Amir Khan v Carlos Molina

For anybody that hasn't seen it Amir himself just announced on Soccer AM that his next opponent will be Carlos Molina on either the 1st or 15th of December possibly in Britain.

You beat me to it mate!! Should be a good fight. Undefeated fighter. Ten Ko's. Not taking easy route back which is good. Khan via UD or late stoppage.

Has anybody ever seen him fight? I'd never heard of him until now.

Good test for Khan, hopefully we'll see a much improved defensive performance. Wonder if I can put tickets on my crimbo list from the misses

There are a few Carlos Molina's can someone point me in the direction of the right one?

I have seen him fight and he does not offer Khan any problems so a good easy comeback fight for Khan.

surely not the one who got a draw with Lara??? who is the other one :/

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:I have seen him fight and he does not offer Khan any problems so a good easy comeback fight for Khan.

Is that according to your sources?

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:I have seen him fight and he does not offer Khan any problems so a good easy comeback fight for Khan.

Is that according to your sources?

Hahahaha

hampo171 wrote:Good test for Khan, hopefully we'll see a much improved defensive performance. Wonder if I can put tickets on my crimbo list from the misses

Must be worth a shot Hampo. What are the repercussions though?

trottb wrote:

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:I have seen him fight and he does not offer Khan any problems so a good easy comeback fight for Khan.

Is that according to your sources?

Hahahaha

No you're mum told me

Hahahahahahah

He's fighting a lightweight who can't punch, not exactly matthysse

Safe fight with next to zero chance of losing

Gives him time to get to terms with hunter but I would liked it to be a slightly sterner test, not matthysse but a decent level lightwelter or welter

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:

trottb wrote:

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:I have seen him fight and he does not offer Khan any problems so a good easy comeback fight for Khan.

Is that according to your sources?

Hahahaha

No you're mum told me

Hahahahahahah

SBS is your mum?!

AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Shame of your flesh mate, you'll never live this down SBS

Why were you "protecting" my Mum. If she is one of your sources that kind of explains a few things with regards to your "information".

Too much going on WHU LWW is wide open now that neither Alexander and Bradley are around, getting a sterner test will be difficult as the lesser fighters wont risk their chance and the fighters on a par with Khan are already engaged/looking for the titles. I think its a half decentish choice and it might be worth fighting light punching quick fighters to see how Khan adapts to the defensive training. How frequently he gets tagged in the next few fights will shape the rest of his career.

He is starting over again with a new trainer so a little tune up fight is ideal right now.

whos molinas best scalp

a fella with an 18-3 record.

Personally I think this is a poor tune up opponent, this guy is unheard of and has fought no one of note, only recently had a draw against an opponent with 5-6 record. If Khan does anything less than blow this guy away in 1-5 rounds, his stock will only drop further. You never know how good an opponent is until he suffers a defeat. the match up with Khan may bring out Molina's career best performance. Anyone remember when Ola Afolabi was seen as Enzo's tune up fight after a couple of hard defeats? Khan can take nothing from this except a test to see if Hunter's style works in the ring.

He is a bit of a no name, has no real names on his record, but Khan will find a way to make this a FOTY contender lol.

This guy is a LIGHTWEIGHT by the way...

Haha Khan is sayin he is jumping back into the ring against the best. This guy is a nobody who doesn't even belong at light welter.

That rematch with McClampet actually doesn't seem that bad compared to this dross. Boring fight for the paper chinned wonder

crispears1 wrote:a fella with an 18-3 record.

Personally I think this is a poor tune up opponent, this guy is unheard of and has fought no one of note, only recently had a draw against an opponent with 5-6 record. If Khan does anything less than blow this guy away in 1-5 rounds, his stock will only drop further. You never know how good an opponent is until he suffers a defeat. the match up with Khan may bring out Molina's career best performance. Anyone remember when Ola Afolabi was seen as Enzo's tune up fight after a couple of hard defeats? Khan can take nothing from this except a test to see if Hunter's style works in the ring.

Carlos molina is undefeated in 18 fights, very fast hands. but not a big puncher, battle of speed. but khan has more experience and is bigger

true and it should be easy for khan. key word: should. If he makes it look anything but his stance as one of the best of the diversion will become ever more brittle. Tbh this fight is a move of someone who is going to take it easy for the moment, that is to say I don't expect Khan to be fighting for world titles for at least another 2 fights.

I don't think this is the worst option for Khan. For me McCloskey would have been a worse fight, given that the first fight was both boring and not particularly competitive. Getting the ring with Matthysse after a huge career altering defeat would have been borderline psychotic, although I would like to see the matchup in the future.

Ah well, eh, one could dream.

Great comeback opponent. Certainly a step up from that muppet who got starched by an old Corley. A lot safer than Lucas and will allow Hunter to teach him some defensive skills. Molina is fast and we will see how Khan's defences have improved.

i wish khan well actually, so am glad he isnt fighting mattteysse because that would have been career suicide.

Don't think it would have been as suicidal as some are saying, Khan has beaten a big puncher very similar to Matthysse in Maidana. ALthough Matthysse is better, I think that Khan fighting a little smarter he could well box his way to a hard fought decision, though Khan always seems to manage to get tagged once or twice in a fight so it really would bve a 50/50 for me.

i dont think matteysse is like maidana, he doesnt allow himself to be pushed around the ring like maidana sometimes does. if peterson could push him about and make him fight his fight, matteysse would finish him inside 4-5 rounds at the most.

I think that Matthysse is a more technical boxer than Maidana, but very similar. I also think that Khan was more suprised and struggled to change tact throughout the fight with Peterson, whereas he would be coming in against Matthysse fully prepared and knowing what to expect, he most certainly could be pancaked with the power of Matthysse and the chin of Khan, but at the same time I think he could dig deep and tough out a decision.

To be honest Alex, I can't see Khan penetrating that Matthysse guard. That's a bad matchup for Khan imo, and should be avoided until he had no choice,

I get a feeling Matthysse has been overrated somewhat, now all of a sudden he has a great defence Herman? He's starting to sound like the LWW Mike Tyson...

I agree with Alex here (sorry son). Khan has had problems with guys throwing hooks at him. All his Ko's have been via hooks. Even when decked it was always via hooks. Lucas is a straight puncher who relies on hi boxing to get within range. Khan could outbox him. With Khan fighting scared he could get a decision. Also Lucas has been outboxed by Judah and Alexander. Maybe he has problems with quick and slick boxers. Or perhaps he has problems with southpaws. Lets not get carried away with him blowing out that super-feather he beat last time out.

I wonder why a natural fight between Lucas and Maidana hasn't taken place yet?

Maidana has moved up to 147lbs and supposedly can't make 140 anymore. Humberto Soto did get pancaked though must say the win against Olsegun the other week was good, but Olusegun was there to be hit and seemingly wanted a flat out war, which suited Matthysse.

Maidana looked fleshy at 147 I thought. Lucas looks huge at 140. Its a natural and potentially a barnstormer of a fight. I hope its not a case of friends not wanting to fight.

Same to be honest, it does seem a bit strange as he appears to be packing excess weight to be honest, and he doesn't appear quite as effective at 147, unsure if he is just not totally committed to training and getting rid of the extra weight or what. He may have felt his career was on the slide when he had to face Alexander and took a bit of a beating in a fight that was billed as a crossroads fight, he may have just possibly lost a bit of heart. Unsure though.

Matthyse is getting hyped up way beyond his actual abilities, he has good power although I don't think it's as devastating as some would suggest but skill wise he's not that much different to Maidana. If Khan fought smart he should be able to win a fairly comfortable decision but that is a BIG if.

Agree with you there Ghosty, would say it is a bit typical, a boxer with a good fan friendly style got possibly jobbed twice and was an avoided fighter for a bit finally getting with the in crowd and looking pretty good against two opponents ends up getting overrated to mammoth proportions. Though I do genuinely believe he can give any 140lber a mean old time and would have a fair old chance against anyone in the division right now.

Well I don't think he was jobbed at all against either Alexander or Judah but rather shown up that good technical boxers can frustrate him and negate his power. If he was as destructive and dominant over Judah as some suggest he would have knocked him out but Judah seeing the final bell tells it's own story.

Well if I'm agreeing with Alex and now Ghosty its a sign that I'm either getting old or what we say is correct.

I had him winning both fights to be honest, but only just and they aren't really the massive robberies that have been made out to be honest. However, they most certainly showed the limitations and the flaws that Matthysse has against genuine boxers and slightly more tricky quicker customers.

azania wrote:Well if I'm agreeing with Alex and now Ghosty its a sign that I'm either getting old or what we say is correct.

If it feels wrong but so right Az, embrace it.

AlexHuckerby wrote:I had him winning both fights to be honest, but only just and they aren't really the massive robberies that have been made out to be honest. However, they most certainly showed the limitations and the flaws that Matthysse has against genuine boxers and slightly more tricky quicker customers.

Or southpaws.

Possibly, but he looked very good against Olusegun who is a good fighter who is southpaw. Awesome fight that by the way, worth checking out.
http://www.allthebestfights.com/lucas-matthysse-vs-ajose-olusegun-full-fight-video-pelea-2012/

Worrying when his ex trainer and his current trainer ask him to keep away from punchers, Khan will never change he'll always exchange and he'll always be chinny. Don't think this fight will tell us anything if Molina is a non puncher, much rather see Khan in with a puncher to see if he can stick to a gameplan, this fight is a undercard fight at best.

Cheers Rodders

Khan is a very disciplined trainer and can box to order. Witness his fight with Kotelnik where h boxed to order and scored a shutout against a ver good fighter. One who was robbed against Alexander. I have always said that Roach was bad for him especially with his vulnerabilities.

Why is it worrying that his new trainer speaks an obvious truth. What good will it do him if his trainer says he isn't chinny?

Roach bad for him? He took him from being iced by a club house fighter in Prescott, to the fringes of calling out the P4P best, to say Roach was bad for him is ludicrous.

If Khan was that disciplined he wouldve taken that route against Peterson when Roach was calling for him to move and the same for Maidana. Khan has no boxing brain for me he gets tagged and reverts to old amateur mentality trying to score back immediately, brave kid, but sacking Roach and moving to Hunter won't make the slightest IMO.

Cheers

Rodders

He took him as far as he could go. To get to the next level he needed a change. Khan fought a style of fight which exposed his limitations. You don't go mixing it up when you have a dodgy chin. Manny could do that but not Khan. Khan became almost an orthodox Manny in his last few fights.

Khan has no brain? He held on for dear life against Maidana. Many called it excessive and asked for points to have been docked. He tried to fire back against Garcia. Damned if you do it seems.

Great move to go to Hunter. More time with him also. He will show all his skills when he destroys Hatton.

AlexHuckerby wrote:Same to be honest, it does seem a bit strange as he appears to be packing excess weight to be honest, and he doesn't appear quite as effective at 147, unsure if he is just not totally committed to training and getting rid of the extra weight or what. He may have felt his career was on the slide when he had to face Alexander and took a bit of a beating in a fight that was billed as a crossroads fight, he may have just possibly lost a bit of heart. Unsure though.

Maidana fought 2 weeks ago against jesus soto Karass. While his power didn't seem as effective to start with technically he looked much better using his jab much more than normal. He showed he still has power at the weight as the stoppage proved against a fighter who has proved his durability and he was much busier in a real war, possibly a fight of the year contender! Whatever his flaws Maidana doesn't lack heart.

Volcanicash wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:Same to be honest, it does seem a bit strange as he appears to be packing excess weight to be honest, and he doesn't appear quite as effective at 147, unsure if he is just not totally committed to training and getting rid of the extra weight or what. He may have felt his career was on the slide when he had to face Alexander and took a bit of a beating in a fight that was billed as a crossroads fight, he may have just possibly lost a bit of heart. Unsure though.

Maidana fought 2 weeks ago against jesus soto Karass. While his power didn't seem as effective to start with technically he looked much better using his jab much more than normal. He showed he still has power at the weight as the stoppage proved against a fighter who has proved his durability and he was much busier in a real war, possibly a fight of the year contender! Whatever his flaws Maidana doesn't lack heart.

I agree, was a real slugfest. Wasn't really referring to him losing heart whilst in the ring, but more so in training. He does, to my eyes appear to be slightly more fleshy at 147 and he looks as though (Although I aren't him) he could lose a bit to still make 140. Also, he seemed to be gassing a lot more since he moved to 147 against Karass he was near out on his feet midway, and against Alexander he was nearly finished towards the end of the 10 rounder and I think if it had been 12, he would've been taken out. He still does have power, but he quite literally smashed him with everything but the kitchen sink to take Karass out, fun fighter to watch though, and even though he possibly isn't fighting at his best weight, he can still pose questions to most.