Was Mayweather's greatest win really that great?

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The superfeather weight fight against Diego Corrales is widely regarded as Floyd Mayweather's greatest win.

Corrales like Mayweather was an unbeaten young champion, Corrales had a great record of 33-0 with a high KO %.
Corrales was a huge superfeather over 5ft 10 and the fight was a 50/50 and was eagerly anticipated.

Now on the surface this looks like a great win for Mayweather his best in his career albeit 10 years ago but closely inspection of the Corrales physical and mental condition and realised that the Corrales that Mayweather faced was of a shell of the fighter he was and how good was he really.

First off Corrales had violent argument with his then wife that would lead to his marriage break-up and lead to Corrales serving a 14 month prison sentence.

He also had the court date looming at the time of the Mayweather fight, which Corrales new he would face prison because he would plea bargain.

The Mayweather fight was rushed together and Corrales had a falling out with his management for given away his title without his consent to a stablemate Steve Forbes. His management did not seem to be acting in his best interests.

Corrales sued his management which became another distraction in the lead up to the Mayweather fight.

Corrales being that tall struggled to make weight and at 22/23 when he was still growing it became even more difficult, he should have moved up to lightweight or even light-welter but his management wanted to cash in on the Mayweather fight.

It would be the last time Corrales would fight at 130lbs but he did everything he could to make weight. He would only eat a grapefruit a day when cutting, jogging in rubber suits, steam baths after steam bath. On the day of the weigh in Corrales lost 8lbs in that morning but for all his efforts of his grapefruit diet and running in a rubber suit he was still 2lbs over. He went back and managed to get the extra 2lbs off in time but at what cost.

On fight night Corrales body was starved and waterlogged trying to rehydrate which led to disastrous effects. Come the 3-4th round Corrales's body was cramping up, not only was he fighting Floyd Mayweather he was fighting all the effect of starving and dehydrating himself and then rehydrating again.


Corrales open and aggressive style was made for Mayweather, Mayweather also taunted him about his personal problems which Corrales took the bait and played into Mayweather's hand added to his mental and physical problems, does this taint this win of Mayweather's, which is meant to be his greatest?

http://www.newsreview.com/sacramento/rises-falls-of-diego-corrales/content?oid=14761

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHmSOtS7rWA
Awesome

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehydration

Symptoms may include headaches similar to what is experienced during a hangover, muscle cramps (especially leg cramps), a sudden episode of visual snow, decreased blood pressure (hypotension), and dizziness or fainting when standing up due to orthostatic hypotension. Untreated dehydration generally results in delirium, unconsciousness, swelling of the tongue and, in extreme cases, death.

We know Corrales was suffering from muscle cramps throughout the fight, especially leg cramps.

I think it is clear Corrales was medically dehydrated.

Took his '0', not just picking leftovers. Destroyed him.

D4thincarnation wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehydration

Symptoms may include headaches similar to what is experienced during a hangover, muscle cramps (especially leg cramps), a sudden episode of visual snow, decreased blood pressure (hypotension), and dizziness or fainting when standing up due to orthostatic hypotension. Untreated dehydration generally results in delirium, unconsciousness, swelling of the tongue and, in extreme cases, death.

We know Corrales was suffering from muscle cramps throughout the fight, especially leg cramps.

I think it is clear Corrales was medically dehydrated.

Like Morales, Oscar and Cotto?

Amazing left hooks.

BALTIMORA wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehydration

Symptoms may include headaches similar to what is experienced during a hangover, muscle cramps (especially leg cramps), a sudden episode of visual snow, decreased blood pressure (hypotension), and dizziness or fainting when standing up due to orthostatic hypotension. Untreated dehydration generally results in delirium, unconsciousness, swelling of the tongue and, in extreme cases, death.

We know Corrales was suffering from muscle cramps throughout the fight, especially leg cramps.

I think it is clear Corrales was medically dehydrated.

Like Morales, Oscar and Cotto?

None of them experience the symptoms of dehydration.

D4thincarnation wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehydration

Symptoms may include headaches similar to what is experienced during a hangover, muscle cramps (especially leg cramps), a sudden episode of visual snow, decreased blood pressure (hypotension), and dizziness or fainting when standing up due to orthostatic hypotension. Untreated dehydration generally results in delirium, unconsciousness, swelling of the tongue and, in extreme cases, death.

We know Corrales was suffering from muscle cramps throughout the fight, especially leg cramps.

I think it is clear Corrales was medically dehydrated.

I think Floyd's left hooks gave him more headaches.

azania wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehydration

Symptoms may include headaches similar to what is experienced during a hangover, muscle cramps (especially leg cramps), a sudden episode of visual snow, decreased blood pressure (hypotension), and dizziness or fainting when standing up due to orthostatic hypotension. Untreated dehydration generally results in delirium, unconsciousness, swelling of the tongue and, in extreme cases, death.

We know Corrales was suffering from muscle cramps throughout the fight, especially leg cramps.

I think it is clear Corrales was medically dehydrated.

I think Floyd's left hooks gave him more headaches.

Might have also been draining 10lbs of water out him the day before, might have played the part.

D4thincarnation wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehydration

Symptoms may include headaches similar to what is experienced during a hangover, muscle cramps (especially leg cramps), a sudden episode of visual snow, decreased blood pressure (hypotension), and dizziness or fainting when standing up due to orthostatic hypotension. Untreated dehydration generally results in delirium, unconsciousness, swelling of the tongue and, in extreme cases, death.

We know Corrales was suffering from muscle cramps throughout the fight, especially leg cramps.

I think it is clear Corrales was medically dehydrated.

Like Morales, Oscar and Cotto?

None of them experience the symptoms of dehydration.

Proof?

D4thincarnation wrote:

azania wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehydration

Symptoms may include headaches similar to what is experienced during a hangover, muscle cramps (especially leg cramps), a sudden episode of visual snow, decreased blood pressure (hypotension), and dizziness or fainting when standing up due to orthostatic hypotension. Untreated dehydration generally results in delirium, unconsciousness, swelling of the tongue and, in extreme cases, death.

We know Corrales was suffering from muscle cramps throughout the fight, especially leg cramps.

I think it is clear Corrales was medically dehydrated.

I think Floyd's left hooks gave him more headaches.

Might have also been draining 10lbs of water out him the day before, might have played the part.

He signed the contract.

BALTIMORA wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehydration

Symptoms may include headaches similar to what is experienced during a hangover, muscle cramps (especially leg cramps), a sudden episode of visual snow, decreased blood pressure (hypotension), and dizziness or fainting when standing up due to orthostatic hypotension. Untreated dehydration generally results in delirium, unconsciousness, swelling of the tongue and, in extreme cases, death.

We know Corrales was suffering from muscle cramps throughout the fight, especially leg cramps.

I think it is clear Corrales was medically dehydrated.

Like Morales, Oscar and Cotto?

None of them experience the symptoms of dehydration.

Proof?

Yes do you have proof that they did?

Probably about as much as you do regarding Corrales.

prettyboykev wrote:Probably about as much as you do regarding Corrales.

Bingo. May take him a while to grasp that concept though.

prettyboykev wrote:Probably about as much as you do regarding Corrales.

I provided a link to an candid interview with Corrales in which he backs up everything I have stated.

D4 I got two words for ya'

"Great Win!"

D4thincarnation wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:Probably about as much as you do regarding Corrales.

I provided a link to an candid interview with Corrales in which he backs up everything I have stated.

Just sounds like a fighter making excuses for losing a fight. Go look at an interview of before the fight he probably gives the same rudey poo cliches about it being the best traing camp he's ever had.

All Time Great wrote:D4 I got two words for ya'

"Great Win!"

Fantastic win. Took him apart.

D4thincarnation wrote:

azania wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehydration

Symptoms may include headaches similar to what is experienced during a hangover, muscle cramps (especially leg cramps), a sudden episode of visual snow, decreased blood pressure (hypotension), and dizziness or fainting when standing up due to orthostatic hypotension. Untreated dehydration generally results in delirium, unconsciousness, swelling of the tongue and, in extreme cases, death.

We know Corrales was suffering from muscle cramps throughout the fight, especially leg cramps.

I think it is clear Corrales was medically dehydrated.

I think Floyd's left hooks gave him more headaches.

Might have also been draining 10lbs of water out him the day before, might have played the part.

In all honesty, do you think that had an effect on Oscar?

D4thincarnation wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehydration

Symptoms may include headaches similar to what is experienced during a hangover, muscle cramps (especially leg cramps), a sudden episode of visual snow, decreased blood pressure (hypotension), and dizziness or fainting when standing up due to orthostatic hypotension. Untreated dehydration generally results in delirium, unconsciousness, swelling of the tongue and, in extreme cases, death.

We know Corrales was suffering from muscle cramps throughout the fight, especially leg cramps.

I think it is clear Corrales was medically dehydrated.

Like Morales, Oscar and Cotto?

None of them experience the symptoms of dehydration.

Proof?

Yes do you have proof that they did?

Oscar said it did. What more proof do you want? Are you also aware that Manny weighed more than Oscar come fight time?

prettyboykev wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:Probably about as much as you do regarding Corrales.

I provided a link to an candid interview with Corrales in which he backs up everything I have stated.

Just sounds like a fighter making excuses for losing a fight. Go look at an interview of before the fight he probably gives the same rudey poo cliches about it being the best traing camp he's ever had.

No Corrales was telling like it is. You can see that from his weight problems, the fact he move up, the law suit, he belt being given away, his change in management. The symptoms of dehydration described by Corrales. Are we to believe that Corrales researched these symptoms to be apart of some charade.

The interview is about Corrales career and he talks about jail, his ex-wife, his early childhood and much more, was all this made up too.

Come on please.

I believe Morales also made noises to the effect that he had been struggling to make 130.

By the way D4, why do you insist on stating, over and over, that this was Corrales' last fight at 130 lb? It wasn't. He fought three or four more times at the weight at least and even reclaimed the title there.

BALTIMORA wrote:I believe Morales also made noises to the effect that he had been struggling to make 130.

Yeah but we all know that was just an excuse. Weight draining didnt affect Morales when he fought Pac. Weight draining didn't have an effect when Oscar fought Pac. Weight draining didn't have an effect when Cotto fought Pac. Age is not an issue for SSM. Neigher that he hasn't won a fight in 25 years and slurring his speach. SSM will be in the greatest fight ever regardless that he will retire after this fight coz of his age. You know the drill.

88Chris05 wrote:By the way D4, why do you insist on stating, over and over, that this was Corrales' last fight at 130 lb? It wasn't. He fought three or four more times at the weight at least and even reclaimed the title there.

Oh dear. Perhaps he had too many grapefruits and a mango. Modern diets eh.

88Chris05 wrote:By the way D4, why do you insist on stating, over and over, that this was Corrales' last fight at 130 lb? It wasn't. He fought three or four more times at the weight at least and even reclaimed the title there.

My mistake, it was at the time of the article. He fought 2 more at the weight, both against Cassa, lost one by TKO 6th round and then got a SD in the rematch.

BALTIMORA wrote:I believe Morales also made noises to the effect that he had been struggling to make 130.

Any proof, and struggling is one thing, showing symptoms of severe dehydration is another.

D4thincarnation wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:By the way D4, why do you insist on stating, over and over, that this was Corrales' last fight at 130 lb? It wasn't. He fought three or four more times at the weight at least and even reclaimed the title there.

My mistake, it was at the time of the article. He fought 2 more at the weight, both against Cassa, lost one by TKO 6th round and then got a SD in the rematch.

So if he was so weight drained making 130lbs why did he do it 2 more times?

azania wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:I believe Morales also made noises to the effect that he had been struggling to make 130.

Yeah but we all know that was just an excuse. Weight draining didnt affect Morales when he fought Pac. Weight draining didn't have an effect when Oscar fought Pac. Weight draining didn't have an effect when Cotto fought Pac. Age is not an issue for SSM. Neigher that he hasn't won a fight in 25 years and slurring his speach. SSM will be in the greatest fight ever regardless that he will retire after this fight coz of his age. You know the drill.

Pretty much nailed it. One thing I do know is that if I was Manny Pacquiao and I read any of D4's threads I'd be very, very scared.

prettyboykev wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:By the way D4, why do you insist on stating, over and over, that this was Corrales' last fight at 130 lb? It wasn't. He fought three or four more times at the weight at least and even reclaimed the title there.

My mistake, it was at the time of the article. He fought 2 more at the weight, both against Cassa, lost one by TKO 6th round and then got a SD in the rematch.

So if he was so weight drained making 130lbs why did he do it 2 more times?

Dehydration, dropping that much weight so quickly is a problem. If you have a good diet you slowly take the weight off.

As we know Corrales lost 10lbs of water after some serious cutting on the day of the weigh in.

D4thincarnation wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:I believe Morales also made noises to the effect that he had been struggling to make 130.

Any proof, and struggling is one thing, showing symptoms of severe dehydration is another.

D4, you know I have proof. I showed it to you a couple weeks back. Do you want me to find it again?

BALTIMORA wrote:

azania wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:I believe Morales also made noises to the effect that he had been struggling to make 130.

Yeah but we all know that was just an excuse. Weight draining didnt affect Morales when he fought Pac. Weight draining didn't have an effect when Oscar fought Pac. Weight draining didn't have an effect when Cotto fought Pac. Age is not an issue for SSM. Neigher that he hasn't won a fight in 25 years and slurring his speach. SSM will be in the greatest fight ever regardless that he will retire after this fight coz of his age. You know the drill.

Pretty much nailed it. One thing I do know is that if I was Manny Pacquiao and I read any of D4's threads I'd be very, very scared.

Stalker type scared?

D4thincarnation wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:I believe Morales also made noises to the effect that he had been struggling to make 130.

Any proof, and struggling is one thing, showing symptoms of severe dehydration is another.

http://ringsidereport.com/?p=979

"Now, Morales struggled to make the 130 pound super featherweight weight limit necessary to fight Pacquiao."

BALTIMORA wrote:

azania wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:I believe Morales also made noises to the effect that he had been struggling to make 130.

Yeah but we all know that was just an excuse. Weight draining didnt affect Morales when he fought Pac. Weight draining didn't have an effect when Oscar fought Pac. Weight draining didn't have an effect when Cotto fought Pac. Age is not an issue for SSM. Neigher that he hasn't won a fight in 25 years and slurring his speach. SSM will be in the greatest fight ever regardless that he will retire after this fight coz of his age. You know the drill.

Pretty much nailed it. One thing I do know is that if I was Manny Pacquiao and I read any of D4's threads I'd be very, very scared.

Pacquiao is fearless.

azania wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:

azania wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:I believe Morales also made noises to the effect that he had been struggling to make 130.

Yeah but we all know that was just an excuse. Weight draining didnt affect Morales when he fought Pac. Weight draining didn't have an effect when Oscar fought Pac. Weight draining didn't have an effect when Cotto fought Pac. Age is not an issue for SSM. Neigher that he hasn't won a fight in 25 years and slurring his speach. SSM will be in the greatest fight ever regardless that he will retire after this fight coz of his age. You know the drill.

Pretty much nailed it. One thing I do know is that if I was Manny Pacquiao and I read any of D4's threads I'd be very, very scared.

Stalker type scared?

Absolutely bricking it scared.

D4thincarnation wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:

azania wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:I believe Morales also made noises to the effect that he had been struggling to make 130.

Yeah but we all know that was just an excuse. Weight draining didnt affect Morales when he fought Pac. Weight draining didn't have an effect when Oscar fought Pac. Weight draining didn't have an effect when Cotto fought Pac. Age is not an issue for SSM. Neigher that he hasn't won a fight in 25 years and slurring his speach. SSM will be in the greatest fight ever regardless that he will retire after this fight coz of his age. You know the drill.

Pretty much nailed it. One thing I do know is that if I was Manny Pacquiao and I read any of D4's threads I'd be very, very scared.

Pacquiao is fearless.

Except for needles (when not having tats) that test for roids in your blood.

BALTIMORA wrote:

azania wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:

azania wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:I believe Morales also made noises to the effect that he had been struggling to make 130.

Yeah but we all know that was just an excuse. Weight draining didnt affect Morales when he fought Pac. Weight draining didn't have an effect when Oscar fought Pac. Weight draining didn't have an effect when Cotto fought Pac. Age is not an issue for SSM. Neigher that he hasn't won a fight in 25 years and slurring his speach. SSM will be in the greatest fight ever regardless that he will retire after this fight coz of his age. You know the drill.

Pretty much nailed it. One thing I do know is that if I was Manny Pacquiao and I read any of D4's threads I'd be very, very scared.

Stalker type scared?

Absolutely bricking it scared.

How 'bout that Corrales win though? Fantastic, wasn't it?

BALTIMORA wrote:How 'bout that Corrales win though? Fantastic, wasn't it?

Not really for the reasons I have pointed out, but probably still Floyd's best.

BALTIMORA wrote:How 'bout that Corrales win though? Fantastic, wasn't it?

Awesome win Balti a boxing clinic.

BALTIMORA wrote:How 'bout that Corrales win though? Fantastic, wasn't it?

Superb. One left hook made him piroette (spelling) on his knees. Almost balletic. Like that check hook against Hatton.

He's a bloody great boxer, only a buffoon would claim otherwise.

BALTIMORA wrote:He's a bloody great boxer, only a buffoon would claim otherwise.

Easily the best of his generation. Runs RJJ close for the best over the past 20 years.

Technical excellence.

azania wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:He's a bloody great boxer, only a buffoon would claim otherwise.

Easily the best of his generation. Runs RJJ close for the best over the past 20 years.

But guys don't ignore the Mosely that Manny will face, with his handspeed, destructive power , stamina & granite chin!

I would have him just ahead of RJJ the best since Sugar Ray Leonard imo. An awesome talent.

sohotnot wrote:

azania wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:He's a bloody great boxer, only a buffoon would claim otherwise.

Easily the best of his generation. Runs RJJ close for the best over the past 20 years.

But guys don't ignore the Mosely that Manny will face, with his handspeed, destructive power , stamina & granite chin!

For the first five minutes, at least.

Corrales's condition for the raises issue about the safety of fighters if a fighter can enter the ring in such a bad state.

prettyboykev wrote:I would have him just ahead of RJJ the best since Sugar Ray Leonard imo. An awesome talent.

Hmmm,I thik your username gives away a certain bias there.

D4thincarnation wrote:Corrales's condition for the raises issue about the safety of fighters if a fighter can enter the ring in such a bad state.

Oscar? SSM?

Fair enough but it's not an outrageous claim. Is it?