England vs Wales Match thread

[Adam D]

First topic message reminder :

Use this thread during the game to discuss the incidents whilst they happen.

[Rava]

just gonna take the positve from that game- we didnt win but we played well,

Great attitude mate. Plenty of positives as well. You are slowly getting there. I think it will take another season though but the seeds are being sown.

[Gibson]

Carpe,
Wine and V2 are my problem. I switched to now. Much safer. For everyone.

[Shifty]

Walsh was poor but wrong and right decision went to either side. Overall classic Six Nations but obviously disappointed as an England fan!

He's not rubbish, but he is going to referee the game like he referee's a Super 15 game, and he won't ping teams for the hell of it, a lot of New Zealand referees let a lot of things go, and he did today.

Though Wales do often get Walsh which meant we knew how to work him.

[nathan]

Niwatts, could not agree more. Youngs and Lawes were both shoite. Effin' brilliant game though, could have gone either way. Well done Wales. On a side point, first game on red wine, less loo breaks but a bit pony. Discuss?

PS would love to see Wales do the slam now. Excellent team!

Jack Daniels!

[Cymroglan]

just gonna take the positve from that game- we didnt win but we played well,

You played very well but should have taken advantage when Wales were down to 14.
Priestland's decision making was poor today and also the Welsh side seemed to take too many risks in our own 22.

As a huge Lions fan I'm encouraged by the amount of quality youngsters being produced by the British and Irish sides.

[Rava]

Niwatts, could not agree more. Youngs and Lawes were both shoite. Effin' brilliant game though, could have gone either way. Well done Wales. On a side point, first game on red wine, less loo breaks but a bit pony. Discuss?

PS would love to see Wales do the slam now. Excellent team!

Red wine rocks

[ChequeredJersey]

So much anger at Lawes... We were probably the better team IMO but not by much. Should have put away chances earlier in the game. Try was debatable but the ref should have gone back for the penalty advantage. Oh well. Played well, our backs were more impressive than Wales' and we were surprisingly close at the breakdown. Got to learn to take our chances better though. Need to calm down...

[Adam D]

RED Wine - thats why Wales won! If it had been White wine, the result may have been different!

[majesticimperialman]

Well what a scrappy game that was, Wales came out the winners, but in all fairnest to England they gave it their best shot and appart from that turnover Wales never looked like they was going to score a try.

But well played Wales.

[nathan]

So much anger at Lawes... We were probably the better team IMO but not by much. Should have put away chances earlier in the game. Try was debatable but the ref should have gone back for the penalty advantage. Oh well. Played well, our backs were more impressive than Wales' and we were surprisingly close at the breakdown. Got to learn to take our chances better though. Need to calm down...

to be fair to lawes all players have the odd error now and again.

[hawalsh]

Well done on the Triple Crown Wales.

Big improvement in style of rugby from England, but they really should have won that. Thrown away. The subs came on far too early, particularly Stevens & Young.

Did Walsh forget he was playing advantage?

[miteyironpaw]

Robbed. Absolutely robbed.

Congratulating Wales but it hurts tO lose to more Poor refereeinI

Robs has should have been in his ears reminding him the advantage

[Shifty]

I will say and not sounding to be gloating but all of Wales 3 games have been classics, we scraped past Ireland and England away from home.

Wales let the other team play rugby and provided the opposition want to play too, the games are very exciting.

Every week so far the best games that have been played have been the ones where Wales have been playing.

[Effervescing Elephant]

I don't even know what pony means. Mods, what did i type that got replaced by pony? or was it mac auto correct?

[HammerofThunor]

I said before the game that I'd be reasonably happy if we played well but expected us to lose...now I'm absolutely gutted about that. At least it was a minor mistake and 'lucky' try that lost the game rather than being totally outplayed (like I thought we would be)

[Artful_Dodger]

On the drink thing - havent been able to touch the stuff since early Jan - hoping another month out and I'll be back on the schwal.

[Shifty]

Did Walsh forget he was playing advantage?

Yes I think he did because the TMO went on for 3 minutes and the TMO did tell him time was up at the incident of scoring the try, so Walsh had no choice but to blow for full time.

[B91212]

I'm not saying that red wine is not a decent tipple in the correct circumstances but whilst watching rugby? Not a particularly manly combination in my opinion. I tend to drink it with certain meals or when I've had that much beer that I'm at the totally bloated to exploding point.

Did you drink it holding your glass with your little finger in the air?

[ChequeredJersey]

So much anger at Lawes... We were probably the better team IMO but not by much. Should have put away chances earlier in the game. Try was debatable but the ref should have gone back for the penalty advantage. Oh well. Played well, our backs were more impressive than Wales' and we were surprisingly close at the breakdown. Got to learn to take our chances better though. Need to calm down...

to be fair to lawes all players have the odd error now and again.

Yes but his cost us the game, so I am angry

[HammerofThunor]

Did Walsh forget he was playing advantage?

Yes I think he did because the TMO went on for 3 minutes and the TMO did tell him time was up at the incident of scoring the try, so Walsh had no choice but to blow for full time.

Penalties are given even after full time.

[Effervescing Elephant]

Farrell did very well. Hooray for Farrell, moving onto home brew ale now for the women's match. Got some single MALT for the second half of that. Night all!!!!

[Shifty]

Did Walsh forget he was playing advantage?

Yes I think he did because the TMO went on for 3 minutes and the TMO did tell him time was up at the incident of scoring the try, so Walsh had no choice but to blow for full time.

Penalties are given even after full time.

Yes I know, but I'm saying I agree I think Walsh forgot he was playing advantage.
I'm not saying he was right.

[Manu's Boxing Coach]

Niwatts, could not agree more. Youngs and Lawes were both shoite. Effin' brilliant game though, could have gone either way. Well done Wales. On a side point, first game on red wine, less loo breaks but a bit pony. Discuss?

PS would love to see Wales do the slam now. Excellent team!

You cant blame Lawes for getting stripped of the ball he had 3 men on him with no support not entirely his fault. Youngs was poor but England were at a lull and needed an increase on tempo and Youngs can do that however he didnt but I dont think that lost us the game as we should have made the yellow card count more and build a greater lead.

[Taylorman]

An exciting game where England once again played conservatively, basing their entire game on defence and on attack provided no creativity- hence no tries.

At least twice England were camped on the welsh line and in one had 5 attempts at one off runs at the line.

The other, with momentum into the welsh 25 some idiot decides to chip kick to the goal line giving an easy mark and escape.

Even at the end the chip to the corner was desperate when running it in had better chances.

Wales deserved the match through resolute defence and continuing to have a go, mix it up, despite priestlands attempts to wreck it all. No idea with his option taking or line kicking. Nearly cost wales single handedly.

Emgland lost because of their inability to convert a smorgasbord of opportunities into a single try.

Despite Tuilagis efforts, no idea in getting over the advantage line. Should have won but wales get the cigar through making the most of little.

Well done Wales. Proved you can mix it with the tight and maintain composure despite lack of ball, sin bins and time running out.

England... same old same old. All the ball...no idea.

[HammerofThunor]

Did Walsh forget he was playing advantage?

Yes I think he did because the TMO went on for 3 minutes and the TMO did tell him time was up at the incident of scoring the try, so Walsh had no choice but to blow for full time.

Penalties are given even after full time.

Yes I know, but I'm saying I agree I think Walsh forgot he was playing advantage.
I'm not saying he was right.

[ChequeredJersey]

Not going back for the penalty was a mistake but he'd probably forgotten whilst the TMO looked at the try, it's understandable. Just really annoying

[Effervescing Elephant]

I'm not saying that red wine is not a decent tipple in the correct circumstances but whilst watching rugby? Not a particularly manly combination in my opinion. I tend to drink it with certain meals or when I've had that much beer that I'm at the totally bloated to exploding point.

Did you drink it holding your glass with your little finger in the air?

Purely a lavatorial consideration. I have a bladder like a peanut so i tend to miss huge chunks of a match. With the red wine i get the same buzz but less wee breaks, it"s all good.

[Shifty]

Great banter in the studio there.

[eirebilly]

I knew that Walsh woul have an influence on the outcome of this match

[Effervescing Elephant]

Niwatts, could not agree more. Youngs and Lawes were both shoite. Effin' brilliant game though, could have gone either way. Well done Wales. On a side point, first game on red wine, less loo breaks but a bit pony. Discuss?

PS would love to see Wales do the slam now. Excellent team!

You cant blame Lawes for getting stripped of the ball he had 3 men on him with no support not entirely his fault. Youngs was poor but England were at a lull and needed an increase on tempo and Youngs can do that however he didnt but I dont think that lost us the game as we should have made the yellow card count more and build a greater lead.

Fair point, i blame the wine. Damn you wine!

[HammerofThunor]

I knew that Walsh woul have an influence on the outcome of this match

I don't think he did really.

[king_carlos]

Walsh was poor but wrong and right decision went to either side. Overall classic Six Nations but obviously disappointed as an England fan!

He's not rubbish, but he is going to referee the game like he referee's a Super 15 game, and he won't ping teams for the hell of it, a lot of New Zealand referees let a lot of things go, and he did today.

Though Wales do often get Walsh which meant we knew how to work him.

Just felt he was poor at the scrum and decisions were mixed at the breakdown.

Wales do get Walsh a lot which is a point I hadn't considered!

[trebellbobaggins]

The bench ruined that for England.

Congratulations to Wales for the win.

I felt tha way. It proved Lancaster right.

The new guys are far better that the rubbish they replaced and some of those not good enoughs proved it here.

[mystiroakey]

personally not gonna use any excuses-not even gonna think about what could have been- i know its very cliched to say its all about the performance- but in this case it is close to being the complete truth.

[nathan]

An exciting game where England once again played conservatively, basing their entire game on defence and on attack provided no creativity- hence no tries.

At least twice England were camped on the welsh line and in one had 5 attempts at one off runs at the line.

The other, with momentum into the welsh 25 some idiot decides to chip kick to the goal line giving an easy mark and escape.

Even at the end the chip to the corner was desperate when running it in had better chances.

Wales deserved the match through resolute defence and continuing to have a go, mix it up, despite priestlands attempts to wreck it all. No idea with his option taking or line kicking. Nearly cost wales single handedly.

Emgland lost because of their inability to convert a smorgasbord of opportunities into a single try.

Despite Tuilagis efforts, no idea in getting over the advantage line. Should have won but wales get the cigar through making the most of little.

Well done Wales. Proved you can mix it with the tight and maintain composure despite lack of ball, sin bins and time running out.

England... same old same old. All the ball...no idea.

i stopped reading after the first paragraph....

[ChequeredJersey]

An exciting game where England once again played conservatively, basing their entire game on defence and on attack provided no creativity- hence no tries.

At least twice England were camped on the welsh line and in one had 5 attempts at one off runs at the line.

The other, with momentum into the welsh 25 some idiot decides to chip kick to the goal line giving an easy mark and escape.

Even at the end the chip to the corner was desperate when running it in had better chances.

Wales deserved the match through resolute defence and continuing to have a go, mix it up, despite priestlands attempts to wreck it all. No idea with his option taking or line kicking. Nearly cost wales single handedly.

Emgland lost because of their inability to convert a smorgasbord of opportunities into a single try.

Despite Tuilagis efforts, no idea in getting over the advantage line. Should have won but wales get the cigar through making the most of little.

Well done Wales. Proved you can mix it with the tight and maintain composure despite lack of ball, sin bins and time running out.

England... same old same old. All the ball...no idea.

Certainly should have scored but I disagree it was for lack of attacking intent. There was plenty of nice handling and yardage made on runs by a lot of players, compared to the Welsh you are praising whose backs looked impotent in this game. The trouble was awful decision making at critical times with ball in hand

[trebellbobaggins]

Taylorman.. Bullsht,

[HammerofThunor]

Well done Wales. Big game has started now so on to the Quins v Gloucester

[mystiroakey]

toaylormans post is so yawwwnnn, did he actually watch the game!!

[niwatts]

So much anger at Lawes... We were probably the better team IMO but not by much. Should have put away chances earlier in the game. Try was debatable but the ref should have gone back for the penalty advantage. Oh well. Played well, our backs were more impressive than Wales' and we were surprisingly close at the breakdown. Got to learn to take our chances better though. Need to calm down...

to be fair to lawes all players have the odd error now and again.

Yes but his cost us the game, so I am angry

I was considerably more angry at Stevens, the man is a penalty machine and needs to be dropped. A fair bit angry at Youngs as well, but I think that's more down to being in no sort of form rather than utter stupidity.

[offload]

Great game. Could have gone either way. Both teams will need to learn from that. Best I've seen fron England for a while and pleased to see Wales have learned how to play with 14.

I thought the Welsh back row were on top as expected but the surprise was how well the England half backs played - definitely outplayed Priestland and Phillips.

[Hood83]

Well done Wales.

England - still can't clear out properly and get quick ball, still desperately need a scrum half who can do the basics of using the very little quick ball our forwards give us. Much better re turnovers but generally committing too few players to the rucks when attacking. Pretty much zip creativity - baffling why Strettle is playing right wing not Ashton etc.

Wales - Playing like England teams of old. Big and strong but offer very little if stopped on the gainline...turns out this is very hard to do for 80 mins. Good composure, think Williams may edge JD2 out in the long run as a more creative midfield player.

[Manu's Boxing Coach]

An exciting game where England once again played conservatively, basing their entire game on defence and on attack provided no creativity- hence no tries.

At least twice England were camped on the welsh line and in one had 5 attempts at one off runs at the line.

The other, with momentum into the welsh 25 some idiot decides to chip kick to the goal line giving an easy mark and escape.

Even at the end the chip to the corner was desperate when running it in had better chances.

Wales deserved the match through resolute defence and continuing to have a go, mix it up, despite priestlands attempts to wreck it all. No idea with his option taking or line kicking. Nearly cost wales single handedly.

Emgland lost because of their inability to convert a smorgasbord of opportunities into a single try.

Despite Tuilagis efforts, no idea in getting over the advantage line. Should have won but wales get the cigar through making the most of little.

Well done Wales. Proved you can mix it with the tight and maintain composure despite lack of ball, sin bins and time running out.

England... same old same old. All the ball...no idea.

i stopped reading after the first paragraph....

Unfortunately I didnt......

[Shifty]

Good honest assessment from Gatland there at least he explained why he didn't take Priestland off.

[king_carlos]

We were playing a very talented Welsh side that's just reached a world cup semi and stopped them playing their game with a sqaud three games into rebuilding from scratch. Not disappointed with the performance from England!

[B91212]

Although I don't think Dickson had his best game, especially being laboured when England were defending but we did seem to loose some continuity when Youngs came on.

Think Tuilagi tired in the second half (understandable after injury) and England suffered a bit as a result. Not having a go at Strettle for the last play (although he should have scored) but he seems a bit clueless whenever he gets the ball, almost like he is not sure what to do. Always looks more confident for Saracens but his place must be in danger. Stevens did his usual, some quality steals and work in the loose but he always seems to get carried away and give away penalties. Thought Cole, Croft & Morgan went well in the forwards and I know Robshaw works very hard but he doesn't seem very effective when carrying. Perhaps its a captain thing as Borthwick used to go backwards once he got the ball and Moody gave up carrying the ball years ago to concentrate on flying around like a loony.

In the backs Farrell did well after a shaky start kicking the ball away too much (I bet fkaSam was screaming at the tv then) and Barritt put in a big defensive shift. Wales defending against Foden was really good and I thought Warbarton was a class apart again, he must be challenging McCaw and Pocock on current form as being the best 7. Can't make my mind up if Halpenny is a better full back or winger - either way he's pure class. Always reminds me of Ben Blair in his style of play when he's at 15, although much better of course.

[Heaf]

Walsh was poor but wrong and right decision went to either side. Overall classic Six Nations but obviously disappointed as an England fan!

He's not rubbish, but he is going to referee the game like he referee's a Super 15 game, and he won't ping teams for the hell of it, a lot of New Zealand referees let a lot of things go, and he did today.

Though Wales do often get Walsh which meant we knew how to work him.

Sorry I disagree Walsh should not be allowed to ref England matches given his history - I'm going to come over as a poor loser but for me Walsh let Wales get away with holding on to the ball (example was the very first first penalty of the game was a pen to England as the player on his feet wasn't tackler yet he penalised England), crooked line-outs, in front of the kicker at most restarts, binding on the arm at the scrums, obvious knock-on in tackle when Wales were down to 14 but ignored and instead led to a Wales penalty instead of an attacking scrum to England ... heard him say he thought it came off his head - really with the ball at waist height? Penalty after penalty at the end but no yellow ...

Good luck to Wales but against all the expectations of many I think England would have won that given a decent ref ... and I know its not fashionable to blame the ref but I'm a bit tired and emotional at the moment only made better by the massive improvement in England's performance.

[ChequeredJersey]

Isn't throwing the ball out a penalty?

Yes, and in this case probably a yellow but in the end it wouldn't have changed much, we should have put the game away long ago

[Rory_Gallagher]

Niwatts, could not agree more. Youngs and Lawes were both shoite. Effin' brilliant game though, could have gone either way. Well done Wales. On a side point, first game on red wine, less loo breaks but a bit pony. Discuss?

PS would love to see Wales do the slam now. Excellent team!

You cant blame Lawes for getting stripped of the ball he had 3 men on him with no support not entirely his fault. Youngs was poor but England were at a lull and needed an increase on tempo and Youngs can do that however he didnt but I dont think that lost us the game as we should have made the yellow card count more and build a greater lead.

He was actually stripped by one man, who then ran on to score. I thought it looked very weak/pathetic by Lawes.

[offload]

Good honest assessment from Gatland there at least he explained why he didn't take Priestland off.

Agreed. I was certain Jones was coming on, but I'm really pleased he left Priestland on as he will be better for it.

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