Springboks vs England, squad announcements and matchday thread.

by **Biltong** Wed 06 Jun 2012, 11:53 am

First topic message reminder :

I will update as more information is released.

Springbok team announced for the first test vs England.

15 Zane Kirchner, caps 14
14 JP Pietersen, caps 42
13 Jean de Villiers (captain), caps 72
12 Frans Steyn, caps 47
11 Bryan Habana, caps 74
10 Morné Steyn, caps 34
9 Francois Hougaard, caps 15
8 Pierre Spies, caps 47
7 Willem Alberts, caps 9
6 Marcell Coetzee, caps 0
5 Juandré Kruger, caps 0
4 Eben Etzebeth, caps 0
3 Jannie du Plessis, caps 30
2 Bismarck du Plessis, caps 42
1 Beast Mtawarira, caps 32

Replacements:
16 Adriaan Strauss, caps 9
17 Coenie Oosthuizen, caps 0
18 Flip van der Merwe, caps 11
19 Keegan Daniel, caps 1
20 Ruan Pienaar, caps 51
21 Pat Lambie, caps 11
22 Wynand Olivier, caps 34

I am surprised and happy to see Eben etzebeth in the starting XV and Strauss on the bench, Meyer has gone for a 4-3 split on the bench which is interesting. The pack has 160 combined caps with 4 debutants, the back line has a combined cap of 302 caps.

I am actually rather impressed with Meyer's selections. The English may see this pack as vulnerable and inexperienced, but I think it is a rather exciting pack. full of mobility and physicality.

England Team:

15 Mike Brown, caps 3
14 Chris Ashton, caps 23
13 Manusamoa Tuilagi, caps 10
12 Brad Barritt, caps 5
11 Ben Foden, caps 26
10 Owen Farrell, caps 5
9 Ben Youngs, caps 17
8 Ben Morgan, caps 5
7 Chris Robshaw (C), caps 6
6 Tom Johnson, 0 caps
5 Geoff Parling, 2 caps
4 Mouritz Botha, 6 caps
3 Dan Cole, 25 caps
2 Dylan Hartley, 34 caps
1 Joe Marler, 0 caps

Replacements:
16 Lee Mears, 38 caps
17 Paul Doran Jones, 3 caps
18 Tom Palmer, 37 caps
19 Phil Dowson, 5 caps
20 Lee Dickson, 0 caps
21 Toby Flood, 46 caps
22 Jonathan Joseph, 0 caps

by wales606 Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:36 pm

Morgannwg wrote:Tuilagi ~~smasher~~ the penalty conceding machine.

Fixed that for you.

by nathan Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:37 pm

Dickson on.... o dear

by wales606 Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:37 pm

doctor_grey wrote:
wales606 wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:I want jonny back............................................

Inverdale?
You want him too!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought that you must be Inverdale if you want Jonny back.

by Rory_Gallagher Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:37 pm

PIENAAR DOWN!!! Shocked

by Rory_Gallagher Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:38 pm

Back on his feet, phew.

by welshy6 Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:38 pm

why is care not on the bench, surely he is a better option than dickson?

by wales606 Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:38 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Back on his feet, phew.

by Hood83 Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:38 pm

...I'm back. Lee Dickson on to slow it all down to a snail's pace...brilliant

by Rory_Gallagher Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:39 pm

wales606 wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:Back on his feet, phew.

I would have had a heart attack, seriously. He is ESSENTIAL for us.

by doctor_grey Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:39 pm

Englamd are tackling too high most of the time. Poor technicque, especially when tackling strong lads.

That was NOT a swinging arm to the head. Skin is exagerating. Candyass.

by captainrapido Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:39 pm

by wales606 Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:40 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:
wales606 wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:Back on his feet, phew.

I would have had a heart attack, seriously. He is ESSENTIAL for us.

Im sure he would be fine for the start of next season though.

Rory heart

Pienaar

by Hood83 Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:40 pm

PDJ, why on earth is he on. Marler didn't look out of puff and PDJ is no loosehead.

by Rory_Gallagher Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:40 pm

And proud of it!

by doctor_grey Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:41 pm

Wjy do I want Steve Walsh to eat at the same restaurant that the All Blacks did back in 1995?

by maestegmafia Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:41 pm

Bok scrum strong as ever... all congratulating each other there...!

by wales606 Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:41 pm

Another fight and Sky are showing us the crowd

boxing

by nathan Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:41 pm

Hood83 wrote:PDJ, why on earth is he on. Marler didn't look out of puff and PDJ is no loosehead.

i think it's more in the loose we need him

by welshy6 Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:42 pm

why cant the IRB clamp down on feeding in the scrums, SH feeding to the blyid 8.
sort it out!
an while they are at it, sort out the breakdown!

by maestegmafia Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:42 pm

Hood83 wrote:PDJ is no loosehead.

He doesnt look much good at all... Lost three scrums in a row there...

by wales606 Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:43 pm

22 - 12

Goodnight

by niwatts Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:44 pm

Congratulations to SA. We kept with them in the 1st half, but they turned it on in the 2nd half and were definitely the better team.

The scrum most certainly needs some work. I want to see Flood start the 2nd test, sharper passing from Youngs and more runners giving him options.

by doctor_grey Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:44 pm

Cigar time for the Boks supporters.

This was tight. Joseph should have been on in the midfield when Barrit went off.

by Hood83 Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:45 pm

Mears and PDJ are awful. Absolutely awful.

Lancaster is as fecking clueless as all the other lumpen headed buffoons we've had over the last decade. Why needed some grunt to beat SA. That meant people like Garvey. Instead, we get a tight five that now includes Mears, PDJ and Palmer. None of which are physical enough.

We're probably not good enough to beat a team like South Africa anyway, but with these sort of selections, we'll never win anything.

by mystiroakey Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:46 pm

well done SA Springboks vs England, squad announcements and matchday thread. - Page 10 1710857839

much better second half from you! and good win

by wales606 Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:47 pm

Flood looks twice the 10 that Farrell is.

by wales606 Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:47 pm

Try for Foden?

by doctor_grey Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:47 pm

niwatts wrote:Congratulations to SA. We kept with them in the 1st half, but they turned it on in the 2nd half and were definitely the better team.

The scrum most certainly needs some work. I want to see Flood start the 2nd test, sharper passing from Youngs and more runners giving him options.

Not so sure the Boks turned it on the the 2nd. But they certainly took advantage of opportunities and England did not.

Agree, though, Flood needs to start the next test. The series is still all to play for.

by **rodders** Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:47 pm

Nice try from England there, they look much better with Flood.

by nathan Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:47 pm

Nice attempted tackle there, straight in with your shoulder.

by doctor_grey Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:48 pm

by Hood83 Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:48 pm

I hate to agree with Barnes, but we do need Flood and Joseph.

by Mad for Chelsea Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:48 pm

it's a very nice try, but why couldn't we play like that a bit earlier?

by mystiroakey Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:49 pm

that try has almost made it harder to take lol

by doctor_grey Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:49 pm

Dickson, Flood, Ashton, Foden at full back.

by Hood83 Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:49 pm

nathan wrote:Nice attempted tackle there, straight in with your shoulder.

Typical Steyn. I've always thought he was a dirty cynical S of a B. Almost every game i see him in I want to see him get a shoeing. Top player though.

by nathan Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:49 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:it's a very nice try, but why couldn't we play like that a bit earlier?

the distribution of Flood, i think we need him at 10

by Barney McGrew did it Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:49 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:it's a very nice try, but why couldn't we play like that a bit earlier?

I know the answer to this .... FLOOD AT 10

I repeat FLOOD TO START AT 10

by welshy6 Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:50 pm

good try by foden,

joseph looked good for the 2 minutes he was on.

maybe a fairer score as it was close throughout, SA just pulling it out towards the end.

england still lack any attacking flair but have a solid defence

by Bullsbok Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:50 pm

Not our prettiest perfomance, rough start , scrappy beginning for Heyneke but we'll take that win SH 3 NH 0 today

by Cymroglan Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:51 pm

Enjoyable game from a neutral perspective, Well done both sides.

by EnglishReign Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:51 pm

Start Flood and Joseph in the next one

by maestegmafia Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:51 pm

22-17

Great game, well done England, played really well.

Bok look good, lots of improvements for both teams. I think England need to reshuffle the team, its not right, no creativity in midfield.

Flood in, maybe look at a different inside centre option... Twelvetrees maybe?

by **Biltong** Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:51 pm

its 3-1 bullsbok, scotland won remember?

by Bullsbok Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:51 pm

Lambie to start next week preferrably at flyhalf .

by welshy6 Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:51 pm

yeh strange to think that the only Nh team to beat the SH 3 would be scotland (no disrespect intended they deserved it)

by doctor_grey Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:51 pm

Was nice and close.
Incredibly physical.
One of the most physical matches I have seen in a long time.

by **rodders** Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:52 pm

Barney McGrew did it wrote:
Mad for Chelsea wrote:it's a very nice try, but why couldn't we play like that a bit earlier?

I know the answer to this .... FLOOD AT 10

I repeat FLOOD TO START AT 10

I agree... England aren't going to outmuscle the Boks on their home turf....when they upped the pace there at the end they showed they could open SA up.

by Bullsbok Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:52 pm

biltongbek wrote:its 3-1 bullsbok, scotland won remember?

Deliberately wrote 3-0 Today

by Duty281 Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:53 pm

Well done South Africa, they deserved it as they were so much better in the second half than us. 22-17, not totally bad for England on this team's first trip to South Africa and we can only get better! Put Flood in for Farrell next Test and put Joesph in for Brown as we need extra pace to counter the Saffers long kicks - something which Brown appears to lack. 1-0, 2 to go and its 3-1 to the SH.

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