Can Brook v Khan Sell Out Wembley?

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Khan has said: " Having the fight in the UK would be amazing. I'd like it somewhere such as Wembley Stadium which I think would be a quick sell out."

Hearn has said the fight will be massive and what the British public want.

Can Matchroom repeat the Wembley trick?

IN fairness, Toppy most of them hadn't. Even so, if you want to seel anything north of an arena full then you need the casuals to buy into it. If people are influenced by peoples' experiences at FGII then they are, in my opinion, less likely to want to fork out for Brook v Khan.

Also remember that Groves and Froch are both white......

Color of skin does help in marketability..............Especially back home but I'm sure here too.....If maybe to a lesser extent !!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Also remember that Groves and Froch are both white......

Color of skin does help in marketability..............Especially back home but I'm sure here too.....If maybe to a lesser extent !!

Is DeGale seen as less British or something in your world?

Strongback wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Also remember that Groves and Froch are both white......

Color of skin does help in marketability..............Especially back home but I'm sure here too.....If maybe to a lesser extent !!

Is DeGale seen as less British or something in your world?

Rather than libel Hearn like you do every week..

Feel free to call me a racist ??

See what happens..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Also remember that Groves and Froch are both white......

Color of skin does help in marketability..............Especially back home but I'm sure here too.....If maybe to a lesser extent !!

Are you sh tting me, you could market a radish over here if you stuck a union jack on it.

If Khan could sell 50,000 here...............No way would he go to Washington against Petersen in front of 2,000 max.....

Brook is a no name...........and they haven't got a great, controversial first fight behind them......and there is no real dislike...So no grudge match..

Should have put a union jack on Fury and Chisora..........If ticket sales are to be believed.

To Truss's point, I remember hearing somewhere before that prior to Leona Lewis all reality tv show winners in the UK had been white. Could be purely coincidental rather than the general public showing favouritism.

I can't see Khan-Brook selling out Wembley as neither are great talkers which Groves and to a lesser extent Froch excelled at so more difficult to engage the casual fan, as well as FGII had the unique selling point of the controversy and uncertainty over the stoppage in the first fight.

White people are more likely to have white idols........

More white people over here......

It's not a racist thing..............Just how it is.....

Me I couldn't give a toss If they are brown, white, black or pink..

Sorry but that's an excuse to try and justify certain peoples behaviour. Fury vs chisora featured a big white guy so by Truss's logic should have sold, it didn't because of the price of tickets.

Groves/Froch II sold out Wembley due to the pantomime of a first fight not because both look like they enjoy moonbathing.

Sportsmen/women tend not to have a colour barrier anymore as people want them to do well for their country etc. You'll always get some idiots but they're few and far between.

Disappointed in that statement.

Derbymanc wrote:Sorry but that's an excuse to try and justify certain peoples behaviour. Fury vs chisora featured a big white guy so by Truss's logic should have sold, it didn't because of the price of tickets.

Groves/Froch II sold out Wembley due to the pantomime of a first fight not because both look like they enjoy moonbathing.

Sportsmen/women tend not to have a colour barrier anymore as people want them to do well for their country etc. You'll always get some idiots but they're few and far between.

Disappointed in that statement.

The first fight was a shed..

Stop p*****g about with what I write..

Also remember that Groves and Froch are both white......

Color of skin does help in marketability..............Especially back home but I'm sure here too.....If maybe to a lesser extent !!

That's what you wrote Trussy and it's Bullsh t.

The first fight ended in a pantomime way which is what helped sell the 2nd Groves/Froch fight, the colour of their skin had nothing to do with it, apart from too the few idiots that believe in racist crap.

If you don't like people calling you on the offensive stuff you write then don't write it.

Some of Britain's biggest current sporting heros are Mo Farah (a Somali Muslim immigrant) and Jess Ennis (a mixed race child of a Jamaican father).

British boxing's next great hope is arguably AJ, and most would agree he (if successful) will be massively popular, and he's a son of Nigerian immigrant parents. He will be a 21st century version (though hopefully more talented & successful) of Frank Bruno who was an incredibly popular son of West Indian immigrant parents.

So, basically, I'm not sure what you're getting at, Truss??

Derbymanc wrote:Also remember that Groves and Froch are both white......

Color of skin does help in marketability..............Especially back home but I'm sure here too.....If maybe to a lesser extent !!

That's what you wrote Trussy and it's Bullsh t.

The first fight ended in a pantomime way which is what helped sell the 2nd Groves/Froch fight, the colour of their skin had nothing to do with it, apart from too the few idiots that believe in racist crap.

If you don't like people calling you on the offensive stuff you write then don't write it.

It's not b******t...........It's a fact...............

Only offensive to idiots..

Are people really stupid enough not to know Color sells ??..

Geez..

Still call Boxers great white hopes FFS..

I think people can get behind a character they can relate to.

Take Ricky Hatton. Every inch the every man, likes a pint of Guinness, likes his football, humble and relatable. A big part of his popularity was being a man of the people. I don't think being white is enough to get white people to relate to you.

Think it's a bit of a stretch to say Brook or Khan are being held back due to their race. I don't agree with that, if that's what's being suggested.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Are people really stupid enough not to know Color sells ??..

Geez..

Still call Boxers great white hopes FFS..

British examples, please?

Watched Minter v Hagler the other day..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Watched Minter v Hagler the other day..

So you're only way to substantiate your point is from 30 years ago?

Do you even realise how ridiculous you sound??!

Fathers have impressionable Sons who have impressionable Sons..

Color sells.............Always has..........

Being naive or contrary like usual..

Derbymanc wrote:Also remember that Groves and Froch are both white......

If you don't like people calling you on the offensive stuff you write then don't write it.

This is the problem with Society today............You have an opinion based on certain truths............and It's offensive....

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Fathers have impressionable Sons who have impressionable Sons..

Color sells.............Always has..........

Being naive or contrary like usual..

So that'll be a no then. Ergo you're full of crap.

Nobody is claiming that the UK is some utopia of free thinking, open minded individuals. There are racists in this country as in any other.

But being of an ethnic minority doesn't have a detrimental effect on your popularity or marketability. Being white doesn't give you a free pass to popularity.

Look.............Ask yourself this honest question..

If a Promoter had the choice of a good looking white boxer or a good looking black Boxer of similar ability...

Who would he choose to sign ???

If you say the black one It's bollox...

I don't like it anymore than anyone else....

The rise of the BNP in 2009 and the rise of UKIP in 2014..(Largest party) Show that many people want their BRITAIN back...

I hate all that stuff..

Don't be naive guys !!

I deal in honest truths and I'm not racist.

Firmly believe with Sky's hype machine of 2014 back then, a Benn Eubank fight would have sold out Wembley stadium. They aren't white.

'truths' that you cannot support with any evidence?

They were huge characters like Frazier v Ali..........and had a great first fight that wasn't in a Stadium

Why was Gerry Cooney so big ??.............

So again your answer is an example from 30 years ago.....??

Why not go the full hog and use Jeffries to make your point, the original 'great white hope'??

That's the crux of my argument. Khan and especially Brook aren't huge characters, they couldn't sell out a stadium regardless of colour.

I'm not on here to discuss these type of things so I'll leave it at that.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Look.............Ask yourself this honest question..

If a Promoter had the choice of a good looking white boxer or a good looking black Boxer of similar ability...

Who would he choose to sign ???

If you say the black one It's bollox...

I don't like it anymore than anyone else.....

End of..

End of what? You trying to peddal opinion as 'fact'?

I see only 4 out of 24 posters think It's a huge fight..

Which means........?

No offence......But you're better off on the off topic section, Mate..

Or maybe come back when Chris is on...  

Better off??

You continually fail to see the hilarious irony of such statements - i.e. for all your boasted 'infinite boxing wisdom' you're an absolute doddle to take apart, even my someone like me whose knowledge you scoff at!!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Derbymanc wrote:Also remember that Groves and Froch are both white......

If you don't like people calling you on the offensive stuff you write then don't write it.

This is the problem with Society today............You have an opinion based on certain truths............and It's offensive....

 
Nope what you say is racist and offensive.
 
There's a small minority that might think like you do but it's a minority. Most get behind British sportsmen/women regardless of skin colour.
Show me 1 British boxer thats failed in the last few years due to the colour of his skin.

Can I also make the point that Brook/Khan won't be able to sell out Wembley Arena and it's nothing to do with the colour of their skin, more to do with the fact that the only selling point is that they don't like each other .......a bit. There's no build up like Froch/Groves, no clamouring for it like Benn/Eubank, It can still do well but not Wembley Well.

Colour sells? Who let Truss near the time machine - the fat sod has set it to 1965!

Maybe 20/30 years ago at the absolute minimum colour "sold" but now, we've moved on as a country and consider our fighters on their merits rather than by the colour of their skin. Jeez, didn't expect to read anything so neanderthal.

In regards to your question - good looking white boxer (Joe Calzaghe) or Good looking Black boxer (Roy Jones Jr) who would you sign in 2003?

I'd sign RJJ every single day of the week because I'm not a racist oik like some around here it seems.

I'll defend you Beefster, whilst I don't think colour is perhaps as big a deal as you think do think to a certain extent, particularly in the States talented white fighters are seen as something as the holy grail. I look at people like Joe Mesi from not so long back, he was promoted and hyped in complete disproportion to his actual talents. Can only assume to some extent the fact he was both white and Italian American was a factor in this.

Don't agree Rowley, at all. Outside of racism - which lets face it is the minority now, skin colour doesn't matter at all even in America.

They call "the great white hope" because of a recognition of the skin colour and size being heavyweight, not as a detriment to the other fighters who are black.

JabMachineMK2 wrote:Colour sells? Who let Truss near the time machine - the fat sod has set it to 1965!

Maybe 20/30 years ago at the absolute minimum colour "sold" but now, we've moved on as a country and consider our fighters on their merits rather than by the colour of their skin. Jeez, didn't expect to read anything so neanderthal.

In regards to your question - good looking white boxer (Joe Calzaghe) or Good looking Black boxer (Roy Jones Jr) who would you sign in 2003?

I'd sign RJJ every single day of the week because I'm not a racist oik like some around here it seems.

All the personal stuff..............But don't worry I won't CRY to the mods........like a little squirty wirty..

Rowley wrote:I'll defend you Beefster, whilst I don't think colour is perhaps as big a deal as you think do think to a certain extent, particularly in the States talented white fighters are seen as something as the holy grail. I look at people like Joe Mesi from not so long back, he was promoted and hyped in complete disproportion to his actual talents. Can only assume to some extent the fact he was both white and Italian American was a factor in this.

Never said it was a big issue color...just that it does exist in sport.......Nor did I say I agreed with it.....So why I'm a racist..God only knows.....

I agree with your post Rowls.....Lesser issue over here..But still prevalent.

Can you name me some recent british boxers that have been held back because of their colour Truss?

I'm genuinely intrigued by this as I'd say it was near enough a non -issue on this great isle of ours.

Skin colour can make a slight difference to how a boxer sells in Britain but I don't believe it is down to racism but more down to relating to somebody similar to yourself.

Ricky Hatton is the perfect example, his draw was disproportionate to both his talent and his charisma, he did however have a man of the people image which Man City fans in particular related to. Now there is a strong majority of white males in this country which is understandable so those who relate to him outnumber those who relate to Amir Khan for example.

That is one very specific example which is an anomaly amongst a varied mix of cultures who sit at the apex of British boxing; Haye, Khan, Calzaghe and Froch in recent times have all had a strong backing.

You do also have to look at the specific reasons why boxers are disliked and it has nothing to do with ethnicity; Haye is seen as a let down who promised much without delivering, Khan had a habit of speaking before engaging his brain, Calzaghe's career for the most part was dire and Froch has a very high opinion of himself.

Froch and Khan I would say get an equal share of bad rep amongst boxing fans which suggests to me that it goes far beyond skin colour. Joshua is seen as the next big hope for British heavyweight boxing and at a relative stage in his career is rated far higher than Price for instance.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Strongback wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Also remember that Groves and Froch are both white......

Color of skin does help in marketability..............Especially back home but I'm sure here too.....If maybe to a lesser extent !!

Is DeGale seen as less British or something in your world?

Rather than libel Hearn like you do every week..

Feel free to call me a racist ??

See what happens..

See what happens????? What are you going to do pull your usual cnuts trick and go whining to the mods. I still remember you as the super-grass of the old board.


You have a warped attitude towards race which you have demonstrated on a regular basis. You seem to have particular problems with South Asians.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

JabMachineMK2 wrote:Colour sells? Who let Truss near the time machine - the fat sod has set it to 1965!

Maybe 20/30 years ago at the absolute minimum colour "sold" but now, we've moved on as a country and consider our fighters on their merits rather than by the colour of their skin. Jeez, didn't expect to read anything so neanderthal.

In regards to your question - good looking white boxer (Joe Calzaghe) or Good looking Black boxer (Roy Jones Jr) who would you sign in 2003?

I'd sign RJJ every single day of the week because I'm not a racist oik like some around here it seems.

All the personal stuff..............But don't worry I won't CRY to the mods........like a little squirty wirty..

I've told you fatso - present evidence, I've said i don't mind the mods posting anything you're saying I've said to them - but you're the true definition of pot - kettle and black.

You're a waste of time, I've not read anything good from you in months.

Don't be like that.......

You can be so hurtful at times..

Froch v Groves proves color is not an issue.

Why does colour of skin effect marketability?

Hasn't seemed to bother Mayweather.

Didn't bother Frazier and Ali either..

Did bother Cooney and other white hopes....

Dipper Brown wrote:Think it's a bit of a stretch to say Brook or Khan are being held back due to their race. I don't agree with that, if that's what's being suggested.

I don't think that they're being held back either. But it's certainly not impossible to suggest that they would be more popular if they were white.