Big Premier League Signings II

by The Special Juan Tue Jul 10 2012, 13:10

First topic message reminder :

Here is a list of all the "big movers" to the PL this season. The table contains the player's name, club moved from and to and fee for so we can scrutinise them Wink

Only players who have moved from outside the PL will be included.

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Player	From	To	Fee
Santi Cazorla	Malaga (Spain)	Arsenal	£20.24m
Olivier Giroud	Montpellier (France)	Arsenal	£13.2m
Eden Hazard	Lille (France)	Chelsea	£35.2m
Shinji Kagawa	Borussia Dortmund (Germany)	Man Utd	£13.2m
Marko Marin	Werder Bremen (Germany)	Chelsea	£8.6m
Oscar	Internacional (Brazil)	Chelsea	£26.4m
Lukas Podolski	Cologne (Germany)	Arsenal	£11.4m
Jan Vertonghen	Ajax (Netherlands)	Tottenham	£7.5m
Aswad Thomas	Braintree Town (England)	Grimsby Town	Undisclosed

Any updates would be appreciated.

Other transfers that may/may not be interesting:

Alou Diarra - West Ham
Fabio Borini - Liverpool
Gylfi Sigurdsson - Spurs
Jay Rodriguez - Southampton
Markus Rosenberg - West Brom
Michu - Swansea
Nathaniel Clyne - Southampton
Nick Powell - Manchester United
Robert Snodgrass - Norwich
Romain Amalfitano - Newcastle
Ron Vlaar - Aston Villa
Steven Naismith - Everton

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/premier-league/transferuebersicht/wettbewerb_GB1.html

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue Aug 07 2012, 11:25

You have a very good squad if you can get another couple of defenders in. But your biggest problem in getting a trophy is that mental hurdle, or competiting for a title.

by Smirnoffpriest Tue Aug 07 2012, 11:41

Olly wrote:You have a very good squad if you can get another couple of defenders in. But your biggest problem in getting a trophy is that mental hurdle, or competiting for a title.

Tell me about it, in the last 7 years we could have won a CL (got to final against Barca), 2 Prem titles (been very close but faded away in last 3 months), a League Cup (final against Birmingham), and an FA Cup (got to semi's and put kids out).

It's been so frustrating, so hopefully having a squad with a mix of youngsters and players like Vermaelen (Belgium Captain), Mertesacker (ex-German captain), Arteta, Podolski and RVP (or Carzola) can help inspire the team and give them some metal toughness/steal to perform under pressure.

by GSC Tue Aug 07 2012, 14:47

weejh
Utd blaming 'agents fee's' for pulling out of the Moura deal. They truly are moral custodians of the beautiful game. #Skint #Liers

lol'd

by **Crimey** Wed Aug 08 2012, 16:56

Victor Moses to Chelsea deal is almost done.

Career suicide from his point of view...he'll struggle to get first team football, probably end up like a Steve Sidwell.

Daniel Sturridge must be slightly worried going into this season, I bet he hopes Tottenham's interest becomes serious.

by GSC Wed Aug 08 2012, 16:57

Moses is massively overhyped.

Did nothing for most of the season.

by GSC Wed Aug 08 2012, 16:59

Steven Fletcher handed in a transfer request, interest from PL

by **Crimey** Wed Aug 08 2012, 17:03

Sunderland have already put in two bids, one £10m was rejected, not sure about their £12m bid.

To be honest, I expected him to go for cheaper considering they got relegated. I guess they must be in a fairly good financial position.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed Aug 08 2012, 17:08

Moses dribbles, then has no end product. Dunno why Chelsea are buying him. Although it is bad news for Wigan.

Fletcher is exactly the player Sunderland need

by Ent Wed Aug 08 2012, 17:51

Smirnoffpriest wrote:
Olly wrote:You have a very good squad if you can get another couple of defenders in. But your biggest problem in getting a trophy is that mental hurdle, or competiting for a title.

Tell me about it, in the last 7 years we could have won a CL (got to final against Barca), 2 Prem titles (been very close but faded away in last 3 months), a League Cup (final against Birmingham), and an FA Cup (got to semi's and put kids out).

It's been so frustrating, so hopefully having a squad with a mix of youngsters and players like Vermaelen (Belgium Captain), Mertesacker (ex-German captain), Arteta, Podolski and RVP (or Carzola) can help inspire the team and give them some metal toughness/steal to perform under pressure.

Could have would have should have, united could have won the last 6 epls and 3cls, plus a few fa cups - but they didn't.

by The Special Juan Wed Aug 08 2012, 18:10

I've yet to see anything great from Moses. I'm struggling to see why Chelsea are in or him.

by The Special Juan Wed Aug 08 2012, 18:11

But I bet Wigan will go for Zaha.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed Aug 08 2012, 18:33

BBC Sport ‏@BBCSport
Paris Saint-Germain have agreed a deal to buy Lucas Moura from São Paulo FC.

Another one that doesn't go to United it seems

by The Special Juan Wed Aug 08 2012, 18:40

Was it the Thiago Silva/Leonardo factor?

by compelling and rich Wed Aug 08 2012, 18:40

Olly wrote:BBC Sport ‏@BBCSport
Paris Saint-Germain have agreed a deal to buy Lucas Moura from São Paulo FC.

Another one that doesn't go to United it seems

if he wants to go to psg over united then let him, shows what his ambitions are, i want players who want to play for the club and not just collect thier pay cheque

by GSC Wed Aug 08 2012, 18:41

#neverdoubtGSC

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed Aug 08 2012, 18:42

compelling and rich wrote:
Olly wrote:BBC Sport ‏@BBCSport
Paris Saint-Germain have agreed a deal to buy Lucas Moura from São Paulo FC.

Another one that doesn't go to United it seems

if he wants to go to psg over united then let him, shows what his ambitions are, i want players who want to play for the club and not just collect thier pay cheque

Well at the moment who would you say have the better chance of winning the Champions League at the moment? PSG or Utd? I could make a very good case for the former

by The Special Juan Wed Aug 08 2012, 18:43

Olly wrote:
compelling and rich wrote:
Olly wrote:BBC Sport ‏@BBCSport
Paris Saint-Germain have agreed a deal to buy Lucas Moura from São Paulo FC.

Another one that doesn't go to United it seems

if he wants to go to psg over united then let him, shows what his ambitions are, i want players who want to play for the club and not just collect thier pay cheque

Well at the moment who would you say have the better chance of winning the Champions League at the moment? PSG or Utd? I could make a very good case for the former

Make the case then Smile

by **Crimey** Wed Aug 08 2012, 18:46

---------Ibrahimovic--------

Nene-----Pastore-----Menez

-------Motta------Matuidi-------

Tiene--Sakho----T.Silva---Jallet

----------------Sirigu----------------

I think that side could give United a good game, perhaps beat them.

by compelling and rich Wed Aug 08 2012, 18:46

Olly wrote:
compelling and rich wrote:
Olly wrote:BBC Sport ‏@BBCSport
Paris Saint-Germain have agreed a deal to buy Lucas Moura from São Paulo FC.

Another one that doesn't go to United it seems

if he wants to go to psg over united then let him, shows what his ambitions are, i want players who want to play for the club and not just collect thier pay cheque

Well at the moment who would you say have the better chance of winning the Champions League at the moment? PSG or Utd? I could make a very good case for the former

look at thier recent form in the competion over the last few years and tell me why psg have the better chance, oh wait! you cant. this isnt champ man psg havnt even been in the competetion so how you can say they have a better chance than united.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed Aug 08 2012, 18:47

Well if Utd don't get that ball winning midfielder in, and improve the defence, I'm looking at Evra, I can't see them challenging in Europe. Like last season

by compelling and rich Wed Aug 08 2012, 18:48

Crimey wrote:---------Ibrahimovic--------

Nene-----Pastore-----Menez

-------Motta------Matuidi-------

Tiene--Sakho----T.Silva---Jallet

----------------Sirigu----------------

I think that side could give United a good game, perhaps beat them.

football isnt played on paper, and uniteds defence is tons better than thiers.

by GSC Wed Aug 08 2012, 18:48

United didn't make it out of the group stage last year and I certainly couldnt say their team is any better this year.

by compelling and rich Wed Aug 08 2012, 18:50

potenial champions league winners?? the same side who couldnt win the league behind montpellier!!

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed Aug 08 2012, 18:50

compelling and rich wrote:
Crimey wrote:---------Ibrahimovic--------

Nene-----Pastore-----Menez

-------Motta------Matuidi-------

Tiene--Sakho----T.Silva---Jallet

----------------Sirigu----------------

I think that side could give United a good game, perhaps beat them.

football isnt played on paper, and uniteds defence is tons better than thiers.

Sorry but PSG's defence is pretty good now. Silva and Sakho are better than Vidic/Evans and Ferdinand and I would say the full backs are even at the moment. Evra is declining at a big rate of knots

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed Aug 08 2012, 18:51

compelling and rich wrote:potenial champions league winners?? the same side who couldnt win the league behind montpellier!!

Look at the side they had then compared to now. They have improved ten fold

by GSC Wed Aug 08 2012, 18:51

The same side that couldn't finish 2nd ahead of FC Basle?

by **Crimey** Wed Aug 08 2012, 18:53

Ibrahimovic and Thiago Silva are two of the best players in the world in their positions, they take them to a totally different level to the side they had last year.

by The Special Juan Wed Aug 08 2012, 18:54

The Special Juan wrote:
Olly wrote:
compelling and rich wrote:
Olly wrote:BBC Sport ‏@BBCSport
Paris Saint-Germain have agreed a deal to buy Lucas Moura from São Paulo FC.

Another one that doesn't go to United it seems

if he wants to go to psg over united then let him, shows what his ambitions are, i want players who want to play for the club and not just collect thier pay cheque

Well at the moment who would you say have the better chance of winning the Champions League at the moment? PSG or Utd? I could make a very good case for the former

Make the case then

by compelling and rich Wed Aug 08 2012, 18:57

i agree about evra not being on top form. but a fit defensive partnership of rio and vidic is tons better than silva and a unproven sakho. dont quite know who our first choice right back is yet but jallet is hardly better than a choice of smalling/jones or rafael.

motta and matuidi are not that special certainly no better than a carrick and scholes even if it is a old scholes. any combination of our wingers are better than thiers

finally we get to ibra the flat track bully, who rarely performs at the top level and is incredilly lazy whenh the mood doesnt suit him. great scoring record for teams but his attitude costs them in the big competitions. look at the teams form when he left? inter went on to win the champions league and so did barca

by GSC Wed Aug 08 2012, 18:59

Motta and Matuidi would walk rings around Scholes and Carrick.

This is 2012 not 2007

by compelling and rich Wed Aug 08 2012, 19:00

Crimey wrote:Ibrahimovic and Thiago Silva are two of the best players in the world in their positions, they take them to a totally different level to the side they had last year.

why because they have been playing well in a domestic league that is awful, every time ibra played united he was in vidics back pocket all game. some one please tell me what ibra has done on the top stage to be classed as one of the worlds best players. bagging in goals against torinos of the world doesnt count

by GSC Wed Aug 08 2012, 19:02

The Italian league is not awful, stop making up stuff to fit your argument

by **Hero** Wed Aug 08 2012, 19:04

You've also forgotten Lavezzi, one of the stars in Serie A last season who's also joined over the summer.

by compelling and rich Wed Aug 08 2012, 19:06

GSC wrote:Motta and Matuidi would walk rings around Scholes and Carrick.

This is 2012 not 2007

care to back it up with any form of evidence of these two so called greats?

carrick had a good season for united last season and was very consistent. scholes came back in and did what scholes does and run the show even with old legs. this same midfield that pushed city (a team that has a much better team than psg and united on paper) all the way. united finish second behind city in a much better league, psg come second behind montpellier but somehow psg are the better team? speculating that two players will take the club from runners up to champions league winners is a huge leap, i could easily be saying the same that kagawa could do the same for us, german player of the year etc etc but the fact is none of us have seen them in the team yet so shouldnt make such out landish comments

by GSC Wed Aug 08 2012, 19:11

a. Comparing what happened last year is a tad silly, look at what PSG have done this summer compared to Man Utd

b. Scholes is a shadow of the player he once was and Carrick's main asset is passing sideways or backwards. Motta and Matuidi have legs and can tackle/pass. Thats without involving Pastore when he drops back in.

c. I'm not claiming PSG are going to catapult to CL winners this season, however going forward they're more likely than Utd in years to come.

Its not outlandish, its taking the red tinted glasses off.

by compelling and rich Wed Aug 08 2012, 19:16

GSC wrote:The same side that couldn't finish 2nd ahead of FC Basle?

one bad season and were written off? suppose barca are rubbish as well then considering what they won this year?

so were going to ignore that weve got the best manager around with the trophies to back it up. lets ignore all of our recent competions and focus on the one bad season. think its not me who needs to take my specs off think you need to take your ABU specs off

by GSC Wed Aug 08 2012, 19:18

Yep, as usual any opinion that doesn't have united winning everything is anti united, rather than actually dispelling the argument posed.

by compelling and rich Wed Aug 08 2012, 19:20

Olly wrote:
compelling and rich wrote:
Olly wrote:BBC Sport ‏@BBCSport
Paris Saint-Germain have agreed a deal to buy Lucas Moura from São Paulo FC.

Another one that doesn't go to United it seems

if he wants to go to psg over united then let him, shows what his ambitions are, i want players who want to play for the club and not just collect thier pay cheque

Well at the moment who would you say have the better chance of winning the Champions League at the moment? PSG or Utd? I could make a very good case for the former

gsc please see the point in which i was arguing, a very good case that psg have a better chance of winning the champions league, a very good case? im yet to see any evidence on a team of mercnarys with no champions league expereince have a better chance let alone a very good case for it

by **Hero** Wed Aug 08 2012, 19:21

As seen with Man City, you chuck enough cash then you get the players and get the trophies, PSG are simply doing the same, sure they failed to win their league last season whilst the minnows of Montpeiller did the fairy tale win.
Since then PSG have spent what over 100m on Ibra, Silva, Lavezzi and now Moura.
And it's not going to end there is it really, attracting the best then attracts more, wouldn't be surprised if they stump up for Modric with Real squabbling over a fee.

As seen in the Premier League City in the space of 3 years have rocketed past Utd, yes it was goal difference but I'm under no illusions that the trajectionary of the two Manchester clubs is looking in different directions over the coming years, the same goes for PSG, they will only continue to buy and to buy the best in the world whilst Utd will get their 3rd or 4th choices.

by compelling and rich Wed Aug 08 2012, 19:21

GSC wrote:Yep, as usual any opinion that doesn't have united winning everything is anti united, rather than actually dispelling the argument posed.

nope ive been giving my opinions on why i dont think its the case, unlike some who have just taken pot shots at united focusing on simple arguements and ignoring everything else

by The Special Juan Wed Aug 08 2012, 19:28

Football is in a sad state nowadays. I'm not going to pretend that United have never spent stupid sums of money on players but they never went out and spent £100m in 1 transfer window.

by Trebs Wed Aug 08 2012, 19:28

PSG are not better than Man United. On paper they look good, but there's no team chemistry. They have Silva and Ibrahimovic, who are top players admittedly. After that the rest of their team is average.

Anyone who writes off Scholes or Rio as past it don't know what they're talking about. Last season both were brilliant.

Carrick gets written off way too much. You look at any top side in the world, they all have that boring CM who doesn't do anything fancy and has a simple job of retaining possession. Man City have Barry, Chelsea have Mikel, Bayern have Luiz Gustavo, Barcelona have Busquets. However, apart from Busquets, none of them are particularly seen as good players.

by compelling and rich Wed Aug 08 2012, 19:29

Hero wrote:As seen with Man City, you chuck enough cash then you get the players and get the trophies, PSG are simply doing the same, sure they failed to win their league last season whilst the minnows of Montpeiller did the fairy tale win.
Since then PSG have spent what over 100m on Ibra, Silva, Lavezzi and now Moura.
And it's not going to end there is it really, attracting the best then attracts more, wouldn't be surprised if they stump up for Modric with Real squabbling over a fee.

As seen in the Premier League City in the space of 3 years have rocketed past Utd, yes it was goal difference but I'm under no illusions that the trajectionary of the two Manchester clubs is looking in different directions over the coming years, the same goes for PSG, they will only continue to buy and to buy the best in the world whilst Utd will get their 3rd or 4th choices.

i hardly see how city have rocketed past united, caught and passed us yes. they have the better team but its hardly rocketed if they were to rocket past us then how many points they going to win this season coming then? 15-20?

city are in a league where they were able to attract the top stars. id take kompany, silva and aguero over t.silva, pastore and ibra any day of the week. im not saying that psg are useless or that they havent got a hope in hell of winning the comp in years to come. just simply arguing against everyone writing us off yet again. ive been hearing that united have been in decline every season we didnt win the league, and what has happened every single time? we come back! optmistic thinking by rival fans yet againthat think were going to drift off and not challenge for the title

by **Hero** Wed Aug 08 2012, 19:40

What happened in the past though is we could go out and compete to bring in the next crop. Kagawa aside where's that happening now? (and in regards to Kagawa whilst he's a fantastic talent Utd will have to alter their formation to play him).
Any kids that we bring through the ranks looking genuine quality then move on because other clubs are looking better prospects or are offering more cash (Pogba & Fryers), any player that is looking the next big thing then one of the super rich can beat us for (Hazard & Moura), I've been going to Utd now for 30 years and can genuinely say that the current squad is the weakest I've seen since the Premier League started.

by GSC Wed Aug 08 2012, 19:53

onlytreblewinners wrote:PSG are not better than Man United. On paper they look good, but there's no team chemistry. They have Silva and Ibrahimovic, who are top players admittedly. After that the rest of their team is average.

Anyone who writes off Scholes or Rio as past it don't know what they're talking about. Last season both were brilliant.

Carrick gets written off way too much. You look at any top side in the world, they all have that boring CM who doesn't do anything fancy and has a simple job of retaining possession. Man City have Barry, Chelsea have Mikel, Bayern have Luiz Gustavo, Barcelona have Busquets. However, apart from Busquets, none of them are particularly seen as good players.

Those players are holding midfielders though. Carrick isn't the best in defense. Barry is a nothing player.

Scholes was great when he came back, but he only played half the season, and even then only 2 FA cup ties in that period. And he didn't look quite so good towards the end. Him having to come back is a sign of the weakness United have at CM, rather than reinforcing it. I'm not sure PSG are better this year (but it isn't a massive gap, indeed United are 12/1, PSG 14/1 in the CL) but neither do I feel United are likely to win a CL. And going forward I'd back PSG to overtake United.

by compelling and rich Wed Aug 08 2012, 19:57

Hero wrote:What happened in the past though is we could go out and compete to bring in the next crop. Kagawa aside where's that happening now? (and in regards to Kagawa whilst he's a fantastic talent Utd will have to alter their formation to play him).
Any kids that we bring through the ranks looking genuine quality then move on because other clubs are looking better prospects or are offering more cash (Pogba & Fryers), any player that is looking the next big thing then one of the super rich can beat us for (Hazard & Moura), I've been going to Utd now for 30 years and can genuinely say that the current squad is the weakest I've seen since the Premier League started.

we have had other very poor teams klebersons and djemba djemba etc but always had the core of the 99 kids around them which helped. we are now in a period where we have to replace them, we did beckham with ronaldo, flecther came out over keanes shadow (not as good obviously but been a very important player for us). and now its scholes and giggs

no matter how talented the player was we get some one in to replace them and united have still been the top team in england. the role of agents getting in kids ears has caused a few to move on pogba etc but again theres a reason why a team on paper which is miles behind city finished on the same amount of points as them. because the players want to work hard for the team. id rather have a less talented player who's going to give 100% every game then talented players like robinho who only do it when thier bothered. thats where my original comment about lucas came from, he will simply be another robinho if he's moved to psg simply for money. in fact there hasnt been a huge success coming from brazil since kaka so not losing any sleep over missing out on lucas. would much rather buy a talented argie as they seem to keep thier hunger and willing to work harder on the pitch

the other factor in this is how seriously uefa think they can impose the finacal fair play, as that suits united down to a t being one of the biggest earning clubs in the world. if uefa impose these then the likes of city, chelsea and psg will not be able to out spend us in fact we will be able to dwarf them on current finacial records. see the glaziers debt is theirs and not the clubs according to these so we can spend. but the way i see current teams spending i can only think that thier high paid lawyers have already found a loop hole in them. either that or there very confident they can increase thiers revenue massively

by GSC Wed Aug 08 2012, 19:59

Its also because City completely wet themselves after christmas then picked it back up just in time.

I wouldn't count on that again now that City have that first title

by GSC Wed Aug 08 2012, 20:00

Also the debt the Glazers took out to buy United was anchored against united, so it is United's debt

by compelling and rich Wed Aug 08 2012, 20:08

GSC wrote:Also the debt the Glazers took out to buy United was anchored against united, so it is United's debt

not according to the FFP rules its not, its the owners debt so the harsh intrest is placed against them. just like the sheiks moneys is all theres and doesnt count towards city the glaziers debt doesnt count against us.

by GSC Wed Aug 08 2012, 20:28

The owners secured the debt against United. The money to repay it comes from United's revenue. Its very much going to harm united under FFP

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