Nevada commission fine Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. $900k for smoking marijuana!

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Slightly over the top for someone caught smoking weed? Would rather there was stronger punishments handed out for fighters taking PEDs.

I believe Tarver was only fined £100k for a positive anabolic steroid test. In comparison, getting a £900k fine for smoking pot- you gotta feel for the kid!

JJC apparently to fight in June as soon as his suspension expires.

I've not had time to read your link but will read it. As ghosty says not everybody is going to be allowed but there are ways around it. Mexico is a mess, you can't really compare western europe with it. Look at the dutch system it seems to work well. In a public vote a few years ago the people of the country voted for it rather than making it illegal.

Goodness me. Its like debating simple economics with an unborn child. Learn about competition and suppky/demand.

The detective foresees gangsters buying out weed stores’ inventory and selling it in other states, or perhaps using the black market to undercut the heavily regulated legal one, which levies a 25-percent tax at each step of the way from grower to smoker. (The duty adds an estimated $500 million to Washington state coffers every year.)

“I just don’t see the legislation of marijuana causing any problems for the criminals,” Gagliardi said. “The gangs are still going to grow marijuana and they’re still going to sell marijuana, only now it will be legal for them to walk around with an ounce supply individually packaged and not have any repercussions.”

In the US where weed is legal in some states there is a 25% tax. So this goes against the argument of having little tax

Look. If tesco is selling a gram of sensi for a tenner and asda decudes to sell exactly the same thing for half the price and still make a profit where do you think young Piers or Barnaby will buy their spliff from?

But once again I ask why are you arguing that weed should be legal to sell from shops? How will this help the UK?

Legalize it and let Mr Patel sell it. It won't harm the UK. In fact quite the opposite. Look at town centres at weekends. Drunk guys having fights iver some half naked slapper. With weed they will be chilled out. No fighting. No crime. Too chilled to fight and spit roast the slapper happily.

victorgarco wrote:But once again I ask why are you arguing that weed should be legal to sell from shops? How will this help the UK?

Instead of criminals getting the profits, the government will. Cue someone asking whats is the differance no doubt.

But its one reason in theory why it may be beneficial to legalise it.

Mexico, America and other non EU country you care to mention has no relevance as far as the UK goes. Legalising something that is widely done has no real drawbacks.

manos de piedra wrote:

victorgarco wrote:But once again I ask why are you arguing that weed should be legal to sell from shops? How will this help the UK?

Instead of criminals getting the profits, the government will. Cue someone asking whats is the differance no doubt.

But its one reason in theory why it may be beneficial to legalise it.

What's the difference?

When you look at the states & their war on drugs program you only see more & more people going to jail, more & more people becoming addicted to hard drugs, crime is on the increase, with violent crime being one of the biggest increase alongside drug possesion. Look at all the states with large black & hispanic community's, they are building more prisons than schools! Its a war America is losing but they don't seem to have any idea of how to make the situation better, check out my link on the Iplayer about drugs in America, very interesting. It makes a case for some form of legalization.

manos de piedra wrote:

victorgarco wrote:But once again I ask why are you arguing that weed should be legal to sell from shops? How will this help the UK?

Instead of criminals getting the profits, the government will. Cue someone asking whats is the differance no doubt.

But its one reason in theory why it may be beneficial to legalise it.

But they are only criminals because it is illegal to sell it. If Tesco sold weed now they too would be acting illegally. If you legalised weed so everyone could sell it then those drug dealers would no longer be criminals.

there was a study called Rand which looked at whether legalising weed would destroy the criminals share of the market and the report said that they would still have a 40% market share.

sohotnot wrote:When you look at the states & their war on drugs program you only see more & more people going to jail, more & more people becoming addicted to hard drugs, crime is on the increase, with violent crime being one of the biggest increase alongside drug possesion. Look at all the states with large black & hispanic community's, they are building more prisons than schools! Its a war America is losing but they don't seem to have any idea of how to make the situation better, check out my link on the Iplayer about drugs in America, very interesting. It makes a case for some form of legalization.

I will watch it. I don't think taking drugs should be illegal but I do think selling drugs should be illegal. This way you punish the seller and not the addict.

It doesn't work like that, which of the two words legislation and licencing do you not understand?

Imperial Ghosty wrote:It doesn't work like that, which of the two words legislation and licencing do you not understand?

Both it seems.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:It doesn't work like that, which of the two words legislation and licencing do you not understand?

quote my comment you are talking about.

Every post on this thread displays a lack of understanding of the two words.

No offence Victor but you do lack the basic common sense to be having this debate, you're failing to grasp the most basic of concepts.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:No offence Victor but you do lack the basic common sense to be having this debate, you're failing to grasp the most basic of concepts.

You have been arguing for the past hour about something and you probably don't even know what your own arguments are. You are arguing that weed should be legalised because......

victorgarco wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:

victorgarco wrote:But once again I ask why are you arguing that weed should be legal to sell from shops? How will this help the UK?

Instead of criminals getting the profits, the government will. Cue someone asking whats is the differance no doubt.

But its one reason in theory why it may be beneficial to legalise it.

But they are only criminals because it is illegal to sell it. If Tesco sold weed now they too would be acting illegally. If you legalised weed so everyone could sell it then those drug dealers would no longer be criminals.

there was a study called Rand which looked at whether legalising weed would destroy the criminals share of the market and the report said that they would still have a 40% market share.

I think what people are saying is that legalizing it by regulating it. There may still be a black market and criminals, but if regular suermarkets or specified shops could sell it then they would offer a much stronger competition for criminals selling it illegally. Thus, the market for the criminals becomes alot smaller and less worthwhile. People go to regular shops to buy weed (why wouldnt they if its legal?) and the government gets neccessary taxes from the profits. The criminals who are not licenced to sell it are essentially forced to sell it at far lower prices if they want to tempt people and it becomes far less worthwhile for them to bother.




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I've already stated that, it is scientifically proven to be less addictive and harmful than Alcohol. Stricter controls make it safer, I would feel more comfortable buying something from a licensed trader than a stingy dealer who lives in a one bedroom council flat. I'm very aware of my side of the debate, your failure to grasp what everyone else is saying should set alarm bells ringing in your head.

victorgarco wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:

victorgarco wrote:But once again I ask why are you arguing that weed should be legal to sell from shops? How will this help the UK?

Instead of criminals getting the profits, the government will. Cue someone asking whats is the differance no doubt.

But its one reason in theory why it may be beneficial to legalise it.

But they are only criminals because it is illegal to sell it. If Tesco sold weed now they too would be acting illegally. If you legalised weed so everyone could sell it then those drug dealers would no longer be criminals.

there was a study called Rand which looked at whether legalising weed would destroy the criminals share of the market and the report said that they would still have a 40% market share.

That I can well believe, better that than 100%. As I said the situation in Holland isn't perfect but its better than most places. One of the centre right parties wanted to ban it outright but after putting it to the people who voted to keep things as they were they said ok it should be totally legal with licensed growers. This way they they make a lot of cash but also are able to keep an eye on who's who in the industry & who's doing what.

In your later post we seem to be clearing things up a bit & making a little more sense, the program is really interesting it puts a much wider perspective on things, outlining when things were actually outlawed, opium, cocaine & weed all legal at one time! As you said locking people up for a few grams of weed & then a hefty sentence when its their 3rd time just doesn't help solve the problem. Again take a look at the dutch system.

"No offence Victor but you lack commonsense".................

I like your style Ghosty.........

manos de piedra wrote:

victorgarco wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:

victorgarco wrote:But once again I ask why are you arguing that weed should be legal to sell from shops? How will this help the UK?

Instead of criminals getting the profits, the government will. Cue someone asking whats is the differance no doubt.

But its one reason in theory why it may be beneficial to legalise it.

But they are only criminals because it is illegal to sell it. If Tesco sold weed now they too would be acting illegally. If you legalised weed so everyone could sell it then those drug dealers would no longer be criminals.

there was a study called Rand which looked at whether legalising weed would destroy the criminals share of the market and the report said that they would still have a 40% market share.

I think what people are saying is that legalizing it by regulating it. There may still be a black market and criminals, but if regular suermarkets or specified shops could sell it then they would offer a much stronger competition for criminals selling it illegally. Thus, the market for the criminals becomes alot smaller and less worthwhile. People go to regular shops to buy weed (why wouldnt they if its legal?) and the government gets neccessary taxes from the profits. The criminals who are not licenced to sell it are essentially forced to sell it at far lower prices if they want to tempt people and it becomes far less worthwhile for them to bother.




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As many reports have highlighted if you have a situation where regular shops can sell weed legally the criminals will just open up regular shops to sell that weed.
Also for those dealers who do not set up legal shops they would still have a 40% market share as the above mentioned report highlights. People would still buy weed from those dealers because they are the only people who are selling other drugs so the addict would still be their customer.

Also as shown in the US there is a 25% tax on the sale of legal weed. It would be very easy for a dealer who is selling illegally to sell it cheaper than the legal rate. All he has to do is sell it at the normal price and that would be 25% cheaper than the shops weed.

but as the report highlighted if it was legal to sell weed (if you need a licence just like a licence for selling beer) then the criminals will just get the licence and open legal shops.

But as I was saying earlier why does that help the UK? So far you are the only one who has came up with an answer and that is tax.

If you have shops selling the weed...It pushes the price DOWN!!!!!!

Criminals won't be able to compete..........because of the overheads.....

You know how much it costs to run a shop!!

You're dumb.......

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:If you have shops selling the weed...It pushes the price DOWN!!!!!!

Criminals won't be able to compete..........because of the overheads.....

You know how much it costs to run a shop!!

You're dumb.......

What are you talking about? These cartels make 60 Billion dollars a year in profits through selling weed, heroin, cocaine, illegal gambling, prostitution, protection money, kidnapping, government corruption, selling of firearms, selling pirated goods, oil theft etc etc etc. They make more money than probably all of the British supermarkets put together. The head of the Sinaloa cartel was ranked as the 41st most richest person in the world due to his cartels illegal activities. Are you seriously telling me that they would not be able to afford the electricity bill and rent of a shop?

They make that money because it is illegal and they have to launder the money because they are wanted men....

They are just going to be able to start shops and become businessmen on the high street are they??

"Escobar's minimarket".....................

Have you seen Forrest Gump lately??

The big money is made by those producing the goods and lets be honest here they probably have their hands in other pies as well, do you think they would want to draw attention to themselves by opening up a shop? Official figures for narcotics are incredibly inaccurate as it's a far more underground practice, being caught dealing weed is one thing getting caught dealing cocaine or heroin is something completely different.

The whole point of legalising cannabis would be to put very stringent control on it's supply whereby your current dealers wouldn't be able to simply open a shop and start trading.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:They make that money because it is illegal and they have to launder the money because they are wanted men....

They are just going to be able to start shops and become businessmen on the high street are they??

"Escobar's minimarket".....................

Have you seen Forrest Gump lately??

If you make their activity legal what is stopping them. The cartels havemanaged to get their members to become police officers in Mexico and America. They have managed to get their members to become politicians and judges. Opening up a shop is not going to be a problem for them.

You really are an idiot

1. Weed is made legal

2. Same regulations as cigarettes

3. Supermarket r so much weed tht the economies of scale kick inbuys

4. even with the tax, the weed is cheaper - because they can bring it in or grow it without smuggling it - they dont need to pay millions in bribes, they don't need to spend hundreds of thousands developing rooms to hide from the police

How does this help the uk?

Tax - a couple years back there were some figures which quoted around 20 billion coming in and 8 billion out in medical costs etc, 12 billion profit on cigarettes and alcohol more than enough to cover medical complications resulting from the aforementioned vices

People dont buy from dealers - staying away from the harder drugs

Less people in prison - saves us a hell of a lot of money - police resources are put to better use - saving us some more money.

Less dangerous varieties are sold resulting in less use of the nhs saving us some more money.

As for criminals opening up weed shops - so they are no longer criminals and are operating a business. Would ou rather they were still killing people?

Read the COCAINE WARS or KILLING PABLO.........Vicky........

This will give you an idea of the trouble you have laundering money when you sell drugs in high quantities........

Give Harry Potter a miss....

The reason they make so much is that drugs are illegal.............If you made it legal the price would drop enormously.....It's half the reason people want to see drugs made legal..

You're not making their activity legal that's the point, it's not how it works Victor and lets be honest here the UK is not the US let alone mexico, their crime rates are very high ours are not.

Actually Shah's summary is much better than mine.........read that twice..

ShahenshahG wrote:You really are an idiot

1. Weed is made legal

2. Same regulations as cigarettes

3. Supermarket r so much weed tht the economies of scale kick inbuys

4. even with the tax, the weed is cheaper - because they can bring it in or grow it without smuggling it - they dont need to pay millions in bribes, they don't need to spend hundreds of thousands developing rooms to hide from the police

How does this help the uk?

Tax - a couple years back there were some figures which quoted around 20 billion coming in and 8 billion out in medical costs etc, 12 billion profit on cigarettes and alcohol more than enough to cover medical complications resulting from the aforementioned vices

People dont buy from dealers - staying away from the harder drugs

Less people in prison - saves us a hell of a lot of money - police resources are put to better use - saving us some more money.

Less dangerous varieties are sold resulting in less use of the nhs saving us some more money.

As for criminals opening up weed shops - so they are no longer criminals and are operating a business. Would ou rather they were still killing people?

The criminals would still kill each other because they kille ach other for the best smuggling routes into the US. They still need those smuggling routes for the illegal drugs.

less people in prison can be solved by legalising the consumption of drugs and only making the selling of drugs illegal. Most people in jail are those who are caught in possession of drugs for personal use.

The fact that the US has legalised drugs in some states and yet the criminals still have a 40% market share proves your theory wrong.

They still have that 40% share because they can still deal in the other 40ish states that havent legalised it. Otherwise it wouldnt be worth it.

So the people who giv the money to the criminal to perform criminal acts for them should be let off? Lets stop imprisoning people who hire hitmen as well.

Of course they still need the smuggling routes but that for the criminals - thats why the drugs are so expensive! They ave to pay bribes, they have to smuggle the stuff in so is bloody expensive - Supermarkets dont have to that why the weed will be cheaper and people will get good quality weed from the supermarkets or from legitimate suppliers rather than questionable weed off the streets that is more expensive.

ShahenshahG wrote:They still have that 40% share because they can still deal in the other 40ish states that havent legalised it. Otherwise it wouldnt be worth it.

So the people who giv the money to the criminal to perform criminal acts for them should be let off? Lets stop imprisoning people who hire hitmen as well.

Of course they still need the smuggling routes but that for the criminals - thats why the drugs are so expensive! They ave to pay bribes, they have to smuggle the stuff in so is bloody expensive - Supermarkets dont have to that why the weed will be cheaper and people will get good quality weed from the supermarkets or from legitimate suppliers rather than questionable weed off the streets that is more expensive.

The 40% market share is is 1 state and the rand report talked about it. Only 2 states have legalised weed. All the weed you get now is smuggled in illegally and there are bribes that are paid yet that weed is still cheap. And that weed would be a lot cheaper than supermarket weed.

Also if you are saying supermarkets can sell weed then that means that the cartels would just open up their own supermarkets and sell weed legally. Many reports have highlighted that this is what would happen. You look at prohibition of alcohol in America. They legalised the alcohol and those who were selling it illegally just ended up selling it legally.

NO MAS, NO MAS

NO MAS, NO MAS, NO MAS......

Dear Lord. This guy makes waingro appear a genius.

victorgarco wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:

victorgarco wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:

victorgarco wrote:But once again I ask why are you arguing that weed should be legal to sell from shops? How will this help the UK?

Instead of criminals getting the profits, the government will. Cue someone asking whats is the differance no doubt.

But its one reason in theory why it may be beneficial to legalise it.

But they are only criminals because it is illegal to sell it. If Tesco sold weed now they too would be acting illegally. If you legalised weed so everyone could sell it then those drug dealers would no longer be criminals.

there was a study called Rand which looked at whether legalising weed would destroy the criminals share of the market and the report said that they would still have a 40% market share.

I think what people are saying is that legalizing it by regulating it. There may still be a black market and criminals, but if regular suermarkets or specified shops could sell it then they would offer a much stronger competition for criminals selling it illegally. Thus, the market for the criminals becomes alot smaller and less worthwhile. People go to regular shops to buy weed (why wouldnt they if its legal?) and the government gets neccessary taxes from the profits. The criminals who are not licenced to sell it are essentially forced to sell it at far lower prices if they want to tempt people and it becomes far less worthwhile for them to bother.




I think people a

As many reports have highlighted if you have a situation where regular shops can sell weed legally the criminals will just open up regular shops to sell that weed.
Also for those dealers who do not set up legal shops they would still have a 40% market share as the above mentioned report highlights. People would still buy weed from those dealers because they are the only people who are selling other drugs so the addict would still be their customer.

Also as shown in the US there is a 25% tax on the sale of legal weed. It would be very easy for a dealer who is selling illegally to sell it cheaper than the legal rate. All he has to do is sell it at the normal price and that would be 25% cheaper than the shops weed.

but as the report highlighted if it was legal to sell weed (if you need a licence just like a licence for selling beer) then the criminals will just get the licence and open legal shops.

But as I was saying earlier why does that help the UK? So far you are the only one who has came up with an answer and that is tax.

There are going to be pro's and cons of legalizing weed. Its difficult to assess to the full impact of something like that until it actually happens. Alot depends on the just how it beomes legalised. If you make it fully legally with little regulation then its going to pretty much put criminals out of business in that market. Because anyone could grow it themselves or buy it readily available in shops etc. The criminals cant compete with that. If you legalise weed but regulate it heavily, as in only very specific places can sell it and they set high prices on it then yes, the criminals might well still be able to operate a black market. Its complex and dependent on what circumastances its legalised and regulated. There is huge money in the illegal drug trade and if you made it legal then the government would be able to get a share of the profits. Theoretically meaning they have more money to spend on improving the country. Obviously its not that straightforward as there re cons also. Look at prohibition in the U.S for example. They made alcohol illegal, drove it underground and created a large criminal enterprise in doing so. When they made alcohol legal again it pretty much wiped out the criminal element involved and the government instead of criminals were able to get the profits.

victorgarco wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:They still have that 40% share because they can still deal in the other 40ish states that havent legalised it. Otherwise it wouldnt be worth it.

So the people who giv the money to the criminal to perform criminal acts for them should be let off? Lets stop imprisoning people who hire hitmen as well.

Of course they still need the smuggling routes but that for the criminals - thats why the drugs are so expensive! They ave to pay bribes, they have to smuggle the stuff in so is bloody expensive - Supermarkets dont have to that why the weed will be cheaper and people will get good quality weed from the supermarkets or from legitimate suppliers rather than questionable weed off the streets that is more expensive.

The 40% market share is is 1 state and the rand report talked about it. Only 2 states have legalised weed. All the weed you get now is smuggled in illegally and there are bribes that are paid yet that weed is still cheap. And that weed would be a lot cheaper than supermarket weed.

Also if you are saying supermarkets can sell weed then that means that the cartels would just open up their own supermarkets and sell weed legally. Many reports have highlighted that this is what would happen. You look at prohibition of alcohol in America. They legalised the alcohol and those who were selling it illegally just ended up selling it legally.

I dont think Cartels would neccessarily just open up supermarkets and sell weed. Its not straightforward to just open up a supermarket and start competing with other operations. What do cartels know about running supermarkets? The likelihood is cartels would shift focus away from weed as there would be no money in running that operation anymore and trying to compete with every supermarket or online store and they would shift focus to remaining illegal drugs.

Drug cartels are run by wanted Men protected by dishonest and bought Governments like Colombia......They can hardly go legit or they'd be an uproar as to why they aren't being arrested by interested parties....

Any Supermarket seen buying from them would then become implicit and open to prosecution...

So it's a major non-starter..

manos de piedra wrote:

victorgarco wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:

victorgarco wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:

victorgarco wrote:But once again I ask why are you arguing that weed should be legal to sell from shops? How will this help the UK?

Instead of criminals getting the profits, the government will. Cue someone asking whats is the differance no doubt.

But its one reason in theory why it may be beneficial to legalise it.

But they are only criminals because it is illegal to sell it. If Tesco sold weed now they too would be acting illegally. If you legalised weed so everyone could sell it then those drug dealers would no longer be criminals.

there was a study called Rand which looked at whether legalising weed would destroy the criminals share of the market and the report said that they would still have a 40% market share.

I think what people are saying is that legalizing it by regulating it. There may still be a black market and criminals, but if regular suermarkets or specified shops could sell it then they would offer a much stronger competition for criminals selling it illegally. Thus, the market for the criminals becomes alot smaller and less worthwhile. People go to regular shops to buy weed (why wouldnt they if its legal?) and the government gets neccessary taxes from the profits. The criminals who are not licenced to sell it are essentially forced to sell it at far lower prices if they want to tempt people and it becomes far less worthwhile for them to bother.




I think people a

As many reports have highlighted if you have a situation where regular shops can sell weed legally the criminals will just open up regular shops to sell that weed.
Also for those dealers who do not set up legal shops they would still have a 40% market share as the above mentioned report highlights. People would still buy weed from those dealers because they are the only people who are selling other drugs so the addict would still be their customer.

Also as shown in the US there is a 25% tax on the sale of legal weed. It would be very easy for a dealer who is selling illegally to sell it cheaper than the legal rate. All he has to do is sell it at the normal price and that would be 25% cheaper than the shops weed.

but as the report highlighted if it was legal to sell weed (if you need a licence just like a licence for selling beer) then the criminals will just get the licence and open legal shops.

But as I was saying earlier why does that help the UK? So far you are the only one who has came up with an answer and that is tax.

There are going to be pro's and cons of legalizing weed. Its difficult to assess to the full impact of something like that until it actually happens. Alot depends on the just how it beomes legalised. If you make it fully legally with little regulation then its going to pretty much put criminals out of business in that market. Because anyone could grow it themselves or buy it readily available in shops etc. The criminals cant compete with that. If you legalise weed but regulate it heavily, as in only very specific places can sell it and they set high prices on it then yes, the criminals might well still be able to operate a black market. Its complex and dependent on what circumastances its legalised and regulated. There is huge money in the illegal drug trade and if you made it legal then the government would be able to get a share of the profits. Theoretically meaning they have more money to spend on improving the country. Obviously its not that straightforward as there re cons also. Look at prohibition in the U.S for example. They made alcohol illegal, drove it underground and created a large criminal enterprise in doing so. When they made alcohol legal again it pretty much wiped out the criminal element involved and the government instead of criminals were able to get the profits.

Good point. I think if it is fully legal with little regulation then everyone would be selling weed and it would be impossible to have a monopoly like the cartels have right now. But then of couse that means your streets are filled with loads of small drug dealers selling weed. if you heavily regulate it then you stop loads of drug dealers selling weed legally but you allow there to be a black market which could undercut the legal market.

If you legalise weed then you are basically telling kids that it is ok to smoke/eat weed and you will end up having a culture similar to the alcohol culture where everyone would smoke weed socially. Weed has a lot of negative effects on the body and would you reallyw ant a government condoning this?

Im not sure what the impact of legalising weed would have. I would assume it would illegal to sell to kids in any case. And much like tobacco now, I imagine there would be strong education on the effects of weed as well as warnings. I dont actually think legalising would mean everybody starts smoking it. There are a huge amount of non smokers even for legal tobacco. More people would smoke weed Im sure, but to what affect? Its not the most harmful are addictive stuff in the world. Its pretty much a natural growing plant. There is strong argument regarding freedom of choice for individuals. In places like Amsterdam where its farily easy to smoke weed legally, society hasnt fallen apart as a result. But really its difficult to fully assess what impact it has until it actually happens. My guess would be that as with alcohol, most smokers would still be able to smoke weed relatively responsibly.

Im not too sure weed is this whiter than than white drug that people are making out, we currently have a generation of young lazy fookers who sit round doing nothing more than claiming benefits and getting stoned all the time. Not sure how legalizing it is going to help this. Added to that the most of these people ive meet are nearly brain dead from all the smoking of it, they can barely remember their name their memory is so shot

My main objection to this is more health related than economy based. Imagine how much more wide spread it would become if it were to be made legal

compelling and rich wrote:Im not too sure weed is this whiter than than white drug that people are making out, we currently have a generation of young lazy fookers who sit round doing nothing more than claiming benefits and getting stoned all the time. Not sure how legalizing it is going to help this. Added to that the most of these people ive meet are nearly brain dead from all the smoking of it, they can barely remember their name their memory is so shot

My main objection to this is more health related than economy based. Imagine how much more wide spread it would become if it were to be made legal

research in New Zealand would back up your claims http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-19372456

Compelling - thats because they use particular brands that are mixxed with other chemicals. While the natural growing weed and most variants are harmful they are considerably less than alcohol or cigarettes. But certain variants are akin to putting anti freeze in your beer and drinking that. Its not the beer that'll do you in, its the anti freeze. Those variants wont ever be legal even if weed is legalised.

"Participants were frank about their substance abuse habits because they trust our confidentiality guarantee, and 96% of the original participants stuck with the study from 1972 to today.

"It is such a special study that I'm fairly confident that cannabis is safe for over-18 brains, but risky for under-18 brains."

From your article victor

I'll have to take your word for it shah as I wouldn't know, just my first hand observations of it. Im sure abit would sneak through though, look at the cheap crappy imported fags that get smoked in this country, if its cheaper people wont care. Look at the horse meat scandal

compelling and rich wrote:My main objection to this is more health related than economy based. Imagine how much more wide spread it would become if it were to be made legal

Aye, when the powers that be are trying to reduce cigarette smoking, I really don't see them legalising this and giving people something else to smoke. We're clearly going the other way. With the way the world is now, if cigarettes had only just been invented, there's no way they'd roll them out into every supermarket and corner shop.

It's true of other everyday stuff too by the way. Imagine if up to now we'd only had trains and trams and someone went on Dragon's Den with a car. So, tell us about the dangers, the pollution, and an estimate of the number of casualties per year... I'm out.