by Hoggy_Bear Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 9:12

Murali was a chucker who should be expunged from the record books.
Warne was a drugs cheat and wasn't even the best Ozzie spinner ever.

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Post by rich1uk Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 9:13

Saeed Ajmal bowls his doosra legally

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Post by GG Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 9:16

Asif and Amir were framed by the BCCI to ensure Pakistani cricket never took over India.

Gregers is actually Peter Moores.

Anderson can only bowl in swinging conditions and is useless in the subcont.

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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 9:17

rich1uk wrote:Saeed Ajmal bowls his doosra legally
biltongbek wrote:Dale Steyn can't swing a boomerang.

I meant things you belived to be vaguely true

JDizzle wrote:Flintoff is overrated. Not on the same level, or anywhere near Ian Botham.

I wouldnt call that controversial at all, is there anyone who doesnt think that aside form TV execs?

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Post by JDizzle Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 9:20

I think most ordinary people would think Flintoff was England's answer to Sir Viv, or a Garry Sobers. It is only proper cricket fans who realise that he was decidedly average in the grand scheme of things.

I agree with Graeme Swann and I hope 50 Over cricket dies a death and is replaced by 40 over games or more T20's.

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Post by Beer Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 9:22

Mitchell Johnson is gash.

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Post by guildfordbat Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 9:23

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler is so cutting he should be compelled to provide sticking plasters before posting.

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Post by JDizzle Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 9:27

King Beer wrote:Mitchell Johnson is gash.

How many people have to agree with it before it isn't controversial? Because I am 100% behind this.

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Post by Galted Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 9:36

Poor people should be used for experiments.

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Post by Beer Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 9:41

Shane Warne was an over-rated, fat, egotistical muppet.

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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 9:43

JDizzle wrote:I think most ordinary people would think Flintoff was England's answer to Sir Viv, or a Garry Sobers. It is only proper cricket fans who realise that he was decidedly average in the grand scheme of things.

Ok yep thats very true.

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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 9:43

King Beer wrote:Shane Warne was is an over-rated a fat, egotistical muppet.

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Post by Fists of Fury Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 9:47

Bit harsh there JD, Fred's batting was over-rated by many but his bowling was top drawer.

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Post by Hoggy_Bear Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 9:50

Galted wrote:Poor people should be used for experiments.

Are you Francis Maude?

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Post by Galted Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 9:57

@ Hoggy, just inspired by the teachings of the prophet Clarkson.

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Post by Hoggy_Bear Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 10:16

Galted wrote:@ Hoggy, just inspired by the teachings of the prophet Clarkson.

Yeah.
Should have realised that Francis Maude probably wouldn't see that as a controversial statement at all. Very Happy

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Post by LondonTiger Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 10:32

The barmy army are a bunch of ignorant drunks.

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Post by LondonTiger Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 10:33

The BCCI want to ban test cricket and copywrite T20 cricket.

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Post by Biltong Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 10:35

modern cricket fans have the attention span of a mosquito, hence T20 being so popular.
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Post by Fists of Fury Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 10:38

Virender Sehwag is confirming his status as a flat track bully as he nears a rapid ton on this useless, lifeless disgrace of a pitch in the 4th ODI.

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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 10:40

England were right to drop Hoggard and didnt mistreat him

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Post by indianfan Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 10:47

Michael vaughan is a rubbish cricket expert, poor ODI player, decent test player (if not for two exceptional years he would have been average), highly over rated skipper as the ground work was done done by hissain and he got every thing on aplatter

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Post by Fists of Fury Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 10:49

wow, cutting!!

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Post by LondonTiger Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 10:56

If Nasser Hussein was half as good a captain as he thinks he was, he would still be twice as good as he actually was Wink

(Actually that applys to pretty much all the Sky Commentary team)

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Post by indianfan Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 10:57

@tiger

still vaughan's worse thna him!

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Post by Hoggy_Bear Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 10:59

cricketfan wrote:Michael vaughan is a rubbish cricket expert, poor ODI player, decent test player (if not for two exceptional years he would have been average), highly over rated skipper as the ground work was done done by hissain and he got every thing on aplatter

Are you Swamycricketanada in disguise?

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Post by Beer Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 10:59

England haven't a hope in hells chance of winning the World Cup until they do away with this belief that 80% of players who play test cricket can make the transition to the shorter format.

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Post by Gregers Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 10:59

Pro40 is far better than 50 over cricket

I prefer watching t20 to tests now

Pakistan are the best one day side in the world

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Post by Beer Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 11:02

Pakistan shouldn't be allowed to participate in any form of the game until a full and independant review of the PCB and their players is completed and they can be signed of as being free from cheats, liars and swindlers.

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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 11:11

Excuses for the knee injuries aside I dont think youre too far from the mark on Vaughn. Its the sort of opinion youre not suppossed to hold but I think quite valid. He had some glorious shots but really struggled to turn that into an effective game for most of his career, and his insitance on captaining all the sides became farcical.

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Post by indianfan Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 11:42

@hoggy
i donno who that swammy is but im not swammy lol

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Post by Mike Selig Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 11:42

Eoin Morgan is the most talented batsman of all time.

Every team should have to qualify for the world cup.

The name "test match" should be abolished and replaced by what we actually mean.

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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 11:47

Ireland dont deserve test staus on current playing ability and results Whistle

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Post by Beer Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 11:50

He was still tactically one of the best England Captains we have ever had.

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Post by Mike Selig Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 11:54

"test status" should be abolished and replaced by exactly what we mean...

I think we'll stop there. the Morgan one was genuine though...

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Post by JDizzle Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 11:55

Fists of Fury wrote:Bit harsh there JD, Fred's batting was over-rated by many but his bowling was top drawer.

Admittedly he could be unplayable on his day, but he did only take three 5 wicket hauls in Tests and his average isn't particularly impressive (nearlyt 33). I think this image that he was such a talismanic figure is based on the series in 05. Admittedly he gave Jacques Kallis kittens when the Saffers were over here, but that is about it. And he wasn't a very talismanic leader in Aus in 06/07 or when he was in a pedalo in the World Cup. But will concede that his bowling could be top drawer on it's day.

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Post by Pal Joey Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 11:55

McGrath trod on that ball on purpose at Edgbaston. England cricket was in dire need of a lift way back in 2005... Smile

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Post by Beer Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 11:58

JDizzle wrote:
Fists of Fury wrote:Bit harsh there JD, Fred's batting was over-rated by many but his bowling was top drawer.

Admittedly he could be unplayable on his day, but he did only take three 5 wicket hauls in Tests and his average isn't particularly impressive (nearlyt 33). I think this image that he was such a talismanic figure is based on the series in 05. Admittedly he gave Jacques Kallis kittens when the Saffers were over here, but that is about it. And he wasn't a very talismanic leader in Aus in 06/07 or when he was in a pedalo in the World Cup. But will concede that his bowling could be top drawer on it's day.

Freddie was more about the aura he brought to the side and the influence he had on the crowd. When 90% of the crowd are beer lovers who enjoy their banter, having someone of similar ilk representing you in a team lifts you.

Imagine a crowd full of Alastair Cook replicas?! Shocked

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Post by Biltong Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 11:58

Hansie Cronje wasn't greedy, just incredibly stupid.
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Post by JDizzle Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 12:01

King Beer wrote:
JDizzle wrote:
Fists of Fury wrote:Bit harsh there JD, Fred's batting was over-rated by many but his bowling was top drawer.

Admittedly he could be unplayable on his day, but he did only take three 5 wicket hauls in Tests and his average isn't particularly impressive (nearlyt 33). I think this image that he was such a talismanic figure is based on the series in 05. Admittedly he gave Jacques Kallis kittens when the Saffers were over here, but that is about it. And he wasn't a very talismanic leader in Aus in 06/07 or when he was in a pedalo in the World Cup. But will concede that his bowling could be top drawer on it's day.

Freddie was more about the aura he brought to the side and the influence he had on the crowd. When 90% of the crowd are beer lovers who enjoy their banter, having someone of similar ilk representing you in a team lifts you.

Imagine a crowd full of Alastair Cook replicas?! Shocked

There's no denying the effect he had on the ground. He did get them into the game more. But I'd rather he has a positive effect on his teammates than the crowd.

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Post by guildfordbat Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 12:01

Fists should be concentrating on his Defence of Lancelot Richard Gibbs and not be on this thread!

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Post by Mike Selig Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 12:39

Actually here's one which no one else has picked up on:

Pollard blatantly chucks his slower ball. I've thought this ever since I saw him "bowl" it against Aus a few years ago.

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Post by Luke Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 13:43

We'd still have been a top test side if Peter Moores was Coach.

Headingley, Edgebastion and Old Trafford are the best cricket grounds in England. And should always get a test every summer.

Monty Panesaar was average at best.
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Post by Mad for Chelsea Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 13:57

the best cricket pitch in the world is the SCG. Nips around on day 1, nice for batting on days 2 and 3, then turn on the last two days.

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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Thu 8 Dec 2011 - 14:00

biltongbek wrote:Hansie Cronje wasn't greedy, justbut incredibly stupid.
...unlucky to get caught

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