Re: Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[Diggers]

First topic message reminder :

Of course there are shades of grey but ultimately nobody can be sent to jail for saying they would like to kiddy fiddle but won't as it's illegal and cannot include consent by definition.
They go to jail when they break the law by looking at images or worse acts. So what do you do, change the laws ? Having an open debate won't change the laws, it will still come down to the same thing.
So whether they are deemed evil by society or not is ultimately fairly irrelevant as far as I can see. The end game remains the same.

[mystiroakey]

That is so cheap. did you get a drink with that!

[mystiroakey]

sewage treatment - oh dear sr... you have made me imagine Diggers straining on the toilet!

Questionable as to which of us finds this comment more disturbing really. You for having the thoughts or me now imagining you having the thoughts......

embrace the dark side once in a while

[Shotrock]

Mysti - One other part of the NYC food experience I would recommend: Katz's Deli or the Second Avenue Deli ... not haute cuisine, but some excellent Jewish food.

And Mark Twain said it best: "Moderation in all things, including moderation."

Have fun.

[Diggers]

That is so cheap. did you get a drink with that!

No, I never fizzy drinks anyway. Have a bottle of sugar free Robinsons apple and blackberry squash back at the office. Much nicer.

[mystiroakey]

nice Srock- I will note it down on my new york map

got that idea from mac!!! he is actually usfull sometimes

[mystiroakey]

I am also addicted to diet coke.. bad i know..

[Diggers]

So Mysti, fags, diet coke and hopelessly addicted to believing Westy will still run away with a major one day. You're a lost cause mate.

[mystiroakey]

yep thats me!!

Come on Westy!!

[super_realist]

I do chuckle when I see a fat knacker clutching a diet coke and getting in the lift to go up two flights.

[mystiroakey]

Its as if you see that scenario alot sr!!

[Diggers]

Its his Dad Mysti.

[mystiroakey]

[super_realist]

You can't avoid it Oakey. UK is full of fat deluded bar stewards who believe a diet coke is their salvation from a life of fatness

[gaelgowfer]

Good calories ... bad calories? Has (good/bad) cholesteral gone out of fashion then?

[navyblueshorts]

Navy, I don't think you are getting the point. Taxing by calorie wouldn't work because all calories are not equal. Well they are in the sense of the energy that each has, however, it's easier to get energy from certain foods than others, and the energy not released as energy can become stored as fat. So you might take in the same amount of calories as someone on a healthier diet, but because your body can't process it as easily, less energy is released and your net balance is skewed and you put on weight.

If you changed your current diet from what it is to an equivalent calorie level in Mars Bars or Lard, you'd put on weight.

S_R. Sorry, but you're talking clap-trap. If I need 2500 calories a day to maintain my weight, it makes sod all difference where they come from. You can't exist on a diet of solely Mars Bars/lard because you'd get all sorts of deficiencies.
A bit of biochemistry for you. Sugar (i.e. sucrose or even glucose) is a primary energy source. The brain (with rare exceptions) must use glucose as an energy source so we have to maintain circulating glucose for the brain, if nothing else. If you don't have enough glucose from the diet, you'll make it via de novo synthesis from gluconeogenic precursors, some of which are derived from fat or protein. The need for glucose is what drives our potential energy stores to be used in the order, sugar then protein then fat. If I have no glucose, I'll burn protein and fat. If you need energy, it doesn't matter where it comes from.

Question: how is it you think that the Atkins Diet works? After all, the intake is almost pure fat in various forms. I'm waiting....

[navyblueshorts]

Exactly, it's not as easy as people think. If you are into cardio vascular sport you know about stuff like that. A couple of meals of poor quality calorie sources soon affects performance.

By and large though, a steady calorie intake to exercise programme results in a healthy person.

"Poor quality calories"????? I know you're fit (at least you say you are) but this is nonsense. You're confusing things such as the rate at which energy is released from foodstuffs (and which order the differing foods are metabolised) with 'healthy'.

[navyblueshorts]

Good calories ... bad calories? Has (good/bad) cholesteral gone out of fashion then?

No, the good/bad cholesterol hasn't gone out of fashion but it's not referring to dietary cholesterol i.e. cholesterol ingested as part of your diet.

[mystiroakey]

nbs your getting wrapped up in nonsense here mate, its kinda clear what is being said and meant. you are probally theoritically correct though...but you are arguing symatics..

Soon enough we will be going to a deli and asking for stuff in realtion to amount of calories.. "oh can i have 250 calories woth of turkey please"

[mystiroakey]

You can't avoid it Oakey. UK is full of fat deluded bar stewards who believe a diet coke is their salvation from a life of fatness

yeah maybe!!

but tbh i think diet coke has some kind of addictive formula in it!!

[super_realist]

Navy, I'm not confusing anything. If you took 10 foods all with the same amount of calories but with different levels ti which your body can deal with those calories then you'll struggle to burn them the calories in the worst if the foods.

If you don't know the value of different types of food I don't really care, I'm fit, thin and healthy. Certain grumpy Scots battleaxes are round, unsightly and portly.

Atkins works due to the absence of carbs. Though you'd have to be desperate amd already a fat git to try it. It's protein energy which is easier to fragment with than fat laden carbs.

By and large 2500 from a balanced diet combined with exercise will see you right, 2500 from questionable fat laden carbs and you might find it difficult after a while.

[mystiroakey]

there is no might about it SR, you feel lathargic in mind body and soul!

the fact is i am struggling to work out what thisargument is all about- but i think the fact is if people worry less about need to worry less about calroies' and more about fresh decent food(that is balanced) and eat at the right times- they will all be better off.

That link i posted last night, is from a trailor trash reality show..

they were cooking dinner!

they made the spagetthi!

the sauce consisted of loads of butter and tomato sauce- microwaved together!!

drop me out!

[Diggers]

Just watched that clip Mysti. I know its easy to say only in America but I reckon plenty of families in the UK are just as bad, those kids dont really have a chance do they. They are gonna grow up with obesity and diabeteslooming over them, mind you guess thats the norm.

[navyblueshorts]

Navy, I'm not confusing anything. If you took 10 foods all with the same amount of calories but with different levels ti which your body can deal with those calories then you'll struggle to burn them the calories in the worst if the foods.

If you don't know the value of different types of food I don't really care, I'm fit, thin and healthy. Certain grumpy Scots battleaxes are round, unsightly and portly.

Atkins works due to the absence of carbs. Though you'd have to be desperate amd already a fat git to try it. It's protein energy which is easier to fragment with than fat laden carbs.

By and large 2500 from a balanced diet combined with exercise will see you right, 2500 from questionable fat laden carbs and you might find it difficult after a while.

I should leave this discussion now. This is demonstrable nonsense. I don't normally shout the odds in this way but I'm a Biochemist by way of a living. I've held a Ph.D. in the subject since '93 and I work in an institute who have an international reputation in human, whole body and sports physiology research.

Atkins has nothing to do with an absence of carbs. Not a single, solitary thing. It burns fat (even though that's all you eat) because it forces the body's metabolism to both burn the fat you eat and convert the fat you have sorted in adipose tissue to glucose and other fuels that tissues such as the brain have to use.

By all means continue to believe in nonsense and quack 'facts'.

nbs your getting wrapped up in nonsense here mate, its kinda clear what is being said and meant. you are probally theoritically correct though...but you are arguing symatics..

No, it's not semantics and I'm clear as crystal on what's correct and what's not here. The distinction between which fuel types are utilised first etc and whether they're healthy is pretty important to what's being said here. The relationship between that and whether something is 'healthy' and something that's not doesn't even exist.

[navyblueshorts]

there is no might about it SR, you feel lathargic in mind body and soul!

the fact is i am struggling to work out what thisargument is all about- but i think the fact is if people worry less about need to worry less about calroies' and more about fresh decent food(that is balanced) and eat at the right times- they will all be better off.

That link i posted last night, is from a trailor trash reality show..

they were cooking dinner!

they made the spagetthi!

the sauce consisted of loads of butter and tomato sauce- microwaved together!!

drop me out!

Even that clip isn't so bad from a food point of view. Pasta is fine, butter is OK and ketchup isn't so bad. Just because they put it together like they did and look like people from South Park doesn't necessarily mean it's that bad.

If they'd been Italian and served spaghetti with a butter and tomato sauce I doubt you'd bat an eyelid.

[Roller_Coaster]

I don't know much about food or the hierarchy of energy sources in the human body, but I know what I like.

Tonight I'm going to a Thai restaurant.

Yummy.

Sorry, but I can't add much more than that to the debate!

[mystiroakey]

nbs are you actually for real. that is pure fat mixed with low quality sugary salty ketchup. I am sorry but that is the most disgustingly fatty over sugary combination i have ever heard of! apart from that it is disgusting. We are clearly from different worlds

[Plunky]

Somebody once told me that food calories settle somewhere (usually on your hips), but that booze calories just whizz around your body. I don't care if that makes sense or not -- I choose to believe it !

[mystiroakey]

Just watched that clip Mysti. I know its easy to say only in America but I reckon plenty of families in the UK are just as bad, those kids dont really have a chance do they. They are gonna grow up with obesity and diabeteslooming over them, mind you guess thats the norm.

its kind off sad, but hey supposedly they are happy!!(well thats what many people say from watching the show!)

I cant say its much worse than gets getting feed oven chips and nuggets like our chavs live on.

but i was physally wretching watching that

[gaelgowfer]

Knew of a middle-aged portly male who went on the Atkins diet and the weight just fell off him. Trouble was, because his carbohydrate intake was so small, he felt hungry all the time. Needless to say ...

[JAS]

Somebody once told me that food calories settle somewhere (usually on your hips), but that booze calories just whizz around your body. I don't care if that makes sense or not -- I choose to believe it !

Love it Plunky, don't care if it's true or not. I would imagine that booze calories whizz around your head for a while then make a collective stampede for your bladder :-D

[JAS]

Casting aside the calorie discussions of today and back to yesterdays musical discourse...

Who remembers the Bangles? Check out Susannah Hoffs these days

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoAFzv-qEKQ&feature=player_detailpage[url][/url]


Still would!! Matured like a good Bordeaux

[oldshanker]

Thank you JAS - I checked it out and liked it enough to add to my Grooveshark lists - well worth it.

[navyblueshorts]

nbs are you actually for real. that is pure fat mixed with low quality sugary salty ketchup...

And? For real? Yes, obviously! As I said, if it was presented as spaghetti with a butter and tomato sauce, you wouldn't bat an eyelid. Plenty of butter used in most of the great French sauces. Pasta? What's wrong with pasta? Pretty sure I heard that sporty people like pasta. The TK I'll give you somewhat - it's a bit sugary but there's not a lot wrong with it.
What isn't said in the video is whether they eat the same every day etc etc.
To be fair, I'm being a pedantic re. the lovely spaghetti but it's not as bad as is made out. I wouldn't want to eat it the way it's shown in the video clip.

[navyblueshorts]

Casting aside the calorie discussions of today and back to yesterdays musical discourse...

Who remembers the Bangles? Check out Susannah Hoffs these days

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoAFzv-qEKQ&feature=player_detailpage[url][/url]


Still would!! Matured like a good Bordeaux

Yeah. Have to say, Hoffs was a bit of alright.

[McLaren]

Navy, if reading books or journals aided you in gaining your phd I suspect super will not consider it legitimate. Only knowledge which just pops into your head counts in his eyes.

And by the way navy, some of the best posts ever from you in the last few pages. So happy to see super burned by his total ignorance yet again.

Super..............


.........super?

.............. super?


where are you?


Oh yeah, that's right. You just lost an argument in the most humiliating fashion ever on v2.

[mystiroakey]

nbs are you actually for real. that is pure fat mixed with low quality sugary salty ketchup...

And? For real? Yes, obviously! As I said, if it was presented as spaghetti with a butter and tomato sauce, you wouldn't bat an eyelid. Plenty of butter used in most of the great French sauces. Pasta? What's wrong with pasta? Pretty sure I heard that sporty people like pasta. The TK I'll give you somewhat - it's a bit sugary but there's not a lot wrong with it.
What isn't said in the video is whether they eat the same every day etc etc.
To be fair, I'm being a pedantic re. the lovely spaghetti but it's not as bad as is made out. I wouldn't want to eat it the way it's shown in the video clip.

it isnt a tomato sauce is it it- it is ketchup!!

who said there is anything wrong with pasta-= i eat it loads- but when i make a sauce i use tinned tomatoes and onions and stuff- and its so easy- yet decent food!!

not ketchup and butter- off course we can use butter in certain sauces- i do alot of cooking.But That is sick!

[mystiroakey]

Mac your beiing an idiot there mate.. NBS at best is on some pedantic mission at the moment- at best arguing symatics..

[gaelgowfer]

navy ... you seem to be confusing the upper classes with the burgeoning middle class which rose out of the growing industrialision of Britain who made up the vast majority of the officer class. They suffered terribly and enjoyed a particularly short shelf life at the front.

Not sure that I am. I don't equate Bowes-Lyon et al with a burgeoning middle class. The classes of Eton were decimated and that would include a lot of the scions of the traditional upper classes.
It's a moot point anyway really - there'll always be shirkers because they're either connected or rich and can avoid what the rest have to endure.

Yes you are. I never suggested for one moment that all members of the landed gentry used their privileged positions to avoid front line duty but those Eton classes to which you refer were made up mostly from sons of the upwardly mobile middle classes. Think about it; there is no way the growing independent school system could be supported only by boys from the landed gentry. There simply weren't enough of them.

When I read this article in the Sunday Times I was, at first, surprised that such a high proportion managed to wangle rear line positions but then when I thought about it, it kind of made sense that the families of the large estates would do whatever was necessary to ensure the family name lived on.

[navyblueshorts]

Mac your beiing an idiot there mate.. NBS at best is on some pedantic mission at the moment- at best arguing symatics..

Don't be a plank. There's nothing semantic in what I've said. You always say I'm arguing semantics when you don't get what I'm talking about!
You're right re. the spaghetti, butter and TK. It's not great but it's not as bad, nutritionally, as is being made out. As I said before, if they ate that occasionally, what's the issue? If they eat it every day? That's another matter.

[navyblueshorts]

Yes you are. I never suggested for one moment that all members of the landed gentry used their privileged positions to avoid front line duty but those Eton classes to which you refer were made up mostly from sons of the upwardly mobile middle classes. Think about it; there is no way the growing independent school system could be supported only by boys from the landed gentry. There simply weren't enough of them.

When I read this article in the Sunday Times I was, at first, surprised that such a high proportion managed to wangle rear line positions but then when I thought about it, it kind of made sense that the families of the large estates would do whatever was necessary to ensure the family name lived on.

Could you cite your Sunday Times article please.
Look, let's not argue about something this pointless? Officers were disproportionately annihilated in WW1, many of them were the traditional nobility and I daresay, many of them were the sons of the new industrialists. Some wealthy toffs undoubtedly avoided serving via contacts etc and some industrialists' offspring undoubtedly did likewise. None of this really affects my conjecture that Dubya skipped the draft for Vietnam via his family contacts.

[McLaren]

The danes have given up on the fat tax;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20280863

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