Argentina vs England - 8.10pm KO

by king_carlos Sat 08 Jun 2013, 6:57 pm

First topic message reminder :

I haven't seen a match thread for the game yet so thought I'd get one up and going, with the game on BBC hopefully plenty will be watching!

Argentina

M Bustos Moyano (Montpellier); M Orlando (Huirapuca), G Tiesi (unattached), F Contepomi (Stade Francais), M Montero (Club Pucara); B Urdapilleta (Oyonnax), M Landajo (CASI); P Henn (Brive), M Garcia Veiga (Buenos Aires C & CR), M Bustos (Montpellier), E Lozada, (Agen) M Galarza (University of La Plata), J Farias Cabello (unattached), B Macome (Tucuman), T Leonardi (Southern Kings).

Replacements: M Guidone (La Plata), G Roan (Cavalieri Prato), F Gomez Kodela (Biarritz), T Vallejos Cinalli (unattached), T De la Vega (CUBA), N Vergallo (Southern Kings), G Ascarate (Carcassonne), B Agulla (unattached).

England

M Brown (Harlequins); C Wade (Wasps), J Joseph (London Irish), B Twelvetrees (Gloucester), D Strettle (Saracens); F Burns (Gloucester), L Dickson (Northampton); J Marler (Harlequins), R Webber (Bath), D Wilson (Bath), J Launchbury (Wasps), D Attwood (Bath), T Wood (Northampton, capt), M Kvesic (Worcester), B Morgan (Gloucester).

Replacements: D Paice (London Irish), H Thomas (Sale Sharks), P Doran-Jones (Northampton), C Lawes (Northampton), B Vunipola (Wasps), R Wigglesworth (Saracens), K Eastmond (Bath), B Foden (Northampton).

Looking at the teams both sides are unsurprisingly putting out some new faces with Argentina fielding a very experimental side.

For those wanting to watch the BBC 2 coverage starts at 7.30pm with KO at 8.10pm. Hopefully we'll see a good game with some bruising forward battles up front and some skill from the backs in behind them - as an England fan I yet live in hope of the Burns, Twelvetrees and Wade rejuvenation of the backline!

by t1000advancedprototype Sat 08 Jun 2013, 8:53 pm

Why is there a Colombian drug lord at 15?

by nathan Sat 08 Jun 2013, 8:54 pm

t1000advancedprototype wrote:The English lads look much older than the Wales team that beat Japan earlier.

Looks like the Welsh management want to expose as much youth to international rugby as possible. Will it be a long term benefit?

They haven't much choice have they?

by wales606 Sat 08 Jun 2013, 8:54 pm

t1000advancedprototype wrote:The English lads look much older than the Wales team that beat Japan earlier.

Looks like the Welsh management want to expose as much youth to international rugby as possible. Will it be a long term benefit?

Wales only have 4 other players the could have taken - Paul James, Matthew Rees, Ryan Jones and James Hook

15 away with the Lions, several injured and 4 rested

by HammerofThunor Sat 08 Jun 2013, 8:55 pm

t1000advancedprototype wrote:The English lads look much older than the Wales team that beat Japan earlier.

Looks like the Welsh management want to expose as much youth to international rugby as possible. Will it be a long term benefit?

We make our players earn caps tomato

But yes, we took a pretty strong squad and most of the new players are the ones being called for for a year or so.

by wales606 Sat 08 Jun 2013, 8:56 pm

t1000advancedprototype wrote:Why is there a Colombian drug lord at 15?

Don't be mean to Mike Brown now...

by Duty281 Sat 08 Jun 2013, 8:56 pm

Complete confidence from 1-15 and complete dominance at the set-piece. Some errors creeping in, think that's just inexperience though. Keep it up England.

by HammerofThunor Sat 08 Jun 2013, 8:57 pm

Well this shows what you can do when the defence gives you room to breath. Not so easy with a hoard of Welshmen in your face.

by t1000advancedprototype Sat 08 Jun 2013, 8:58 pm

I think a black Shane Williams has been unearthed by England. Exciting times ahead.

9. Youngs
10. Farrell
11. Ashton (on form)
12. Twelvetrees
13. Tuilagi
14. Wade
15. Foden

There's your best backline for the autumn

by HammerofThunor Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:00 pm

t1000advancedprototype wrote:I think a black Shane Williams has been unearthed by England. Exciting times ahead.

9. Youngs
10. Farrell
11. Ashton (on form)
12. Twelvetrees
13. Tuilagi
14. Wade
15. Foden

There's your best backline for the autumn

Since Williams was a white Robinson, does that mean Wade is a black white Robinson? That is probably the back line most would like to see.

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:00 pm

Average English 15 age= 24.6 years old (22= 24.8)
Welsh = 23.5 (23.2) so it's a bit younger, yes

by Hood83 Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:00 pm

Weird how we could be that far ahead and I'm still slightly disappointed! I think our accuracy at times has been poor and we've rushed things. We could be 40 points up. Still, some top work, great off-loading and running angles. Morgan makes such a difference.

I hope we thump them. I understand why they want to hold players back but I think we deserved them to play a few more first-team players

by **LondonTiger** Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:02 pm

Robinson has been a shockingly poor co-commentator, however when he accused us of showboating at one point he was right. Some fance offloads that actually accomplished nothing.

Some really good stuff though as well.

by king_carlos Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:02 pm

It's one of Wade's best assets how quickly he makes an impact on those watching him play. He's showed his full array out there with his passing game on show as well as his pace and quick feet.

9.Youngs
10.Farrell or Burns
11.Yarde, May or Foden
12.Twelvetrees
13.Tuilagi
14.Wade
15.Brown

With Care, Allen, Barritt, Ashton (on form) and Tait backing them up I'd love to see that going forward!

by t1000advancedprototype Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:02 pm

Six Nations

2011: England winner
2012: England 2nd
2013: England 2nd

If England actually pick form players in the right positions they should have a great chance next year.

by majesticimperialman Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:02 pm

Would never had expected this score at half time to be honest.

If England keep this game going, it could well be embarrising for Argentina.

by HammerofThunor Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:02 pm

Hood83 wrote:Weird how we could be that far ahead and I'm still slightly disappointed! I think our accuracy at times has been poor and we've rushed things. We could be 40 points up. Still, some top work, great off-loading and running angles. Morgan makes such a difference.

I hope we thump them. I understand why they want to hold players back but I think we deserved them to play a few more first-team players

We've often treated games in the AI as warm ups for tri nation sides. So only fair, their priority is the championship.

by HammerofThunor Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:05 pm

t1000advancedprototype wrote:Six Nations

2011: England winner
2012: England 2nd
2013: England 2nd

If England actually pick form players in the right positions they should have a great chance next year.

I can see a few sides being strong next season depending on Lions injuries. Wales have broken their ups and downs with back to back championships. Ireland have a new (decent) coach. France are France (not as bad as some think).

by t1000advancedprototype Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:05 pm

HammerofThunor wrote:
t1000advancedprototype wrote:I think a black Shane Williams has been unearthed by England. Exciting times ahead.

9. Youngs
10. Farrell
11. Ashton (on form)
12. Twelvetrees
13. Tuilagi
14. Wade
15. Foden

There's your best backline for the autumn

Since Williams was a white Robinson, does that mean Wade is a black white Robinson? That is probably the back line most would like to see.

Does Wade have a Chinese cousin? He could be the yellow black white Robinson.

by t1000advancedprototype Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:05 pm

Here's Pablo Escobar going for goal.

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:08 pm

Brown should have fed Wade

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:09 pm

Good kick

by Mr Bounce Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:10 pm

It's frightening for Argentina that when Ben Morgan goes off, Billy Vunipola comes on. Ouch.

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:11 pm

Argentina engaged at exactly the same time as England...

by HammerofThunor Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:11 pm

Mr Bounce wrote:It's frightening for Argentina that when Ben Morgan goes off, Billy Vunipola comes on. Ouch.

I hope he comes on soonish to get a decent run

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:12 pm

HammerofThunor wrote:
Mr Bounce wrote:It's frightening for Argentina that when Ben Morgan goes off, Billy Vunipola comes on. Ouch.

I hope he comes on soonish to get a decent run

They'll just think Morgan's got a tan

by wales606 Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:13 pm

Argentina cant even kick points

Why can't Contepomi kick?

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:13 pm

Why isn't Dr Contepomi kicking?

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:14 pm

t1000advancedprototype wrote:The English lads look much older than the Wales team that beat Japan earlier.

Looks like the Welsh management want to expose as much youth to international rugby as possible. Will it be a long term benefit?

I'd be surprised if there was much difference in average ages, not many past 25 in the England team.

Dickson is awful.

by majesticimperialman Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:14 pm

England cannot afford to get lazy in the 2nd half.

Too many times teams have gone in to the lead before half time and then sat back, took their foot off the pedal and lost the game.

England cannot afford to do that.

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:14 pm

Should have scored that 3 times over

by wales606 Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:15 pm

oooh, should have finished that

by HammerofThunor Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:15 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:Why isn't Dr Contepomi kicking?

Probably because it doesn't matter if he gains experience in it.

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:15 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:Average English 15 age= 24.6 years old (22= 24.8)
Welsh = 23.5 (23.2) so it's a bit younger, yes

by nathan Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:17 pm

This ref is making a few dodgy decisions.

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:17 pm

Ludicrously dangerous offload from JJ

by HammerofThunor Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:17 pm

I think that was forward

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:17 pm

forwrad pass

by wales606 Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:18 pm

The difference being that most of the Welsh players are not first choice for their regions

I think all the English players are first choice for their club and play regular rugby

That's the advantage of 12 teams over 4

Twelvetrees deserves a try, it's a pity

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:18 pm

scrum here is ok

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:19 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:Average English 15 age= 24.6 years old (22= 24.8)
Welsh = 23.5 (23.2) so it's a bit younger, yes

Wales just beat Japan, were smashing Argentina.......

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:19 pm

terrible penalty decision

by HammerofThunor Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:20 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:Average English 15 age= 24.6 years old (22= 24.8)
Welsh = 23.5 (23.2) so it's a bit younger, yes

Wales just beat Japan, were smashing Argentina.......

Just beat Japanese team that had played the week before. Smashing a massively weakened Argentinian team with their first game after we've had two

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:20 pm

Argentina's lineout is awful

by wales606 Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:21 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:Average English 15 age= 24.6 years old (22= 24.8)
Welsh = 23.5 (23.2) so it's a bit younger, yes

Wales just beat Japan, were smashing Argentina.......

Grow up

Wales 3rds and 4th beat Japans 1st

Englands 2nds are beating Argentina's 2nd and 3rd

Leave it for the first teams to decide who is better, ok?

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:22 pm

clear knock on by Argentine 9! Let it go because they are getting smashed

by king_carlos Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:22 pm

Strong work from Kvesic and Morgan then idiotic work from Strettle and Marler.

Good game from Atwood once again throwing his weight around effectively.

by BamBam Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:23 pm

England to win by 6 or more at evens was practically free money!

by HammerofThunor Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:24 pm

Lawes on for Attwood?

by wales606 Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:24 pm

BamBam wrote:England to win by 6 or more at evens was practically free money!

wish I had seen those odds with the difference on paper between these sides!

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:24 pm

Marler, you were having a good game, you moron!

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