Nevada commission fine Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. $900k for smoking marijuana!

http://m.espn.go.com/extra/boxing/story?storyId=8999557&src=desktop

Slightly over the top for someone caught smoking weed? Would rather there was stronger punishments handed out for fighters taking PEDs.

I believe Tarver was only fined £100k for a positive anabolic steroid test. In comparison, getting a £900k fine for smoking pot- you gotta feel for the kid!

JJC apparently to fight in June as soon as his suspension expires.

$900,000 for smoking a bit of foking weed!

Where the foke am I gonna get that sort of money from!!

Wow, are you JCC jnr?

Oh no I forgot it wasn't me this time!

Ridiculous. Hardly performance enhancing. More of a moral judgement from then. Legalise the weed anyway.

Even though everyone seems able to fine everyone, I'm not sure if anyone can fine anyone?

I was given a parking fine the other day. £25 for leaving my car two hours too long in a temporary zone the money grubbing bestheads!

But I feel better now knowing that my fine in British money is £593, 603.39 less than JCC Jnr's!

If that's what drugs does to your maths you should stay off them.

He wasn't fined $900,000 for smoking marijuana, it was due to this being his second failed test in Nevada. The previously being 2009 vs Rowland.

Junior was lucky he wasn't fined his entire purse and not banned for 1 year.

Also a smart move not to fight in Mexico before the USA ban ends, otherwise he wouldn't have ever got his Nevada licence back.

azania wrote: Legalise the weed anyway.

Why?

I'm not paritculary keen on the guy but this fine is ridiculous especially when you compare to other sentences/fines for those caught with real PED's, crazy!

Gerry SA wrote:He wasn't fined $900,000 for smoking marijuana, it was due to this being his second failed test in Nevada. The previously being 2009 vs Rowland.
Junior was lucky he wasn't fined his entire purse and not banned for 1 year.

Also a smart move not to fight in Mexico before the USA ban ends, otherwise he wouldn't have ever got his Nevada licence back.

This. They took all his previous actions in to account when deciding this, they've probably made it harsher to try and stop him acting like a complete tool. Isn't going to work though.

victorgarco wrote:

azania wrote: Legalise the weed anyway.

Why?

Whatever an individual chooses to inhale, swallow, inject etc. into his or her own body is nobody's god damn business but their own and no government has the right to outlaw substances that grow naturally.

John Bloody Wayne wrote:

victorgarco wrote:

azania wrote: Legalise the weed anyway.

Why?

Whatever an individual chooses to inhale, swallow, inject etc. into his or her own body is nobody's god damn business but their own and no government has the right to outlaw substances that grow naturally.

I am shaking the admin magic 8 ball. It says:

"this thread is going to go seriously off topic and turn into a slanging match"

Its never been wrong before but lets see.....

I'll attempt to bring it back from the brink so Adam.
Seems like a money grab to me. Why not ban him for failing test, surely that would be the best action for failing drug tests. This is nothing more than a payoff, this fine in itself smells of corruption.
If Nevada were leading lights in cleaning up the sport, then fine, but obviously they are not.

The commision were heavily criticised for allow JCC to refuse/evade testing a while back...he should consider this "a$$-hole tax"

John Bloody Wayne wrote:

victorgarco wrote:

azania wrote: Legalise the weed anyway.

Why?

Whatever an individual chooses to inhale, swallow, inject etc. into his or her own body is nobody's god damn business but their own and no government has the right to outlaw substances that grow naturally.

It is government business when these people need support for the NHS or commit crime.

Fair point as far as weed goes JBW but things like MDMA and Heroin certainly do not grow naturally.

It certainly seems a lot of cash whether he failed before or not, I'm surprised he didn't get a ban. UFC's Nick Diaz I think got a 6 month ban & a fine, less than JCC jnr but his purse was lower, from the NSAC. Dana White summed it up well with it doesn't matter what he himself thinks about weed but it's against the law & the commission for fighters to fail a test for it & that the rules are the rules. Had Diaz presented his medical marijauna exemption card he claimed to have at the test it wouldn't have been a problem, unfortunately he didn't.

Just don't fight in Nevada...........and he doesn't have to pay anything.....simples.

John Bloody Wayne wrote:

victorgarco wrote:

azania wrote: Legalise the weed anyway.

Why?

Whatever an individual chooses to inhale, swallow, inject etc. into his or her own body is nobody's god damn business but their own and no government has the right to outlaw substances that grow naturally.

So on that basis you MUST argue that suicide should be legal as well then.

I don't agree that weed should be legal and I believe that the government should get involved because your argument that it is your body and your choice only works if you grow the drugs yourself. If not you have to buy those drugs from a dealer and that means that the dealer is selling you a drug that can cause damage to your body. So this goes against your principle that it is your body so your choice because now you have a 3rd party (the dealer) who is involved in the 'destruction' of your body. The argument that you should have sole authority on the actions your body takes is negated when when a dealer is involved. The dealer destroys your argument because it means that a 3rd party is involved and it is no longer a case of just one person sitting at home damaging their body but it is now a case of two people working together to damage one person's body.

I don't believe that taking drugs should be a criminal offence because I don't believe that addicts should be criminally punished, I believe they need medical help rather than a prison sentence. However, I do believe that the selling of drugs should remain illegal.

victorgarco wrote:

John Bloody Wayne wrote:

victorgarco wrote:

azania wrote: Legalise the weed anyway.

Why?

Whatever an individual chooses to inhale, swallow, inject etc. into his or her own body is nobody's god damn business but their own and no government has the right to outlaw substances that grow naturally.

So on that basis you MUST argue that suicide should be legal as well then.

I don't agree that weed should be legal and I believe that the government should get involved because your argument that it is your body and your choice only works if you grow the drugs yourself. If not you have to buy those drugs from a dealer and that means that the dealer is selling you a drug that can cause damage to your body. So this goes against your principle that it is your body so your choice because now you have a 3rd party (the dealer) who is involved in the 'destruction' of your body. The argument that you should have sole authority on the actions your body takes is negated when when a dealer is involved. The dealer destroys your argument because it means that a 3rd party is involved and it is no longer a case of just one person sitting at home damaging their body but it is now a case of two people working together to damage one person's body.

I don't believe that taking drugs should be a criminal offence because I don't believe that addicts should be criminally punished, I believe they need medical help rather than a prison sentence. However, I do believe that the selling of drugs should remain illegal.

If it was legal there wouldn't be nearly as many dealers as people would grow it themselves. Also suicide should be legal.

bellchees wrote:

victorgarco wrote:

John Bloody Wayne wrote:

victorgarco wrote:

azania wrote: Legalise the weed anyway.

Why?

Whatever an individual chooses to inhale, swallow, inject etc. into his or her own body is nobody's god damn business but their own and no government has the right to outlaw substances that grow naturally.

So on that basis you MUST argue that suicide should be legal as well then.

I don't agree that weed should be legal and I believe that the government should get involved because your argument that it is your body and your choice only works if you grow the drugs yourself. If not you have to buy those drugs from a dealer and that means that the dealer is selling you a drug that can cause damage to your body. So this goes against your principle that it is your body so your choice because now you have a 3rd party (the dealer) who is involved in the 'destruction' of your body. The argument that you should have sole authority on the actions your body takes is negated when when a dealer is involved. The dealer destroys your argument because it means that a 3rd party is involved and it is no longer a case of just one person sitting at home damaging their body but it is now a case of two people working together to damage one person's body.

I don't believe that taking drugs should be a criminal offence because I don't believe that addicts should be criminally punished, I believe they need medical help rather than a prison sentence. However, I do believe that the selling of drugs should remain illegal.

. Also suicide should be legal.

Suicide is legal in the UK. Assisted suicide is illegal though. I think assisted suicide is the only law where it is illegal to help someone do something that is legal.

Go away............You boring punkish wum..

Grow it, smoke it and eat well

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

John Bloody Wayne wrote:

victorgarco wrote:

azania wrote: Legalise the weed anyway.

Why?

Whatever an individual chooses to inhale, swallow, inject etc. into his or her own body is nobody's god damn business but their own and no government has the right to outlaw substances that grow naturally.

It is government business when these people need support for the NHS or commit crime.

I agree. Also hundreds of thousands of people are killed every year in drug wars (look at mexico), some of those people are cartel members others are innocent people caught in the middle. They kill each other so they can be the ones who sell you the weed. When you smoke your next joint just think about how many people were brutally murdered so that you can have some weed.

Legalising it will stop the killing. Booze was illegal in USA and loads were murdered because of it. As soon as it was legalised the killing stopped.

Legalise the Holy Herb.

azania wrote:Legalising it will stop the killing. Booze was illegal in USA and loads were murdered because of it. As soon as it was legalised the killing stopped.

Legalise the Holy Herb.

But then we would never of had Boardwalk Empire.

The lord works in mysterious ways

azania wrote:Legalising it will stop the killing. Booze was illegal in USA and loads were murdered because of it. As soon as it was legalised the killing stopped.

Legalise the Holy Herb.

There seems to be a lot of people who support that argument. I don't understand how legalising weed would stop the cartels for eg from killing each other (over 100,000 people killed in just 5 years due to drug wars in mexico alone). If you legalise it the cartes would still kill each other (and innocent people) so that they can be the ones who sell it.

Az I wouldn't bother, I doubt Victor has the intelligence to understand that all the problems caused by drug cartels is because it is illegal.

the government are never going to legalize it because they have no way of taxing it, it would end up costing them through nhs etc.

for me anything that damages health should not be promoted and made easier, the smoking ban has been a brilliant idea and also a lot of the adverts to try and stop people smoking.

victorgarco wrote:

azania wrote:Legalising it will stop the killing. Booze was illegal in USA and loads were murdered because of it. As soon as it was legalised the killing stopped.

Legalise the Holy Herb.

There seems to be a lot of people who support that argument. I don't understand how legalising weed would stop the cartels for eg from killing each other (over 100,000 people killed in just 5 years due to drug wars in mexico alone). If you legalise it the cartes would still kill each other (and innocent people) so that they can be the ones who sell it.

Simply because the cartels would have no business with it. People would be allowed to grow enough for themselves like in Holland, or you go down the medical marijuana route like many countries are considering. In Israel for example the Govt. approves horticultural, medical, nutrition, chemical companies etc to grow under licence. I'm sure JCC jnr could've have arranged a certificate in the states to use it legally.

As regards to killings yes people, gangs, cartels will always find a reason to kill, be it drugs, religion, football, ethnic & social differences/injustices. Western Governments do it for oil!

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Az I wouldn't bother, I doubt Victor has the intelligence to understand that all the problems caused by drug cartels is because it is illegal.

But it's not though. You legalise selling weed and that is not going to stop the cartels from fighting each other so that they have a monopoly over the distribution of the drug.

as for jcc jnr, i would have banned him from boxing so he should count himself lucky. its about time this lad realises that he cant just take whatever drugs he wants

The price would drop dramatically if it were legalised and the cartels would have no influence over something that is legal, they're not going to monopolise something you can grow in your own garden.

sohotnot wrote:

victorgarco wrote:

azania wrote:Legalising it will stop the killing. Booze was illegal in USA and loads were murdered because of it. As soon as it was legalised the killing stopped.

Legalise the Holy Herb.

There seems to be a lot of people who support that argument. I don't understand how legalising weed would stop the cartels for eg from killing each other (over 100,000 people killed in just 5 years due to drug wars in mexico alone). If you legalise it the cartes would still kill each other (and innocent people) so that they can be the ones who sell it.

Simply because the cartels would have no business with it. People would be allowed to grow enough for themselves like in Holland, or you go down the medical marijuana route like many countries are considering. In Israel for example the Govt. approves horticultural, medical, nutrition, chemical companies etc to grow under licence. I'm sure JCC jnr could've have arranged a certificate in the states to use it legally.

As regards to killings yes people, gangs, cartels will always find a reason to kill, be it drugs, religion, football, ethnic & social differences/injustices. Western Governments do it for oil!

If you legalise weed so that it is available in chemists etc that weed will be liable to tax and the price would be higher. That is where the cartels step in where they can sell weed a lot cheaper. A drug addict only cares about his/her next fix and if they can get it at a cheaper price that is where they will buy it from. You would also have cartels opening up legalised weed shops selling weed but they would still be killing each other because they would want a monopoly over those weed shops.

compelling and rich wrote:the government are never going to legalize it because they have no way of taxing it, it would end up costing them through nhs etc.

for me anything that damages health should not be promoted and made easier, the smoking ban has been a brilliant idea and also a lot of the adverts to try and stop people smoking.

Excellent points, especially the first one.

Rick James wrote:

compelling and rich wrote:the government are never going to legalize it because they have no way of taxing it, it would end up costing them through nhs etc.

for me anything that damages health should not be promoted and made easier, the smoking ban has been a brilliant idea and also a lot of the adverts to try and stop people smoking.

Excellent points, especially the first one.

I agree excellent points too. Instead of trying to legalise a very dangerous drug in the hope that it will take away the cartels power and thus stop the killing the government should be trying to educate people as to the dangers of drugs. If you can stop people from taking drugs then you cut off the cartels demand and they make no money. You also have a much healthier society with less crime etc that an addiction to drugs causes.

Why wouldnt they be able to tax it? You cant grow your own tobacco here without being taxed on it - so they'll just allow some companies to sell it. Benson and Hedges Gold Buddha. I'm drooling at the thought.

victorgarco wrote:

sohotnot wrote:

victorgarco wrote:

azania wrote:Legalising it will stop the killing. Booze was illegal in USA and loads were murdered because of it. As soon as it was legalised the killing stopped.

Legalise the Holy Herb.

There seems to be a lot of people who support that argument. I don't understand how legalising weed would stop the cartels for eg from killing each other (over 100,000 people killed in just 5 years due to drug wars in mexico alone). If you legalise it the cartes would still kill each other (and innocent people) so that they can be the ones who sell it.

Simply because the cartels would have no business with it. People would be allowed to grow enough for themselves like in Holland, or you go down the medical marijuana route like many countries are considering. In Israel for example the Govt. approves horticultural, medical, nutrition, chemical companies etc to grow under licence. I'm sure JCC jnr could've have arranged a certificate in the states to use it legally.

As regards to killings yes people, gangs, cartels will always find a reason to kill, be it drugs, religion, football, ethnic & social differences/injustices. Western Governments do it for oil!

If you legalise weed so that it is available in chemists etc that weed will be liable to tax and the price would be higher. That is where the cartels step in where they can sell weed a lot cheaper. A drug addict only cares about his/her next fix and if they can get it at a cheaper price that is where they will buy it from. You would also have cartels opening up legalised weed shops selling weed but they would still be killing each other because they would want a monopoly over those weed shops.

I think we need to seperate drug addicts, ie those that use heroin & cocaine, from those that smoke weed recreationally. In Holland people buy from a licenced coffee shop which is paying tax so yes its more expensive than on the black market but the quality is high & its a safe normal enviroment. Obviously there are criminal elements still involved & its also actually illegal for the coffee shop to buy weed to sell, but they are allowed to sell up to 5 grams per customer legally, crazy I know. They are allowed to have up to 500 grams on the premises at any one time, the authorities choose to turn a blind eye to how it arrives as you are not allowed to carry that amount in the street or to have it at your house! One of the political parties wants a complete overhaul where they actually license the growing, tax it & keep an eye on everything. The present system in Holland isn't perfect but its better than most countries. As for cartels, gangs or whatever killing its mostly over harder drugs & debts not being paid or grassing! As for monopolizing its almost impossible to for any one firm to supply the whole country & the export market, its what actually keeps the price up, nobody is sitting around with stacks of it thinking what am I going to do with this. Also Holland's murder rate is percentage wise lower than the UK or Germany where they don't have the same 'legal' situation.

victorgarco wrote:

Rick James wrote:

compelling and rich wrote:the government are never going to legalize it because they have no way of taxing it, it would end up costing them through nhs etc.

for me anything that damages health should not be promoted and made easier, the smoking ban has been a brilliant idea and also a lot of the adverts to try and stop people smoking.

Excellent points, especially the first one.

I agree excellent points too. Instead of trying to legalise a very dangerous drug in the hope that it will take away the cartels power and thus stop the killing the government should be trying to educate people as to the dangers of drugs. If you can stop people from taking drugs then you cut off the cartels demand and they make no money. You also have a much healthier society with less crime etc that an addiction to drugs causes.

Do you actually consider cannabis a very dangerous drug? There is a really good documentary about drugs & the war on drugs in America available on the Iplayer, I will post the link, very interesting.

ShahenshahG wrote:Why wouldnt they be able to tax it? You cant grow your own tobacco here without being taxed on it - so they'll just allow some companies to sell it. Benson and Hedges Gold Buddha. I'm drooling at the thought.

people have never been accustomed to grow there own tobacco, why do something that takes six weeks when you can nip to the shops and buy some, something which in the past you could do very cheaply. growing of cannabis plants is pretty wide spread now when its illegal so cant see why people would pay the inflated tax priced shop version when they can get it off a mate who's selling it much cheaper and legally.

sohotnot wrote:

victorgarco wrote:

Rick James wrote:

compelling and rich wrote:the government are never going to legalize it because they have no way of taxing it, it would end up costing them through nhs etc.

for me anything that damages health should not be promoted and made easier, the smoking ban has been a brilliant idea and also a lot of the adverts to try and stop people smoking.

Excellent points, especially the first one.

I agree excellent points too. Instead of trying to legalise a very dangerous drug in the hope that it will take away the cartels power and thus stop the killing the government should be trying to educate people as to the dangers of drugs. If you can stop people from taking drugs then you cut off the cartels demand and they make no money. You also have a much healthier society with less crime etc that an addiction to drugs causes.

Do you actually consider cannabis a very dangerous drug? There is a really good documentary about drugs & the war on drugs in America available on the Iplayer, I will post the link, very interesting.

i know quite a few people who are addicted to it, and it really does kill the brain cells of them, something which in today's society we could really do without!!!

ShahenshahG wrote:Why wouldnt they be able to tax it? You cant grow your own tobacco here without being taxed on it - so they'll just allow some companies to sell it. Benson and Hedges Gold Buddha. I'm drooling at the thought.

So you could sell weed/skunk via official outlets and tax at point of sell, but how are you going to decipher between a legit 'joint' and an illegal one? It would just drive for even greater underground production, as law enforcement would have less effect with it's greater public consumption/acceptance.

Watch Season 3 of 'The Wire' for an insight into theories on drug legalisation that look good on paper, but are not so practical in reality.

It wouldnt be legal though unless he pays tax, thats the point, Look how much cigarettes cost - 8 bob for 20, with weed you just need to smoke 4-5 a day and you are chilled and sometimes not even that much as you'll probably have it socially.

How do they tell between legitimate cigarettes or those smuggled over from europe? Why would they be the legitimate ones from companies be more expensive? Do economies of scale not apply to weed?

ShahenshahG wrote:It wouldnt be legal though unless he pays tax, thats the point, Look how much cigarettes cost - 8 bob for 20, with weed you just need to smoke 4-5 a day and you are chilled and sometimes not even that much as you'll probably have it socially.

im sure smokers of cigs just started with 4-5 a day as well, like anything the more you do of something the more your bodies grows an immunity and you need more of, how i loved the days of going out for a few drinks and being able to get drunk of a few pints. them days are long gone now

Rick James wrote:So you could sell weed/skunk via official outlets and tax at point of sell, but how are you going to decipher between a legit 'joint' and an illegal one? It would just drive for even greater underground production, as law enforcement would have less effect with it's greater public consumption/acceptance.

But unless you know how much the tax would be, you're only speculating. The balance between cost and quality and perceived safety would decide how people behave.

Alcohol is taxed. I don't know anyone who sells home brew.

compelling and rich wrote:

sohotnot wrote:

victorgarco wrote:

Rick James wrote:

compelling and rich wrote:the government are never going to legalize it because they have no way of taxing it, it would end up costing them through nhs etc.

for me anything that damages health should not be promoted and made easier, the smoking ban has been a brilliant idea and also a lot of the adverts to try and stop people smoking.

Excellent points, especially the first one.

I agree excellent points too. Instead of trying to legalise a very dangerous drug in the hope that it will take away the cartels power and thus stop the killing the government should be trying to educate people as to the dangers of drugs. If you can stop people from taking drugs then you cut off the cartels demand and they make no money. You also have a much healthier society with less crime etc that an addiction to drugs causes.

Do you actually consider cannabis a very dangerous drug? There is a really good documentary about drugs & the war on drugs in America available on the Iplayer, I will post the link, very interesting.

i know quite a few people who are addicted to it, and it really does kill the brain cells of them, something which in today's society we could really do without!!!

Unlike cigarettes & alcohol which nobody is addicted to and are completely harmless.

Its interesting to see how many Governments are looking into medical marijuana & the use of THC one of the active ingredients contained in cannabis. Its big business & politics that keep its use for whatever reason illegal in the west.

sohotnot wrote:

compelling and rich wrote:

sohotnot wrote:

victorgarco wrote:

Rick James wrote:

compelling and rich wrote:the government are never going to legalize it because they have no way of taxing it, it would end up costing them through nhs etc.

for me anything that damages health should not be promoted and made easier, the smoking ban has been a brilliant idea and also a lot of the adverts to try and stop people smoking.

Excellent points, especially the first one.

I agree excellent points too. Instead of trying to legalise a very dangerous drug in the hope that it will take away the cartels power and thus stop the killing the government should be trying to educate people as to the dangers of drugs. If you can stop people from taking drugs then you cut off the cartels demand and they make no money. You also have a much healthier society with less crime etc that an addiction to drugs causes.

Do you actually consider cannabis a very dangerous drug? There is a really good documentary about drugs & the war on drugs in America available on the Iplayer, I will post the link, very interesting.

i know quite a few people who are addicted to it, and it really does kill the brain cells of them, something which in today's society we could really do without!!!

Unlike cigarettes & alcohol which nobody is addicted to and are completely harmless.

Its interesting to see how many Governments are looking into medical marijuana & the use of THC one of the active ingredients contained in cannabis. Its big business & politics that keep its use for whatever reason illegal in the west.

that's pretty much my point, why add another unhealthy habit into the chain that is already costing the NHS million upon millions to deal with