1872 Cup Match Thread - Glasgow V Edinburgh

by **RDW** Wed 19 Dec 2012, 1:43 pm

First topic message reminder :

The 1872 Cup: Friday 21 August (kick-off 7.35pm) – live on BBC ALBA

Edinburgh Yahoo

15 Greig Tonks

14 Lee Jones
13 Matt Scott
12 James King
11 Tim Visser

10 Piers Francis
9 Greig Laidlaw CAPTAIN

1 Allan Jacobsen
2 Ross Ford
3 Willem Nel
4 Grant Gilchrist
5 Izak van der Westhuizen
6 David Denton
7 Roddy Grant
8 Stuart McInally

Substitutes
16 Andy Titterrell
17 John Yapp
18 Geoff Cross
19 Sean Cox
20 Netani Talei
21 Richie Rees
22 Ben Atiga
23 Dougie Fife

Glasgow boxing

1 Grant
2 MacArthur
3 Low
4 Kellock
5 Swinson
6 Harley
7 Fusaro
8 Wilson

9 Niko
10 Jackson
11 DTH
12 Horne
13 Lamont
14 Maitland
15 Murchie

16 Hall
17 Reid
18 Araoz
19 Gray
20 Eddie
21 Pyrgos
22 Weir
23 Hogg

Glasgow have won the cup 3 years in a row - can Edinburgh reverse the tide? Current form suggests no, but with this being the only thing left in the season to play for there's always a chance. Glasgow need wins to keep momentum in the Rabbo, and Edinburgh can overtake Glasgow in the league if they win both legs (unlikely).

Bring it on!!!!!

by **RDW** Fri 21 Dec 2012, 9:42 pm

Yeah I reckon Hogg has had the curse that befalls a lot of Scots young pro players - they make them pile on the beef! Same has happened to Matt Scott but he still looks sharp.

Agreed on Weir - he was infinitely better than Jackson and I'd be quite happy with Laidlaw-Weir in the 6N.

Will be depressed if it's Jackson!

by Majestic83 Fri 21 Dec 2012, 9:47 pm

That would be my favoured starting 9 and 10 for the 6 nations, Laidlaw looks a lot more comfortable at 9 and weir looked good.

Agree also on Hogg, definitely lost his spark and step a bit. Could do with getting a specialist sprint/speed coach in to work with the pro teams. Could be a job for Thom Evans to do a few sessions.
All good and well bulking up but the pro teams seem to forget about keeping the muscles agile. Can remember being at a weights session with edinburgh 3 or 4 years ago and a couple of the players struggled to bend down to tie their trainers they had got that unsupple with all the weights!

by MacKnocked-on Fri 21 Dec 2012, 10:10 pm

Shame Nico is a Fiji player and not one of our 'projects' isn't it, really class scrumhalf, best in Scotland by a long shot.
Come the 6n I think we should persist with Weir and Heathcote as our 10s, Jackson simply not good enough I'm afraid.

by **RDW** Fri 21 Dec 2012, 10:23 pm

See that the crowd was only 6000 tonight - why can't Glasgow get bigger crowds? Surely that game should have been an easy sell out and then some.

by GLove39 Fri 21 Dec 2012, 10:32 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:See that the crowd was only 6000 tonight - why can't Glasgow get bigger crowds? Surely that game should have been an easy sell out and then some.

Sad thing is I think that was capacity. The stands they had at both ends of the pitch didn't look as big as the ones for the 7's. Should have tried to get 10k

by **RDW** Fri 21 Dec 2012, 10:33 pm

Think the capacity with the extra stand is 7000 odd. There were definitely a lot of empty seats!

maybe people who were at the game can let us know.

by GLove39 Fri 21 Dec 2012, 10:35 pm

That's very disappointing then if that's the case.
Wonder what sort of crowd Edinburgh will get next week? Surely they should be aiming for over 10k minimum

by **RDW** Fri 21 Dec 2012, 10:37 pm

it was 12k last year so hopefully something similar.

by 123skelm Fri 21 Dec 2012, 10:47 pm

forgot to record the game where can you get highlights???

by Majestic83 Fri 21 Dec 2012, 11:15 pm

highlights are on stv in about 2mins

by 123skelm Sat 22 Dec 2012, 12:03 am

Merci Majestic, great to see it as play down the far side from main stand was hard to see.

Great result.

by 21st Century Schizoid Man Sat 22 Dec 2012, 12:21 am

We will not gloat because we should have hammered the arse off a woeful MFL team, who with the exception of Laidlaw were a disgrace. Harley now owns Denton - British Lion don't make me laugh. Visser another nonentity performance . Would have DTH VDM anytime over the overatted Dutchman. That guy Francis took his try well but otherwise rubbish. One of the 20 Edinburgh fans in the crowd near me was going mental at him. Tonks did nothing wrong but Lee Jones is feckin woeful. Take that diddy ponce of a referee out of it and we would have run up 50 easy.
The MFLs better hope that Laidlaw doesn't get injured otherwise they are utterly fecked !

by 21st Century Schizoid Man Sat 22 Dec 2012, 12:27 am

Great performance by Big Al and Tim Swinson and MacArthur, Low and Ryan Grant destroyed them up front. Is that why Ross Ford wimped out early on? Probably - he is going backwards at a rate of knots. Good to see Jonny Gray come on and get stuck in. Also The Jedi was totally up for it - some staggering hits big chap.

by **RDW** Sat 22 Dec 2012, 9:34 am

21st - I know you won't listen but there wasn't much between Denton and Harley - they both did what they do best. Harley tackled a lot and Denton carried a lot! Apart from Harley giving away 4 penalties neither did anything wrong really, and similarly neither did anything particularly stand out!

by Dorothy_Mantooth Sat 22 Dec 2012, 10:14 am

I thought Harley did ok, buy to say he owned Denton is OTT.

Glasgow thoroughly deserved their win. McArthur must have real chance of starting in the 6 Nations. Swinson was excellent and DTH did what he does best! Sean Lamont did well at 13 also.

Weir needs to start for club and country and get Laidlaw to 9, thought he was Edinburgh's best performer.

Rory Lamont is back playing today for Dundee. So our options in the backs will grow.

by jimbopip Sat 22 Dec 2012, 11:51 am

Morning peeps. Glasgow deserved their win, if anything the result flattered the MFL's. Why does Grant always disappear in 1872 games? Laidlaw at 9 was very good and Bradley and Mad Oz should persevere with that. Glasgow should be eyeing up a bonus point win next week and when you factor in the players missing; Cussiter, Seymour, Dunbar, Cusack, Tynchie Ryder, Welsh, Barclay, Ramont. The future's so bright I gotta wear shades.
Can we call a Chrimbo truce for a few days?
RDW don't believe everything you read, or take yourself so seriously, unless MODERATOR means of the General Assembly of the Church of the Small Minded. We can call off the truce about the 27th, when I will be on a 24 fast prior to visiting the medicos- so I should be in a suitably cantankerous mood.
PS Jedi is coming onto his game is he not?

by **RDW** Sat 22 Dec 2012, 11:54 am

What you on about? what have I said that's wrong? Happy to be corrected...

by **George Carlin** Sat 22 Dec 2012, 12:08 pm

No wumming here, just a (genuine) disappointment that it wasn't a 5 point win instead of a 4 pointer. Not being facetious - if you score three tries in any first half, you should be aiming for a fourth but the fact they didn't get it is testimony to the MFLs waking up in the second half and giving it a good shake.

I have a VPN now so I can watch the highlights on STV Player now, just like in the good old days. Yahoo

by **RDW** Sat 22 Dec 2012, 12:40 pm

Got to agree George - Glasgow had us on the ropes and should have gone for the jugular. Edinburgh came back strong but I do think Glasgow eased off a little.

hope that lack of bp doesn't count against them come the end of the season.

in a strange way I kind of hope Glasgow finish the job next week - Scottish rugby needs some good news come the end of the season a lot more than Edinburgh need to salvage their pride. Plus it'll mean Bradley will hopefully get the sack!

by Imperialbigdave Sat 22 Dec 2012, 1:01 pm

On the Francis try, thats exactly what I like about King. Hes always had that ability to pull out a perfectly timed flat pass to put someone through untouched.

Other than that though, we were pretty clueless going forward. I just dont get why weve deviated from what worked so well for us last year.

by yappysnap Sat 22 Dec 2012, 7:37 pm

So then you gents looking forward to the Scots teams little trip down to Twickers in Feb?

I'm sure the England boys will figure out a way to give you all a warm welcome.

Will Maitland be Scots qualified by then?

by IanBru Sat 22 Dec 2012, 8:06 pm

yappysnap wrote:So then you gents looking forward to the Scots teams little trip down to Twickers in Feb?

Ha ha, always. Can't get our tiny heads around a train that goes underneath the land. Crazy stuff.

yappysnap wrote:Will Maitland be Scots qualified by then?

He already is, but I'm sure he'll have eaten at least three pieces of shortbread by February.

by 21st Century Schizoid Man Sat 22 Dec 2012, 10:56 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/20822479

Laidlaw being a wee sniveller ! naughty naughty boy ! Bet his Uncle Roy wouldn't have gobbed off like that.

by 21st Century Schizoid Man Sat 22 Dec 2012, 10:57 pm

naughty naughty boy ? FFS is said t0****!!!!

by Tramptastic Sun 23 Dec 2012, 12:55 pm

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/20822479

Laidlaw being a wee sniveller ! naughty naughty boy ! Bet his Uncle Roy wouldn't have gobbed off like that.

Think that's a wee bit harsh, he claims there was some blockers in the line which is fair enough because there were but aside from that he's very gracious admitting Glasgow were the better side and Edinburgh need to up their tempo and whatnot...

Wait a second, I just realised 21st is complaining about a scrum half gobbing off... Isn't that the whole point in a scrum half? Cusiter was always fantastic at it...

by TJ1 Sun 23 Dec 2012, 1:28 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:See that the crowd was only 6000 tonight - why can't Glasgow get bigger crowds? Surely that game should have been an easy sell out and then some.

It was effectively a sell out - I wanted tickets but couldn't get 4 together so didn't go. I think 6000 is the capacity is it not with more possible in temp stands. Dunno why they did not use the temp stands for this one tho

by 21st Century Schizoid Man Sun 23 Dec 2012, 2:10 pm

Notice Laidlaw didn't mention the tip tackles either ! Surprising eh ! And no-one from Glasgow did, not least Big Al K. As Alisdair Reid put it in the Herald that is Glasgow's team talk for Saturday done for them ! 1872 Cup Match Thread - Glasgow V Edinburgh - Page 3 3933776953

1872 Cup Match Thread - Glasgow V Edinburgh - Page 3 3933776953

by **RDW** Sun 23 Dec 2012, 2:10 pm

Fair enough, I just saw quite a lot of empty seats on tv!

by 21st Century Schizoid Man Sun 23 Dec 2012, 2:19 pm

Aye but not as many as there will be on Saturday RD Rolling Eyes

Anyway my e tickets came through. West End Masif on tour (mini obviously!)

by Dorothy_Mantooth Sun 23 Dec 2012, 3:42 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Fair enough, I just saw quite a lot of empty seats on tv!

Both permanent stands were sold out and an hour before the game the small temp stand had only a few tickets left. Game was not a sell out though as there was a hundred or so spaces in the enclosure left.

There were spaces but not much the club can do about people not turning up who had bought tickets.

There did not seem to be that many travelling support, certainly not as much as for the Ulster game. Is this the first year the Glasgow game has not been on Edinburgh season ticket?

by Dorothy_Mantooth Sun 23 Dec 2012, 3:53 pm

TJ wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:See that the crowd was only 6000 tonight - why can't Glasgow get bigger crowds? Surely that game should have been an easy sell out and then some.

It was effectively a sell out - I wanted tickets but couldn't get 4 together so didn't go. I think 6000 is the capacity is it not with more possible in temp stands. Dunno why they did not use the temp stands for this one tho

They did use the temp stands!

by TJ1 Sun 23 Dec 2012, 7:19 pm

I tried to get tickets. A couple of months ago not on sale. the first time I saw them on general sale there was no block of four left anywhere

by Janecory Mon 24 Dec 2012, 12:20 pm

The game was lost for Edinburgh by the halfbacks, there was no control or game-management between Laidlaw or Francis.
Oh ! and Laidlaws passing is not the best by far, good job Francis has long arms to stretch and catch above his head.

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Mon 24 Dec 2012, 12:59 pm

Janecory, I don't massively disagree with that, altho think the pack had a rough night for Edinbrgh, but I do worry if Scotland's foreseeable future at 9 is wee Greig (going on that display)

by Janecory Mon 24 Dec 2012, 1:30 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:Janecory, I don't massively disagree with that, altho think the pack had a rough night for Edinbrgh, but I do worry if Scotland's foreseeable future at 9 is wee Greig (going on that display)

In my view going on that display Laidlaw is definetly no better than Rees at 9.
Rees has had to play behind that rubbish pack all season.
If Laidlaw were Irish, Welsh or English, he would be no-where near playing 9 for any of those respective countries !
I think to many posters on this forum, have Laidlaw on a pedestal.

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Mon 24 Dec 2012, 1:38 pm

It is worth noting too that Glasgow got pretty much all their points in Lee Jones's channel, not that he was at fault for all - it I would be amazed if Bradley sticks with him form the next game

by Janecory Mon 24 Dec 2012, 1:43 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:It is worth noting too that Glasgow got pretty much all their points in Lee Jones's channel, not that he was at fault for all - it I would be amazed if Bradley sticks with him form the next game

Same team i would imagine bar injurys.
In my opinion Ed , were poor in the last game and changes should be made.
One being, Laidlaw is one of the most over-ated players in Scotland for doing nothing !
Anyone that disagrees are liars, or clueless !

by 21st Century Schizoid Man Mon 24 Dec 2012, 3:03 pm

Schlong Lamont and Rob Harley were both excellent btw Very Happy

by TJ1 Mon 24 Dec 2012, 4:20 pm

On Laidlaw - still playing well below the standard he reached last seasonal though getting closer to it. Something (Robinson???) destroyed his form and confidence between this time last year and the beginning of the season.

I thought it was a good game with some decent play by both sides but Edinburgh could not break down the Glasgow defence

by Janecory Mon 24 Dec 2012, 6:43 pm

TJ wrote:On Laidlaw - still playing well below the standard he reached last seasonal though getting closer to it. Something (Robinson???) destroyed his form and confidence between this time last year and the beginning of the season.

Explain, destroyed his form and confidence ?

by TJ1 Mon 24 Dec 2012, 8:09 pm

Something did. The Laidlaw who played last seasons HC matches for Edinburgh so well did not appear at the beginning of this season. An altogether poorer doppelgänger appeared in his stead Why? I dunno but a good few players came back to their clubs after international duty playing poorly. Something went wrong somewhere

by Janecory Mon 24 Dec 2012, 8:14 pm

TJ wrote:Something did. The Laidlaw who played last seasons HC matches for Edinburgh so well did not appear at the beginning of this season. An altogether poorer doppelgänger appeared in his stead Why? I dunno but a good few players came back to their clubs after international duty playing poorly. Something went wrong somewhere

But lets not kid ourselves, Laidlaw aint played well all season !

by TJ1 Mon 24 Dec 2012, 8:22 pm

Not this season no - although that was the best performance so far I thought. He is a playing so much worse than this time a year ago. Why?

by Tramptastic Mon 24 Dec 2012, 9:06 pm

I reckon they got arrogant! Laidlaw played well in the summer aye? 2 months away from Robinson on tour keeping up his form and he comes back into the new season off form? sounds like club coaching rather than national coaching did it for him...

by Tramptastic Mon 24 Dec 2012, 9:07 pm

Same with Denton - he missed the summer tour, new season starts and he's pretty off form - club coach not national coach!

by IanBru Mon 24 Dec 2012, 9:39 pm

Careful Tramp, don't let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory...

by Tramptastic Tue 25 Dec 2012, 12:35 am

Andy Robinson was planted by the RFU, Bradley by the IRFU, Johnson by WRU and ARU and Gregor Townsend by the SRU all to bring down the SRU... that's right, the SRU are so inept they planted one of their own to take themselves down because that's how they think conspiracy theories work.

by Tramptastic Tue 25 Dec 2012, 12:36 am

Oh and Merry Christmas!

by 21st Century Schizoid Man Tue 25 Dec 2012, 12:53 pm

Tramptastic wrote:Andy Robinson was planted by the RFU, Bradley by the IRFU, Johnson by WRU and ARU and Gregor Townsend by the SRU all to bring down the SRU... that's right, the SRU are so inept they planted one of their own to take themselves down because that's how they think conspiracy theories work.

Like it mate

by Tramptastic Tue 25 Dec 2012, 2:53 pm

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:
Tramptastic wrote:Andy Robinson was planted by the RFU, Bradley by the IRFU, Johnson by WRU and ARU and Gregor Townsend by the SRU all to bring down the SRU... that's right, the SRU are so inept they planted one of their own to take themselves down because that's how they think conspiracy theories work.

Like it mate

Haha cheers! Thought you might!

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