West Indies in Bangladesh 2012

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The first test between West Indies and Bangladesh is geting underway tomorrow.
Bangladesh are back in test action almost after a year, and for the series will give a chance to build on the recent good record, the win in the world T-20 was huge and before that they won the test, ODI and T-20I series against New Zealand.
For Bangladesh as usual a great deal will depend on Shakib Al Hasan. Tamim Iqbal and captain Mushfiqur Rahim are the other key players and I am looking forward to yourg Nasir Hosain's perforamcnes, hopefully the lad wil get a chance to bat up the order and captain should make more use of his bowling.
West Indies have picked a 15 member squad for their first engagement after becoming the World T-20 champions. They are playing 2 tests against Bangladesh. Guyana left -arm spinner Veerasammy Permaul (23), who led the A team against India early this year is the only new face in the squad. Adrian Barath is dropped, and there is a recall for Kirk Edwards who was dropped after his horrer show in England during the summer. Darren Bravo is back after missing the New Zealand series with injury. Fidel Edwards, who was dropped from the original squad was recalled following an injury to Kemar Roach.
Squad
Darren Sammy (capt), Denesh Ramdin (vice-capt), Tino Best, Darren Bravo, Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Narsingh Deonarine, Kirk Edwards, Assad Fudadin, Chris Gayle, Sunil Narine, Veerasammy Permaul, Kieran Powell, Ravi Rampaul, Fidel Edwards, Marlon Samuels

Tino Best is turning it on for the West Indies. He has nipped out 2 more in quick succession as both Shahriar Nafees and importantly, Shakib Al Hasan are gone to leave Bangladesh struggling at 55-4. Their chances of winning this are fast disappearing. They do bat deep, but this is getting dificult by the minute.

Tino comes back and gets the Bangladesh captain after Mushfiqur and Naeem put up a bit of resistance.

Yet another 4th innings collapse is depriving Bangladesh here, 119-7, with Mahmudullah the only remaining batsman of note.

Another 38 overs to survive or score 126 runs, very dificult from here on.

windies steal victory, yet again Bangladesh pull of a huge bottle job!

The 2nd start has got underway.
A couple of changes for Bangladesh, Nazimuddin in for Junaid Siddique and Abul Hasan in for Shahadat Hossain. The West Indies have brought in Fedel Edwards in place of Ravi Rampaul. Rampaul has an injury concern. But Shivnarine Chanderpaul is fit and playing.
Bangladesh won the toss and are batting. The first of the changes they brought about hasn't worked in the first innings at least, Nazimuddin gone just for 4, Fidel the wicket taker for the West Indies. Tamim Iqbal and Shahriar Nafees at the crease.

Bangladesh 64-1. 50 partnership up between Tamim Iqbal and Shahriar Nafees. Unlike the frenetic style they adopted in the first innings of the first test, they are batting with greater sense so far.

Oh, wrote that a touch early, Shahriar plays at one from Sammy that he should have left alone and edgs behind. 64-2.

Bangladesh 88-3 at lunch. Naeem Islam on 15 and Shakib Al Hasan on 8 at the creas. Captain Darren Sammy with the big wicket of Tamim Iqbal just before lunch, leaving one alone only to be bowled.

Naeem Islam may have been confident after his hundred in the last match. But unlike during that knock, he has been playing a few more shots, that too early in hist innings and is now out for 16, bowled, dragging one from Edwards on to the stumps. Bangladesh 93-4. Shakib and captin Mushfiqur have a job in their hands.

Now Shakib goes for 17. Bangladesh in big trouble here. This pitch is a good pitch, Edwards at his pace is managing to get the ball through well, nothing more than that, but he has now taken 3 wickets. Nasir Hossain is joined his captain. Bangladesh struggling at 106-5.

Oh, after playing a very impressive hand, Nassir Hossain goes, he had put on 85 with his captain but after reaching his 50, played a rather careless shot to hold out to mid-on just before tea. He goes for 52 and Bangladesh 185-6. This has to be a fine day's work for West Indies, by no means is it a 6 wickets before tea pitch. Mahmudullah comes in at 8, one good thing with this Bangladesh side is that they bat deep. Mahmudullah has been among the runs and batted well in the last test, he now has to show good temprament and resolve to fight it out for his team with his captain.

Bangladesh go into tea at 186-6. They should be very disappointed with the score at this stage, particularly after they won the toss and decided to bat on a good pitch.

msp83 wrote:Bangladesh go into tea at 186-6. They should be very disappointed with the score at this stage, particularly after they won the toss and decided to bat on a good pitch.

355/8 now is some revival. Debutant number 10 Abul Hassan on 95 off 95 balls, with Madmudullah supporting(!) well on 68. If you'd offered them that at start of play I think they'd have taken it. 168 run stand at run-a-ball.

Take a bow young Abul Hasan!

Terrific fightback from Bangladesh. 365-8 at stumps on day one, after struggling at 193-8. An unbeaten 172 runs partnership between Mahmudullah and debutant Abul Hasan who scores a fine counterattacking hundred from number 10 to get his test career going. He reached his hundred in the last over of the day after going through a couple of nervy moments. 365 gives their bowlers something to bowl at. Hopefully these 2 can go on for some time more and stretch that total further. Unlike in the past, Bangladesh has shown a bit more fighting quality in this series. And importantly, they have now done it in 2 tests in a row.

if you dont know this series is shown live CH 834 on sky.

watched from tea, Abul played great, played like a batsman, mahmadullah did well for his 72 off 89, but he's a batsman with decent scores to his name. Abul's previous highest first class score was 61, started off looking like he wouldn't make double figures.

Narine has no mystery in test, if a number 10 starts picking his variations, one has to question his prospect in the longer format of the game.

Narine's first year in test cricket isn't really going to plans as yet. He has really struggled to have any impact in this series so far.

Incredible from a number 10. Just a few months after Tino's 95 as well!

Only the 4th ever hundred by a number 10, 117 is the highest ever score by a number 10 and that was in 1884!

Narine hasn't made the mark in tests as expected of him

never thought narine would be great in tests, he bowls too short and is struggling since batsmen don't have the pressure of scoring quickly

Where is Devendra Bishoo? Permaul also doesn't look quite test class in my view. Bishoo was a propper leggy, as the usual case with leggies, he has had issues with consistency in terms of line and length, but he even managed to trouble sub-continent batsmen. Don't think the West selectors and management have deld with him very well and his confidence might be down. Permaul did well against the India A side touring, so fair enough for the chance he got, but they shouldn't leave Bishoo out in the cold for long, he could be a real match winner, he needs propper management.

shillingford and Suleman Benare also good.

Narine needs to adjust his length and temperament and he will be handful .

Bowlers like Narine and Ashwin suffer from having to be too innovative on flat IPL pitches syndrome

But KPF, unlike Ashwin, Narine also suffers from the Harbhajan Symdrome. The moment he's hit for a boundary, the pace goes up and the trajectory becomes flat. Unlike Bhaji though, Narine's 'Don't Hit Me' length is a bit short with fielders saving runs. But yes, he has played only 4 tests before this and his first class experience is also very limited. He should be given more time before we pass any judgement on him.

msp83 wrote:But KPF, unlike Ashwin, Narine also suffers from the Harbhajan Symdrome. The moment he's hit for a boundary, the pace goes up and the trajectory becomes flat. Unlike Bhaji though, Narine's 'Don't Hit Me' length is a bit short with fielders saving runs. But yes, he has played only 4 tests before this and his first class experience is also very limited. He should be given more time before we pass any judgement on him.

Narine has talent more than Ajmal...needs a good coach and some solid FC cricket to work with to devleop consistency and patience.

he is the bowling equivalent of Morgan, Raina types whose exceptional talent is so accilimitized to shorter variety that they render themselves misfit for test cricket

KP_fan wrote:

msp83 wrote:But KPF, unlike Ashwin, Narine also suffers from the Harbhajan Symdrome. The moment he's hit for a boundary, the pace goes up and the trajectory becomes flat. Unlike Bhaji though, Narine's 'Don't Hit Me' length is a bit short with fielders saving runs. But yes, he has played only 4 tests before this and his first class experience is also very limited. He should be given more time before we pass any judgement on him.

Narine has talent more than Ajmal...needs a good coach and some solid FC cricket to work with to devleop consistency and patience.

he is the bowling equivalent of Morgan, Raina types whose exceptional talent is so accilimitized to shorter variety that they render themselves misfit for test cricket

In longer formats I don't see how you can say that, I highly doubt Narine ever becomes as good as Ajmal in test match cricket.

It has to be said though, the pitches aren't all that good for bowlers, Shakib also struggled in the first test, but Gazi outplayed both. but he is completely different, he gives the bowl more flight and is very tall

KO-KING wrote:

KP_fan wrote:

msp83 wrote:But KPF, unlike Ashwin, Narine also suffers from the Harbhajan Symdrome. The moment he's hit for a boundary, the pace goes up and the trajectory becomes flat. Unlike Bhaji though, Narine's 'Don't Hit Me' length is a bit short with fielders saving runs. But yes, he has played only 4 tests before this and his first class experience is also very limited. He should be given more time before we pass any judgement on him.

Narine has talent more than Ajmal...needs a good coach and some solid FC cricket to work with to devleop consistency and patience.

he is the bowling equivalent of Morgan, Raina types whose exceptional talent is so accilimitized to shorter variety that they render themselves misfit for test cricket

In longer formats I don't see how you can say that, I highly doubt Narine ever becomes as good as Ajmal in test match cricket.

I didn't talk about formats....pure and sheer raw talent.....turns his off breaks more......and also Narine can get his doosra to go much more and with far lesser change or I would say absolutely nil change to his action.

longer version temperament is what he needs to develop throuhg coaching and a string FC season

what a knock, batting at 10 on debut!!

Bangladesh finished their first innings at 387. Abul Hasan made 113 and Mahmudullah 76. Fidel Edwards finished with 6 wickets and captain Darren Sammy took 3.
West Indies in reply have lost both their openers. Chris Gayle was caught down the leg side for 25 by wicketkeeper Rahim of the bowling of Sohag Gazi, and Rubel Hossain dismissed last matches twin centurion Kieran Powell for 13. West Indies 60-2.

Samuels and Bravo are involved in a big partnership and both are passed 50. West Indies 180-2. A wicket looks the unlikeliest thing for Bangladesh.
But it has so far been slow going from West Indies, and thanks to that historic knock from Abul Hasan and that 9th wicket partnership, Bangladesh have a fairly decent score on the board. West Indies may not rech there before lunch tomorrow, and then they will have to continue to bat well for another couple more sessions to build it into a big lead.

Inspite of the No10 scoring a historic 100...odd are on BD losing the test...they always do.....crumble from good situations because of their inability to sustain quality cricket over 5 days

another awfully flat wicket

At lunch on day 3, West Indies have reached 369-3, just 18 short of the Bangladesh total. Marlon Samuels is not out on 191. Bravo went for 127, Sohag Gazi with the wicket. But not much relief for Bangladesh, all that wicket did was to bring Shivnarine Chanderpaul out to the middle.

Thought Marlon Samuels was going to remain an unforfiled talent, but since his return he's finally shown his true class.

3rd Test hundred this year. This brilliant 200 today.

I'm hoping he carries on this great form for another 18-24 months.

The Samuels come back story is baffling - he's gone from somebody whose place in the team was far from secure and seemed to have major issues with getting bogged down against spin to a world class player within the course of months.

The runs in England seem to have done wonders for his confidence.

the types of scores being raked up on BD pithces are an insult to the game and to the type of efforts that Cook did in T1 and Pujara in T2......I rarely have been able to sustain interest in BD games.

Looking at the stature of players in this millenium should be woith an autocorrection factor that discounts the runs and wickets vs. BD and Zim ( post 2004)

Pitch supposed to get bowler friendly quickly in day 4/5. Watched the early overs (couldn't sleep around 4am), BD bowlers bowled in good lines and lengths, but pitch was terrible, few edges early on were dying before going to the slip fielders.

'Autocorrection factor that discounts the runs and wickets vs. BD and Zim ( post 2004)' - I disagree with this, sometimes bowlers are on top and a player has a great innings, E.g. Ponting Carried Aus to narrow victory over BD few years ago, Tendulkar was the only one who played well made 100 to take to 240 or something

KO-KING wrote:Pitch supposed to get bowler friendly quickly in day 4/5. Watched the early overs (couldn't sleep around 4am), BD bowlers bowled in good lines and lengths, but pitch was terrible, few edges early on were dying before going to the slip fielders.

'Autocorrection factor that discounts the runs and wickets vs. BD and Zim ( post 2004)' - I disagree with this, sometimes bowlers are on top and a player has a great innings, E.g. Ponting Carried Aus to narrow victory over BD few years ago, Tendulkar was the only one who played well made 100 to take to 240 or something

Great men are also remebered for their occasional failures and medicores for their occasional successes

It's the latter part in bold that is used to cite an occasional odd spell of bresnan...a 50 scored by Patel somehwere to keep picking them for 20 more games.

same rationale applies to BD......an odd competitive day or session in their history is quoted..... everytime cheapness of abundant performances against them are pointed out.

Narine has been bitterly dissaponting in test cricket!!

however his counterpart Gazi, looks very impressive.

CF wrote:Narine has been bitterly dissaponting in test cricket!!

however his counterpart Gazi, looks very impressive.

ok...

one day sqauds have been announced..

Shakib has withdrawn from Bangladesh squad, Roach is in for windies.

CF wrote:one day sqauds have been announced..

Shakib has withdrawn from Bangladesh squad, Roach is in for windies.

Shakib averages in mid 30's with the bat and 28 with the bowl, he is one of the best players in the world in ODI's, without him BD chances are terrible, not even competitive. Won't be suprised if BD go 2-0 down, Shakib will come back into the series

BD walk over WI, upset considering there was no shakib, BD playerd 4 debutants

WI - 199
BD won with 7 wickets remaining, tamim made 50, haque (debut) made 40 something, naeem islam made 50, nasir made 28, Mushfiq supported naeem,

Qazi took 4 on debut

Bangladesh go 2-0 up with their largest ever win, thrashing the WI by 160 runs with almost 19 overs remaining in the West Indies innings.
Youngster Anamul Hak scored a tone and the captain Mushfiqur Rahim scored 79. Then Masharfe Mortaza got Chris Gayle to cap a good match for him after blitzing 18 of just 6 balls at the end of the Bangladesh Innings. Then the Bangladesh spinners took over and Sohag Gazi and Abdur Razzak finished off the job with support from Naeem Islam and Mahmudullah.

KO-KING wrote:

CF wrote:one day sqauds have been announced..

Shakib has withdrawn from Bangladesh squad, Roach is in for windies.

Shakib averages in mid 30's with the bat and 28 with the bowl, he is one of the best players in the world in ODI's, without him BD chances are terrible, not even competitive. Won't be suprised if BD go 2-0 down, Shakib will come back into the series

damn was I wrong

ODI highlights at 7 ch 834

well done Bangladesh....KO-KING. even if bangladesh were losing the series, shakib wouldnt have come back, as he pulled out through injury.

CF wrote:well done Bangladesh....KO-KING. even if bangladesh were losing the series, shakib wouldnt have come back, as he pulled out through injury.

I know he was injured, he hasn't not played in 4 and a half years, he was injure many times, but needed to play to carry the team, last time they destroyed NZ, they had tamim - another big player missing - now Shakib missing they are playing well, maybe the other players taking more responsibilities

The 3rd ODI between Bangladesh and West Indies is going on. Bangladesh have a 2-0 lead in the series, but they are struggling at the moment in the 3rd match. 90-4 after 19 overs. Sunil Narine making a real impact in the tour for the first time, claiming 3 wickets. Captain Mushfiqur Rahim is batting with Momin Ul Hak.

174-7 40 overs, BD can defend about 220 on this pitch