Re: Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[Diggers]

Of course there are shades of grey but ultimately nobody can be sent to jail for saying they would like to kiddy fiddle but won't as it's illegal and cannot include consent by definition.
They go to jail when they break the law by looking at images or worse acts. So what do you do, change the laws ? Having an open debate won't change the laws, it will still come down to the same thing.
So whether they are deemed evil by society or not is ultimately fairly irrelevant as far as I can see. The end game remains the same.

[navyblueshorts]

Succinctly put. I tend to agree I guess but I can't help wondering if some end up in clink (and worse) when there's not a lot they can do about it.

[kwinigolfer]

Isn't there a bit of a history of DJ's doing things with young boys and girls that society would prefer they didn't?

Sure it wouldn't be too difficult to come up with a handful, especially if Jonathan King - who used to have a radio show - was included.

[Diggers]

What is interesting is that it seems a lot of child abusers were themselves abused as children. Strange in some ways and yet sort of makes sense that it may become normalised ?
Have to say anyone in a position of authority like a teacher or carer or a priest who abuses that position to prey on children deserve all they get. To abuse a position of trust systematically is disgusting and when you get the cover ups from say the catholic church that makes me very angry indeed.

[JAS]

I had a shocker a few years ago, a guy I used to work with, really good at his job, seemed like a pretty straight enough guy, infact he used to tut tut at the rest of us for ogling call centre hotties in the canteen.

One morning his resignation was on the Senior Managers desk along with a written handover of his current work and company mobile phone. Later that day the local evening paper came out and he was front page news, part of a kiddie porn photos ring. All of us were completely and utterly gobsmacked, he really would have been one of the last people you'd imagine would be like that.

[McLaren]

JAS

The fist few words of your last post are not what I wanted to read from someone in the context of this thread,

"I had a shocker a few years ago"

I was thinking maybe "a shocker" would have been an understatement.

[mystiroakey]

Ermm I can imagine someone guilty as sin taking the moral high ground on stuff!! Its very typical..

[JAS]

Not sure where you're going with that MAC??

Or as one orange juice manufacturer with a lisp said to the other....Are you taking the pith??

[mystiroakey]

I think he wants you to be more shocked than you were . Which kinda doesnt really make sense to me. You dont need to explain the extent of your concern, I think we can imagine!!

[Diggers]

I read some press on this today, it would seem that Saville if nothing else was a deeply unpleasant man who thought an awful lot of himself.
Seems like the BBC are now coming under a lot of pressure to spill the beans on what they know but lawyers are getting involved all over the place.

[McLaren]

I was joking.

What I meant was that the first thought when I read the first few words of your post was that you were about to admit to having committed a jimmy saville. By describing it as "had a shocker". And yes taking the pith, of course.

[McLaren]

This is pretty good fun;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19794259

Who did you predict would win?

[kwinigolfer]

I'm glad to see we're in blue; traditionally the Dems biggest margin of victory (sometimes Hawaii squeaks ahead) and the first to confirm the State had gone to Barack in 2008.

[mystiroakey]

I think some one need to do another thread - or this one will just die. BANBAN- do your job matey!

[Diggers]

Anyone else spend a pleasant hour on a Tuesday evening watching the Great British Bake Off ?

[navyblueshorts]

Actually, yes. The older guy (forget his name) is a little irritating.

[mystiroakey]

yeah i an addicted. I like the scottish guy. My GF liked the girl that got sent home last night!

[mystiroakey]

I also loved the recent masterchef- Gutted that segment is lost to the chase or something else!!

[Diggers]

Brendan Navy, he's very good though. I like the Scottish lad as well. I prefer it to Masterchef as its not so intense.

[mystiroakey]

I like the way when someone leaves the show they all hug the loser.. Awwww.. In most cheffy programs- Its just a straight walk away- Or GET OUT MY KITCHEN YOU WRONGON..

[navyblueshorts]

Brendan - that's the one. Yeah, he seems pretty good it has to be said. Thought the birthday guy was quite a laugh with his 'derelict' barn gingerbread construction yesterday .

Mysti

Yeah, I'm not sure I go for that all aggression sort of chefing. Can't stand Ramsay for all he's a great cook.

[mystiroakey]

Yeah i liked the barn- it was a work of art.. Kinda unfinished. Didnt like Brendans Playschool house with shreddies on the top- That isnt gonna taste good!

I love all cooking shows- My fav is Mr Jamie Oliver, But i prefer Ramseys restuarants. But then I also do love Jamies chain italians as well.

[hend085]

Ate in Barbacoa in london recently. Delicious I must say!

[mystiroakey]

Thats Jamies steak house is it.. must try

[Diggers]

I dont mind cooking shows but only really addicted to Bake Off. I think Ramsey would be in my first 5 against the wall to be shot list, utter and copmplete tool. Think my favourite is Hugh Thingimy Whatshischops, a guy who seems utterly unaffected by fame and genuinely seems to just do what he does for the love of it.
My main TV addiction is property programs, Escape to the Country, Location, love them all.

[mystiroakey]

Hugh is class- not the best chef in a cheffy style. But a lovely lad and loves the local produce. My dream is to get away from the rat race- get a kinda farm and live the way he seems to!

[McLaren]

Diggers

I also like a property show, especially ones with Kirsty allsop. She is hot and seems like a real laugh. Although it is a shame she seems a little on the right with her politics.

[Diggers]

He's not the best chef for sure though think he trained at River Cottage so no mug. But these are cooking programs, you dont really need to be shown by a michelin star chef how to cook good food but its very nice when they make it for you.
Best meal I ever had was at a Marco Pierre White restaurant when he still actually cooked in them, was Harveys on Wandsworth Common which is now Chez Bruce and still very good, shame I was so young and unappreciative, got hammered on 100 quid bottles of wine which again I didnt appreciate. This is what happens when the boss pays.
I did really like The Restaurant, the Raymond Blanc one where couples had to try and make a go of a palce and the winner won it. Not sure ift hey are doing it anymore but was good TV.

[mystiroakey]

Yeah i have been to chez bruce a few times. Nice food- love the lobster stuffed courchete flower

[JAS]

Diggers

I also like a property show, especially ones with Kirsty allsop. She is hot and seems like a real laugh. Although it is a shame she seems a little on the right with her politics.

Mac, she is. Never actually got the chance to meet her but my daughter and former son in law's house got a BBC makeover about 4 years ago (forget the name of the program but basically Kirsty and her team came in, gutted and revamped the house to try and make it sellable. The house was in such a state it was embarrassing really but the funniest part (not screened) was when Kirsty found my ex son in laws Porn stash :-/

[McLaren]

jas

Is that the reason he is now ex?

[mystiroakey]

LOL.. My GF's auntie also got thehouse makeover. Not sure if anything like that happened tho!!

[JAS]

Eh no, let's not go there.

[McLaren]

Jas

Sounds interesting.



Anyway, does anyone actually buy porn magazines anymore?

Surely the internet has all you could ever need for free. Unless you like some really freaky specialist stuff, but even then you could just buy it on the net.

[incontinentia]

Anyone see the Saville programme last nite? Guilty as. Even Esther Rantzen admitted that it was true and that no-one said anything.

[mystiroakey]

I fell asleep to early- Wanted to

[JAS]

I can assure you Mac it's not.

With regard to Porn, yes you're right, I would imagine all the top shelf mags have seen a dramatic drop off in sales in recent years. Porn basically fuelled the growth of the Internet. The sheer amount and variety now freely available is staggering...not that I'd look at any of it of course :-/

[mystiroakey]

yeah course !!!

[dynamark]

Going back my son pitched up a few months back with a new lass,blonde very tidy.Couple of weeks later 2 polis at the door looking for her/him.Apparently had a fall out with her mum and gone to stay with a mate.Only 15.He had been told and dropped her but could have been 19/20 for me.

[McLaren]

dynamark

That is a shocker, I hope he didn't go down for it?

[mystiroakey]

The police were clearly just Just looking for her, no more.

[dynamark]

Hell no .Only went out with her a couple of times I am reliably assured.
Missing minor though hadnt been home for a couple of days so his name was obviously mentioned.The police went to the club where he was playing snooker to question him .They always take this type of stuff seriously.

[navyblueshorts]

Anyone see the Saville programme last nite? Guilty as. Even Esther Rantzen admitted that it was true and that no-one said anything.

Must be true then if Esther said so .

[incontinentia]

Not sure if you're being sarcastic there navy but the victims seemed very genuine aswell. And it wasn't Martin Bashir type trash, the guy who presented the show used to work for the police and was quite balanced in his presentation. Looks like mysti was right!

[mystiroakey]

And your shocked?

[dynamark]

How has Max Clifford missed out on this?Think of the money the rags would pay.
50 years since 'love me dooo'.Wonder if the Beatles and Stones ever met any underage girls.

[mystiroakey]

You wonder- I am 95% sure some off them have 'met' underage girls.. But they are rock stars- not freaky peodos that live with there mother and havent had real intimate relationships with anyone but there mother

[dynamark]

True.Quite a bit of it about sadly.Church ministers,schoolteachers,scoutmaster
(not all of course)but generally people in a position of trust.Interesting that years ago organisations like the scouts would gladly accept help from parents and relatives.Now that would involve training course,records checks etc.same with being a school governer so some progress has been made shame its neccesary.

[mystiroakey]

I went to private school. And 2 teachers that taught at my school were convicted of kiddy fiddling at a later date

I even saw one 5 years ago in a supermarket- He was only convicted 2 years before then!! Ermm all abit strange if you ask me..

[incontinentia]

Not shocked at all mysti, just pointing out your gut instinct seems to have been correct.

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