World Rugby Rankings

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Current World Rankings

IRB Rankings at
http://www.worldrugby.org/rankings#mru

Fixtures according to http://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/fixtures/_/league/180659/

Best odds for each result category from a range of bookies as at http://www.oddschecker.com/rugby-union/six-nations

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Saturday, March 18

Scotland v Italy 12:30 PM -- BT Murrayfield, Edinburgh

sco (on 82.18 points) at home -vs- ita (on 71.17 points)

If sco win by 1-15 points 0.000 82.18 71.17 No
If sco win by more than 15 0.000 82.18 71.17 No
If result is a draw 1.000 81.18 72.17 No
If ita win by 1-15 points 2.000 80.18 73.17 No
If ita win by more than 15 3.000 79.18 74.17 No

Scotland (1/16)
Draw (66/1)
Italy (15/1)

France v Wales 2:45 PM -- Stade de France, Saint-Denis

fra (on 81.21 points) at home -vs- wal (on 82.16 points)

If fra win by 1-15 points 0.795 82.00 81.36 Yes
If fra win by more than 15 1.193 82.40 80.97 Yes
If result is a draw 0.205 81.00 82.36 No
If wal win by 1-15 points 1.205 80.00 83.36 No
If wal win by more than 15 1.807 79.40 83.97 No

France (8/13)
14:45TV
 

France (8/13)
Draw (25/1)
Wales (13/8)

Ireland v England 5:00 PM -- Aviva Stadium, Dublin

ire (on 83.18 points) at home -vs- eng (on 91.02 points)

If ire win by 1-15 points 1.484 84.66 89.54 No
If ire win by more than 15 2.226 85.41 88.79 No
If result is a draw 0.484 83.66 90.54 No
If eng win by 1-15 points 0.516 82.66 91.54 No
If eng win by more than 15 0.774 82.41 91.79 No

Ireland (6/4)
Draw (25/1)
England (9/13)



Original thread:
https://www.606v2.com/t12724p950-irb-world-rankings-part-1


Sources:
Fixtures : http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/fixtures/4776295.stm
IRB Rankings : http://www.espn.co.uk/scrum/rugby/match/fixtures/international.html
Rankings explanation : http://www.irb.com/rankings/explain/index.html
Rankings archive : http://www.irb.com/rankings/archive/index.html
Fixtures : http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/current/match/scores/recent.html

Online calculator (Courtesy of Robbo277 (thanks)) : http://www.lassen.co.nz/pagmisc.php#hrh

It will have been a fairly decent run to win 8 in a row so would be it fair enough and hard-earned, robbo. One bridge at a time though.

So how's it looking just before the France-Scotland match?

1. NZL 90.08
2. RSA 86.94
3. AUS 86.87
4. ENG 83.72
5. WAL 83.36
6. FRA 81.31* (81.73... 78.73)
7. SAM 78.71
8. ARG 78.71
9. IRE 78.05
10. SCO 77.15* (79.72... 76.72)
11. ITA 76.05

Just noticed the gap between the SH and NH got wider.


From 1.57 to 2.62
Southern Rocks!

Mind the gap.

Shouldn't it be 83.72 for England and 83.36 for Wales following the game.

blackcanelion wrote:Shouldn't it be 83.72 for England and 83.36 for Wales following the game.

By God you're right, cane. Fixed it above.

So the gap is 3.15 points now.

Interesting, just worked out that if France win the series this summer they can overtake NZ.

blackcanelion wrote:Interesting, just worked out that if France win the series this summer they can overtake NZ.

Have you?
How?

It would have to be 0-3 wouldn't it? Is 1-2 enough?

I think NZ should win comfortably anyway.

crazy to think the teams ranked 3rd 4th and 5th are all in the same world cup group.

Linebreaker wrote:It would have to be 0-3 wouldn't it? Is 1-2 enough?

I think NZ should win comfortably anyway.

I think you're right. Didn't save it and can't be bothered again. I have a feeling 2 big wins and a narrow loss might do it also. Can't see it. Should be a good series though. France coming off a disaterous 6 nations, looking for revenge for '11 and worried about a pasting. NZ coming off a big loss to England with a point to prove. Should have an edge.

If anyone can supply me with link to a comprehensive list of upcoming internationals, I'd be happy to prepare an up-coming IRB list.

But with five possible IRB rankings outcomes for each game, it's problematical to start predicting likely outcomes beyond one match per team at a time.

To predict two games in advance for say wal v nzl and eng v arg, there are 50 different combinations of possible outcomes.

New OP to end of Lions' Tour and a bit beyond (end of August).

viewtothegym wrote:crazy to think the teams ranked 3rd 4th and 5th are all in the same world cup group.

3rd, 4th and 5th at the moment

I've just noticed that England's summer tour to Argentina is not on ESPN's list.

It's not on the RFU site either.

Are they full internationals?

HammerofThunor wrote:

viewtothegym wrote:crazy to think the teams ranked 3rd 4th and 5th are all in the same world cup group.

3rd, 4th and 5th at the moment

Yep true but i wouldn't be surprised to see them in a similar situation come RWC 2015

Its pretty ridiculas tbh..

But there you go.. Kind of silly to seed based on a days rankings as well..

Seeding should be done based on more factors.. last two WC's - last one carrying more weighting and rankings..

As its done for most sports..

Well, this makes a little better reading than before the six nations anyway. Also, I bet England and Australia are not looking forward to facing Wales in the next world cup, that group could see the hosts going out in the group stages, and before people start I said could not should. I think who ever wins our group will get to the final.

3 of the top 5 teams in the game in one group- its frieking ridiculas..

Blame Wales for this situation picking out of form players, wrong tactics and playing 4 physical games resulting in injuries lowering Wales ranking. I suspect Wales are quite happy having less physical teams in their group i.e., not having their heads knocked off with dangerous tackles.

Out of interest is there any allowance given for the British and Irish teams matches during a Lions tour? I cant imagine that there is, but these summer tours could badly effect the rankings of England and/or Scotland who IMO face far more difficult summers with their depleted squad than say Wales or Ireland do with theirs. Argentina away is tough at the best of times and while Scotland possibly wont have many missing, they will be the better players.

'fraid not hj.

As the Lions is a multinational outfit, rankings points are not available to the team. Nor for Australia as there would be no basis of points exchange for the calculations.

For the (overcomplicated) explanation of the methodology, see top of page.

Yeah i get the fact that no points can be earned or lost in the Lions tests. To be honest, until the situation with Wales and their WC qualification issues in the autumn, i had no real interest in who was ranked where, i knew who i thought were better than who by what i saw with my own eyes and i watch a lot of rugby. If, however, the unions themselves care about them, im thinking the Welsh and Irish unions have organised their schedules with more sense than the English or the Scots. This of course all depends on what actually happens in the summer.

hjumpshoe wrote:Out of interest is there any allowance given for the British and Irish teams matches during a Lions tour? I cant imagine that there is, but these summer tours could badly effect the rankings of England and/or Scotland who IMO face far more difficult summers with their depleted squad than say Wales or Ireland do with theirs. Argentina away is tough at the best of times and while Scotland possibly wont have many missing, they will be the better players.

The nation they play also doesn't get affected by the wins and losses

Biltong wrote:

hjumpshoe wrote:Out of interest is there any allowance given for the British and Irish teams matches during a Lions tour? I cant imagine that there is, but these summer tours could badly effect the rankings of England and/or Scotland who IMO face far more difficult summers with their depleted squad than say Wales or Ireland do with theirs. Argentina away is tough at the best of times and while Scotland possibly wont have many missing, they will be the better players.

The nation they play also doesn't get affected by the wins and losses

No i realise that mate. My point was more about the NH teams consisting of the ones left behind by The Lions. As a welshman, im quite glad we're touring Japan rather than Argentina this summer. Saying that mind, the young English players will probably learn more about International rugby than their Welsh counterparts in their matches.(win or lose!)

HJumpie- rankings arnt important anymore..

There were pre world cup draw.. Better to play better matches at the moment

mystiroakey wrote:HJumpie- rankings arnt important anymore..

There were pre world cup draw.. Better to play better matches at the moment

Yeah you're probably right mate and as i said before i never cared much for them anyway. I'm starting to think England may have got it about right, given the experience their younger lads may gain this summer. As long as they don't get a tonking!

Well yeah i suppose- if we get battered its not going to help..

Updated after the weekend matches.

Official table updated.

Scotland slip down a notch.

England are closing in on spot 2..

About time as well. That is our position

mystiroakey wrote:England are closing in on spot 2..

About time as well. That is our position

No chance of England displacing even Oz just yet, mys

OP updated.

England rapidly sealing their spot as the dominant Northern Hemisphere nation, the slip-up in Cardiff seemingly not mattering a jot - consistency is the key. Another +15 win over the Argies next weekend will see us closer to 3rd spot than 5th.

I would rather have the Grand Slam.

Well we can hope for that next year!

But there may be a chance at getting to no2 before then if we can win the rest of the games this year.. Which we will. NZ will be beaten again as well..

Who will win in 2015 seeing as you're so sure about results oakey?

I'll be interested to see who wins between italy and samoa as italy did much better then the scoreline showed

100% eNGLALND KIA!

I can't fault your enthusiasm mate. A long way to claiming the number two spot though. Definitely building nicely though and if Lancaster gets selections right and the team starts to get consistent results by no means impossible.

Kia I am off course typing with my tounge half in my cheek about the no.2 spot..

England will more likely be no.1 within 2 years..

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:Whatever helps you sleep at night.

...keeps kia awake with worry

I have no problem sleeping Kia..

I will be in spain next week though. Is it hot in madrid?

Mate it's been rubbish weather of late. Rained last weekend. Been in the 20s a few times. You've chosen a good week to come. Temperatures are rising this week. Hitting the low 30s with 18 minimum. Much more like it.

Grey tiger after 2011 I sleep like a baby again.

Scotland, Italy, Samoa...... when they play each other in SA, how are the ranking points determined since none of the three are at Home?

Sorry if thats a dumb question?

RDSguru wrote:Scotland, Italy, Samoa...... when they play each other in SA, how are the ranking points determined since none of the three are at Home?

Sorry if thats a dumb question?

An allowance is i the calculations RDS. The IRB rankings is based on a nominal points exchange and an allowance is made for games played on neutral territory. If you look in the OP, you'll notice that it's included in the up-coming matches.

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:Mate it's been rubbish weather of late. Rained last weekend. Been in the 20s a few times. You've chosen a good week to come. Temperatures are rising this week. Hitting the low 30s with 18 minimum. Much more like it.

Grey tiger after 2011 I sleep like a baby again.

Nice one!

Well done Japan but one more point and that would have been max points exchange.
OP updated.

So Wales drop below France, while France can't lose any points away to New Zealand