England Squad for the AUTUMN INTERNATIONALS

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Forwards:
Mouritz Botha (Saracens)
Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers)
James Haskell (London Wasps)
Phil Dowson (Northampton Saints)
Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints)
Tom Johnson (Exeter Chiefs)
Courtney Lawes. (Northampton Saints)
Joe Marler (Harlequins)
Ben Morgan (Gloucester Rugby)
Tom Palmer (London Wasps)
Geoff Parling (Leicester Tigers)
Chris Robshaw (Harlequins)
Mako Vunipola (Saracens)
Thomas Waldrom (Leicester Tigers)
David Wilson (Bath Rugby)
Tom Wood (Northampton Saints)
Tom Youngs (Leicester Tigers)

Backs:
Anthony Allen (Leicester Tigers)
Chris Ashton (Saracens)
Brad Barritt (Saracens)
Mike Brown (Harlequins)
Danny Care (Harlequins)
Lee Dickson (Northampton Saints)
Owen Farrell (Saracens)
Toby Flood (Leicester Tigers)
Alex Goode (Saracens)
Jonathan Joseph (London Irish)
Ugo Monye (Harlequins)
Charlie Sharples (Gloucester Rugby)
Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers)
Jordan Turner-Hall (Harlequins)
Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers)

Watch highlights of Barritt vs Edinburgh for his ability with ball in hand.

He knocks away Denton with ease from a standing start.

Instrumental in the first Saracens try.

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MOM vs Saints. 13 tackles, 0 misses.

Beshocked...

Im not questioning that he can do it...im just saying we need to start seeing it at Int Level.
But as ive defended him before...its difficult when hes called on to defend so much.

Lets hope the team as a whole can improve that aspect...and Barritt can show the doubters that he really is a quality 12...

I think when he's getting better ball from an improving pack (I think we are) and backrow (Robshaw is getting better on the floor) and an inform attacking SH and FH both with a quick pass and the ability to play flat, Barritt will show off his attacking ability. I have faith

I have faith too

Barritt's performance against Edinburgh was excellent.

Geordiefalcon I agree.

The difficulty of selecting backs for England is that they generally come from the top 4 sides who are used to being on the front foot with dominant packs.

Chequeredjersey glad you have faith.

I think it's going to be tough for him to change his defensive juggernaut perception.

GeordieFalcon wrote:Slightly off topic...but has the Summer tour 2013 been picked yet.

Im assuming itll be a developement team even though judging by the lions threads we wont be sending many so its means some of the seniors might get a nice summer off and a few of the fringe youngsters could get blooded.

But wheres the tour gonig?

I'm sure i read somewhere that they're going to Argentina? Maybe Argiefan can confirm this?

EDIT: BBC confirms England tours to Argentina on Lions years 2013 and 2017. Here.

Thanks EE

Well as i imagine the Lions wont be flooded with many from the current England squad...we could either

A) Send a strong team down there...

or

B) Take the opportuity to rest several key seniors who've played lots of rugby and give the young fringe players a chance to make their mark in a tough rugby environment...and improve our strength in depth in several critical areas where we have NONE...like hooker, TH prop etc...

GeordieFalcon wrote:Thanks EE

Well as i imagine the Lions wont be flooded with many from the current England squad...we could either

A) Send a strong team down there...

or

B) Take the opportuity to rest several key seniors who've played lots of rugby and give the young fringe players a chance to make their mark in a tough rugby environment...and improve our strength in depth in several critical areas where we have NONE...like hooker, TH prop etc...

Think we will go mostly young with some experience in there too

I think we will definitely send young Hookers and props because I am sure we will lose Cole at least to the Lions

Geordiefalcon I would go with the latter. Quite a few guys will be blooded in the Ais and 6 nations.

Think about it - when fully fit at loosehead we have Corbisiero,Marler,Vunipola,Mullan,Wood. Not bad at all.

Full back - Foden,Brown,Goode, even Abendanon,Miller and Armitage.

Billy Vunipola could be blooded at 8 etc.

COle will go with the LIons...if not then theres a serious rabbit away.

Think about it - when fully fit at loosehead we have Corbisiero,Marler,Vunipola,Mullan,Wood. Not bad at all.

The problem is who do we have at TH..beshocked?

Maybe someone Like Sinkler? Probably too early for Scott Wilson etc...hes not even a regular starter for us yet...

I'd like to see Youngs and Lindsay tour...as hookers

GeordieFalcon wrote:COle will go with the LIons...if not then theres a serious rabbit away.

I'd like to see Youngs and Lindsay tour...

And maybe someone Like Sinkler for TH etc?

I was going to say I think we will see at least Sinckler, Youngs, Gray, Harden, both Vunipolas, Launchbury, May, Wade and 36 and Burns all going to Argentina in some capacity

A bolter side to Argentina could look something like this

15.Homer
14.Wade
13.Lowe
12.Waldouck
11.Sharples
10.Burns
9.Simpson
8.Vunipola
7.Fraser
6.Gibson
5.Robson
4.Launchbury
3.PDJ
2.Youngs
1.Vunipola

Struggling at tighthead.

beshocked wrote:A bolter side to Argentina could look something like this

15.Homer
14.Wade
13.Lowe
12.Waldouck
11.Sharples
10.Burns
9.Simpson
8.Vunipola
7.Fraser
6.Gibson
5.Robson
4.Launchbury
3.PDJ
2.Youngs
1.Vunipola

Struggling at tighthead.

Wilson?

ChequeredJersey wrote:

beshocked wrote:A bolter side to Argentina could look something like this

15.Homer
14.Wade
13.Lowe
12.Waldouck
11.Sharples
10.Burns
9.Simpson
8.Vunipola
7.Fraser
6.Gibson
5.Robson
4.Launchbury
3.PDJ
2.Youngs
1.Vunipola

Struggling at tighthead.

Wilson?

Henry Thomas too? He's a tight-head I think?

ChequeredJersey wrote:

beshocked wrote:A bolter side to Argentina could look something like this

15.Homer
14.Wade
13.Lowe
12.Waldouck
11.Sharples
10.Burns
9.Simpson
8.Vunipola
7.Fraser
6.Gibson
5.Robson
4.Launchbury
3.PDJ
2.Youngs
1.Vunipola

Struggling at tighthead.

Wilson?

Is that the best that England can up with at tight head as back up to Cole? Wilson,PDJ and Sinkler? Must be someone obvious missing.

beshocked wrote:

ChequeredJersey wrote:

beshocked wrote:A bolter side to Argentina could look something like this

15.Homer
14.Wade
13.Lowe
12.Waldouck
11.Sharples
10.Burns
9.Simpson
8.Vunipola
7.Fraser
6.Gibson
5.Robson
4.Launchbury
3.PDJ
2.Youngs
1.Vunipola

Struggling at tighthead.

Wilson?

Is that the best that England can up with at tight head as back up to Cole? Wilson,PDJ and Sinkler? Must be someone obvious missing.

It's a world-wide problem- every country has a TH and some young pretenders with potential but there are very few genuine International quality back ups around

Yeah that would work though id like to see maybe...

15.Homer
14.Wade
13.Lowe
12.Twelvetrees
11.May
10.Burns
9.Simpson
8.Vunipola
7.Fraser
6.Fearns
5.Robson
4.Launchbury / Garvey - Both play a test
3.Davy Wilson? How barren are we here?
2.Youngs / Lindsay - Both Play a test
1.Vunipola

Youngs and Lindsay both need to get some gametime down there...and id like to see Fearns and Garvey get a chance to finally decide are they good enough or not.

Is that the best that England can up with at tight head as back up to Cole? Wilson,PDJ and Sinkler? Must be someone obvious missing

Beshocked, in a year or two...the real deal Scott Wilson will be there...learned from Carl Hayman himself...and very similar style...but at the moment we are very thin...Wilson has improved under Baths new regime though...and i always rated him...just he seemed to go backwards for a while...