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Post by laverfan Thu 28 May 2015, 1:32 am

First topic message reminder :

Day 6 - Friday 29 May 2015

Philippe-Chatrier Court - 11:00 AM

Women's Singles - Round 3

Alize Cornet (FRA) [29] vs. Mirjana Lucic-Baroni (CRO)

Men's Singles - Round 3

Damir Dzumhur (BIH) vs. Roger Federer (SUI) [2]

Women's Singles - Round 3

Samantha Stosur (AUS) [26] vs. Maria Sharapova (RUS) [2]

Men's Singles - Round 3

Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA) [14] vs. Pablo Andujar (ESP)

Suzanne-Lenglen Court 11:00 AM

Women's Singles - Round 3

Ana Ivanovic (SRB) [7] vs. Donna Vekic (CRO)

Not Before: 12:00 PM
Men's Singles - Round 2

Richard Gasquet (FRA) [20] vs Carlos Berlocq (ARG) To Finish 3-6 6-3 6-1 4-6

Men's Singles - Round 3

Nicolas Mahut (FRA) vs.Gilles Simon (FRA) [12]

Men's Singles - Round 3

Gael Monfils (FRA) [13] vs Pablo Cuevas (URU) [21]

Women's Singles - Round 3

Carla Suarez Navarro (ESP) [8] vs. Flavia Pennetta (ITA) [28]

Court 1 11:00 AM

Men's Doubles - Round 2

Bob Bryan (USA) [1]
Mike Bryan (USA) [1]
vs.

Thanasi Kokkinakis (AUS)
Lucas Pouille (FRA)

Women's Singles - Round 3

Lucie Safarova (CZE) [13] vs. Sabine Lisicki (GER) [20]

Men's Singles - Round 3

Stan Wawrinka (SUI) [8] vs. Steve Johnson (USA)

Men's Singles - Round 3

Benoit Paire (FRA) vs. Tomas Berdych (CZE) [4]

Court 2 11:00 AM

Men's Singles - Round 3

Lukas Rosol (CZE) vs. Teymuraz Gabashvili (RUS)

Not Before: 12:30 PM

Women's Singles - Round 3

Elena Vesnina (RUS) vs. Ekaterina Makarova (RUS) [9]

Women's Singles - Round 3

Garbine Muguruza (ESP) [21] vs. Angelique Kerber (GER) [11]

Mixed Doubles - Round 1

Alize Cornet (FRA)
Eric Butorac (USA)

vs.

Caroline Garcia (FRA) [5]
Bob Bryan (USA) [5]

Read more at http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/scores/schedule/index.html#GjkQzAtVTCyFOWHd.99


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Day 5 - Thursday - Paris Time 11am

Court Philippe-Chatrier

Women's Singles - Round 2

Julia Goerges (GER) vs. Caroline Wozniacki (DEN) [5]

Men's Singles - Round 2

Nicolas Almagro (ESP) vs. Rafael Nadal (ESP) [6]

Men's Singles - Round 2

Andy Murray (GBR) [3] vs. Joao Sousa (POR)

Women's Singles - Round 2

Danka Kovinic (MNE) vs. Kristina Mladenovic (FRA)

Court Suzanne-Lenglen

Women's Singles - Round 2

Petra Kvitova (CZE) [4] vs. Silvia Soler-Espinosa (ESP)

Women's Singles - Round 2

Serena Williams (USA) [1] vs. Anna-Lena Friedsam (GER)

Men's Singles - Round 2

Novak Djokovic (SRB) [1] vs. Gilles Muller (LUX)

Men's Singles - Round 2

Richard Gasquet (FRA) [20] vs. Carlos Berlocq (ARG)

Read more at http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/scores/schedule/schedule10.html#98LB7tf3RrrTsRUb.99


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Post by Matchpoint Thu 28 May 2015, 6:19 pm

Relieved that Murray was able to rise above the TV disturbances to win his match like a big boy. Well-done. clap

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Post by temporary21 Thu 28 May 2015, 6:20 pm

Does that men if you wait for the crowd to stop being rowdy, youre going to get called a tv?

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Post by bogbrush Thu 28 May 2015, 6:20 pm

Yeah!

Anyway, nobody can say Murray is getting preferential treatment.

I'm sure Andy will roll with it and not make a fuss, it's in everyone's best interests that they make the rules work.
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Post by Guest Thu 28 May 2015, 6:21 pm

Coric just has one of those faces you want to punch.

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Post by bogbrush Thu 28 May 2015, 6:21 pm

temporary21 wrote:Does that men if you wait for the crowd to stop being rowdy, youre going to get called a tv?
No, because I'm sure the Umpire will be telling them to be quiet.
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Post by temporary21 Thu 28 May 2015, 6:22 pm

French crowds dont respond well to that, what if that takes too long and they try to steady themselves?

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Post by bogbrush Thu 28 May 2015, 6:23 pm

Well the Ump does tell them to settle, even though they're French. I've never seen a player encouraged to play through noise.
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Post by Guest Thu 28 May 2015, 6:24 pm

Pascal and Andy won't lose any sleep over it anyway. You live you learn. Andy didn't get shirty over his 2 TVs and that shows respect. I am sure in the past his reaction might have been different Laugh

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Post by Guest Thu 28 May 2015, 6:25 pm

temporary21 wrote:French crowds dont respond well to that, what if that takes too long and they try to steady themselves?

Taser the crowd!

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Post by hawkeye Thu 28 May 2015, 6:39 pm

Laugh This is hilarious. How dare they give Murray a time violation. It was windy, the crowd was moving, it wasn't a good time, other players didn't get one and they were slower... dam it Rafa didn't even get one. I can't wait to read all the indignant press reports about it. What did the commentators say? I bet they were furious?

I wonder if a few more players had to play within the rules and didn't make a mockery of them if this rule would still be popular  chin

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Post by bogbrush Thu 28 May 2015, 6:44 pm

I think you're somewhat isolated on this one hawkeye.

Murray hasn't made a fuss and Murray fans on here are philosophical.

If I were you I'd drop it; he's shown the way for mature professionals to handle it.
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Post by Guest Thu 28 May 2015, 6:44 pm

Laugh

Your complaining about the press doing a HE? clap

The commentators basically said what many have said here and Petchey was spot on when he said the rule hadn't quickened play.

Least Murray's shorts were on the right way round Smile

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Post by temporary21 Thu 28 May 2015, 7:38 pm

How's the gasquet match going?

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Post by Guest Thu 28 May 2015, 7:44 pm

1-1 in sets last time I saw, though that was an hour ago Laugh

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Post by Guest Thu 28 May 2015, 8:00 pm

Where's Jahu and his manjuice flow??? Headscratch

Comeback Jahu I need to be entertained!! Hug

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Post by whocares Thu 28 May 2015, 8:16 pm

temporary21 wrote:How's the gasquet match going?

Gasquet leading 2 sets to one but trailing 5-4 in the 4th. Likely to finish tomorrow. Gasquet getting angry at the ref as well. Tense game.

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Post by whocares Thu 28 May 2015, 8:19 pm

2 sets all now. Game will resume tomorrow.

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Post by Josiah Maiestas Thu 28 May 2015, 8:19 pm

Can't stand the antics of Berlocq, the crowd are very annoying too, what is there to like in this tournament so far? My ears have died Sad
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Post by Mad for Chelsea Thu 28 May 2015, 8:28 pm

Berlocq has basically one weapon which is the BHDL. He's barely made any impact with it crosscourt all match, yet Gasquet still wasn't covering the shot after four sets of tennis. What that says about Gasquet's tennis brain (or lack thereof) I'll leave to the rest of you...

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Post by whocares Thu 28 May 2015, 9:08 pm

As usual Gasquet ended playing 5 metres behind the baseline. Doesnt help either.

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Post by HM Murdock Thu 28 May 2015, 9:23 pm

If Djokovic ever loses a point in a more bizarre way than this, I'll be amazed:

https://twitter.com/rolandgarros/status/603957395472064513

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Post by JuliusHMarx Thu 28 May 2015, 9:34 pm

HM Murdoch wrote:If Djokovic ever loses a point in a more bizarre way than this, I'll be amazed:

https://twitter.com/rolandgarros/status/603957395472064513

Ooops!

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Post by Haddie-nuff Thu 28 May 2015, 9:36 pm

Oh dear Headscratch

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Post by temporary21 Thu 28 May 2015, 9:42 pm

Yeah i saw that one, no cost to him in the end. Did anyon see his MTO

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Post by bogbrush Thu 28 May 2015, 9:47 pm

Give us a smile Novak! Smile
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Post by Aut0Gr4ph Thu 28 May 2015, 10:08 pm

hawkeye wrote:Laugh This is hilarious. How dare they give Murray a time violation. It was windy, the crowd was moving, it wasn't a good time, other players didn't get one and they were slower... dam it Rafa didn't even get one. I can't wait to read all the indignant press reports about it. What did the commentators say? I bet they were furious?

I wonder if a few more players had to play within the rules and didn't make a mockery of them if this rule would still be popular  chin

I'm really disappointed HE. I was convinced that you'd bring your campaigning zeal to bear on this shocking injustice. This could have been an historic moment where Andy and Rafa fans (and all other right-thinking people!!!) united in their mutual hatred and disgust at the evil, and very possibly satanic, forces that have taken root at the heart of this sport we all love. We could have gathered in Hyde Park, held hands, sung songs, marched on ATP HQ. We could have rattled some cages, perhaps even rattled some sabres, and shaken the crooked tennis technocrats to their very core. Oh well, a missed opportunity, I guess.....

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Post by bogbrush Thu 28 May 2015, 10:20 pm

Roland Garros 2015: Day 5.

An historic day.

The day the Nadal tv victimisation theory fell apart, the day almost all leading players voiced their solidarity with the Umpires, and the day the sport embraced the radical concept of following the rules. And of wearing your shorts the right way round.
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Post by bogbrush Thu 28 May 2015, 10:26 pm

And so on to day 6; where Roger is playing a miniature Bosnian (never heard of him, how's he got to #87?) and the charismatic #4 seed is once again on a court with a number.

Lots of French guys playing too and at least some are going out.
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Post by Guest Thu 28 May 2015, 10:30 pm

Berdych not on a show court???

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Post by hawkeye Thu 28 May 2015, 10:37 pm

The response to Murray getting a time violation is rather different to when the player who this rule is targeted gets one.

The umpires and players at the French Open are locked in a weird waltz – slow-slow, quick-quick slow – over the exasperating issue of time violations for tardy serving, and Andy Murray found himself at the centre of the debate on day five.

Twice on Thursday the French chair umpire Pascal Maria warned him for not serving within the prescribed 20 seconds during his win over João Sousa – once when wind gusted to interrupt him, later when Murray paused because he was distracted by replayed highlights on the big screen.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/may/28/andy-murray-time-violations-french-open-win

What a mess tennis has got itself in over the time violation rule.

Thursday’s events were particularly baffling, as Rafael Nadal – the slowest player on the men’s tour – got away with multiple breaches while Andy Murray was penalised twice in his match against Joao Sousa and ended up being docked a first serve.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/frenchopen/11636845/French-Open-2015-Andy-Murray-sets-up-third-round-clash-with-Nick-Kyrgios-after-feisty-win-over-Joao-Sousa.html

Monsieur Maria issued the World No 3 with two separate time violation warnings in the course of this second round match, much like Carlos Bernardes had done to so enrage serial offender Nadal during his Rio semi-final in February. If anything Murray had even more reason to feel slighted. Not only is he one of the quicker players on the tour, but the second had occurred while he was waiting for the big screen replay of the previous point to finish.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/tennis/andy-murray-marches-on-despite-time-violation-trouble.127454808

It's actually all worked rather well for Murray. He doesn't have to protest himself in fact he can sit back and let the media do it for him. I would like to think that if the media have any criticisms about how this rule is used it won't just apply to one player. I'm not sure how Murray surviving a couple of well placed tv's indicates that the rule is being used fairly.

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Post by Henman Bill Thu 28 May 2015, 10:37 pm

Interesting scoreline of Nadal vs Almagro, looked like a good win. All the top players cruising through. Federer's next opponent I've never even heard of. No shocks at all so far. Honestly not sure who is the highest men's seed to go out, I would have to look it up...

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Post by Guest Thu 28 May 2015, 10:41 pm

Murray getting a TV is different to Nadal getting one??

picard heard it all now.

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Post by JuliusHMarx Thu 28 May 2015, 10:43 pm

hawkeye wrote:I'm not sure how Murray surviving a couple of well placed tv's indicates that the rule is being used fairly.

It doesn't show that. What it shows, along with a whole lot of other evidence, is that the rule is not targeted at one player. So at least we can put that crazy idea to bed, given the weight of evidence against it.

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Post by bogbrush Thu 28 May 2015, 10:52 pm

It looks to me like the sport is unanimous in supporting the umpires here. Even the media seems to acknowledge the need for change.

Well, almost unanimous.
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Post by JuliusHMarx Thu 28 May 2015, 10:57 pm

Anyway - best move on to Day 6 on this thread. Any further tv discussion can head to the sticky.

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Post by Guest Thu 28 May 2015, 11:01 pm

Indeed.

Feel sorry for Berdman. Who the heck wants to see Simon/Mahut?!?

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Post by hawkeye Thu 28 May 2015, 11:07 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:
hawkeye wrote:I'm not sure how Murray surviving a couple of well placed tv's indicates that the rule is being used fairly.

It doesn't show that. What it shows, along with a whole lot of other evidence, is that the rule is not targeted at one player. So at least we can put that crazy idea to bed, given the weight of evidence against it.

I don't agree. Other players have got tv's in the past and will continue to do so. The response from the media is very different depending on who gets them. Why the concern for some players being disrupted and not for others? Why does the media talk about Nadal when another player has received a tv?

I agreed with this from the Simon Briggs article

There were strong comments from the pundits on ITV4’s French Open coverage. Mark Petchey referred to the time violation rule as “ludicrous, a bit of a joke”, while Jim Courier said it “doesn’t really speed the game up. And the second problem that we have is it isn’t implemented equally among the tours. When you come to these more physically demanding matches, no human can be ready in 20 seconds”.

But these concerns affect all players. I think it's great that these issues are being discussed and if Murray getting a tv makes people call for equal treatment then it's all for the good. But why no concern about equal treatment when Nadal had 8 matches affected by tv's on crucial points. If the media only makes a fuss when their home favorite gets penalized that is not equal treatment. So what happens now? There is still a rule in place that an Umpire can use if they want to deprive a player of a first serve on a crucial point if they so desire. Or if they are feeling understanding they can just ignore. There is no transparency.

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Post by dummy_half Thu 28 May 2015, 11:08 pm

legendkillarV2 wrote:Indeed.

Feel sorry for Berdman. Who the heck wants to see Simon/Mahut?!?

Let's wait for Wimbledon when Edmund v Bedene gets put on centre and (say) Ferrer is bumped... Wink Home nation favouritism is within the remit of the organising committee.

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Post by bogbrush Thu 28 May 2015, 11:16 pm

Excellent stuff hawkeye, above & beyond the call of duty.
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Post by CaledonianCraig Thu 28 May 2015, 11:23 pm

I only saw about less than half of the first set today but sounds like it Sousa played well and flustered Murray at times. Stats suggest Murray's serve was not great today so things for him to improve on. As for time violations well it does dismiss talk it is all geared to one player but Nishikori did escape the other day so consistency is needed so that it catches everyone. Anyway at least Murray didn't implode which may have happened a few years ago. On the playing front Andy will have to go up a level V Kyrgios.
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Post by hawkeye Fri 29 May 2015, 1:30 am

MTO's? I suppose no ones bothered by them anymore Wink

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Post by Belovedluckyboy Fri 29 May 2015, 2:11 am

Agree with hawkeye. Other players do get TVs but only Rafa got mentioned. And yes, Rafa gets his TVs at BPs faced many times, as if they're deliberate.

Having said that, Rafa really ought to speed up, he's way too slow, just goes out there and serves without the need to think too much; he's good enough to know where to place his serves even when he's in autopilot mode.

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Post by summerblues Fri 29 May 2015, 3:03 am

Kokkinakis, Coric, Kyrgios still in - not too bad.

In round 3 we will start seeing some trickier match ups for the seeds. Kyrgios could cause trouble to Andy if Andy is not careful. Kyrgios can look like a lo0se cannon at times, but he is a big game clutch player. If Andy lets him get into the match, he could be in for a tough fight.

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Post by Matchpoint Fri 29 May 2015, 7:58 am

hawkeye wrote:The response to Murray getting a time violation is rather different to when the player who this rule is targeted gets one.

The umpires and players at the French Open are locked in a weird waltz – slow-slow, quick-quick slow – over the exasperating issue of time violations for tardy serving, and Andy Murray found himself at the centre of the debate on day five.

Twice on Thursday the French chair umpire Pascal Maria warned him for not serving within the prescribed 20 seconds during his win over João Sousa – once when wind gusted to interrupt him, later when Murray paused because he was distracted by replayed highlights on the big screen.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/may/28/andy-murray-time-violations-french-open-win

What a mess tennis has got itself in over the time violation rule.

Thursday’s events were particularly baffling, as Rafael Nadal – the slowest player on the men’s tour – got away with multiple breaches while Andy Murray was penalised twice in his match against Joao Sousa and ended up being docked a first serve.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/frenchopen/11636845/French-Open-2015-Andy-Murray-sets-up-third-round-clash-with-Nick-Kyrgios-after-feisty-win-over-Joao-Sousa.html

Monsieur Maria issued the World No 3 with two separate time violation warnings in the course of this second round match, much like Carlos Bernardes had done to so enrage serial offender Nadal during his Rio semi-final in February. If anything Murray had even more reason to feel slighted. Not only is he one of the quicker players on the tour, but the second had occurred while he was waiting for the big screen replay of the previous point to finish.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/tennis/andy-murray-marches-on-despite-time-violation-trouble.127454808

It's actually all worked rather well for Murray. He doesn't have to protest himself in fact he can sit back and let the media do it for him. I would like to think that if the media have any criticisms about how this rule is used it won't just apply to one player. I'm not sure how Murray surviving a couple of well placed tv's indicates that the rule is being used fairly.
Tennis is fine. This post is a mess, as it makes zero sense still positing Nadal the only target given yesterday's evidence having completely overturning it. 

Give it up, HE, people know who the real culprit is  - the one who steps on his own feet but rather than accounting for his own missteps/failures, he blames others. It's always somebody's else's fault but his. of course, this way Nadal gets the most attention because he doesn't act like a champ with multi slams. I promise you, when he stops throwing tantrums and threat the RULES OF THE GAME and those assigned to enforce them with respect, demonstrating himself as a mature tennis professional, the press et al will return the favour.


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Post by Matchpoint Fri 29 May 2015, 8:05 am

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hawkeye wrote:I'm not sure how Murray surviving a couple of well placed tv's indicates that the rule is being used fairly.

It doesn't show that. What it shows, along with a whole lot of other evidence, is that the rule is not targeted at one player. So at least we can put that crazy idea to bed, given the weight of evidence against it.

Unfortunately HE still insisting Nadal being targeted. You can take the horse to the pond but not make it drink the water.  Laugh

I request permission to post 2 replies to TV issues here. Will go to the sticky from now.


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Post by bogbrush Fri 29 May 2015, 8:56 am

I understand the mix up but those are hawkeye posts, not HN.
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Post by hawkeye Fri 29 May 2015, 8:59 am

Matchpoint wrote:
Tennis is fine. This post is a mess, as it makes zero sense still positing Nadal the only target given yesterday's evidence having completely overturning it. 

Give it up, HN, people know who the real culprit is  - the one who steps on his own feet but rather than accounting for his own missteps/failures, he blames others. It's always somebody's else's fault but his. of course, this way Nadal gets the most attention because he doesn't act like a champ with multi slams. I promise you, when he stops throwing tantrums and threat the RULES OF THE GAME and those assigned to enforce them with respect, demonstrating himself as a mature tennis professional, the press et al will return the favour.

Why do you say that Nadal is the "real culprit" if Murray getting a tv has proved that he isn't? I would say that Nadal gets the most attention because he IS a champ. I still don't know why he has been targeted multiple times with tv's at crucial times in matches. When another player gets one it's treated in an entirely different way. Excuses are made and it is made out that the rule is the problem and not the player. Murray's complaints to the press were backed up. ie he was watching the tv screen, he didn't know long he had taken and at the same time the press managed to have a little swipe at the real target. It stinks.

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Post by Guest Fri 29 May 2015, 9:17 am

hawkeye wrote:
Matchpoint wrote:
Tennis is fine. This post is a mess, as it makes zero sense still positing Nadal the only target given yesterday's evidence having completely overturning it. 

Give it up, HN, people know who the real culprit is  - the one who steps on his own feet but rather than accounting for his own missteps/failures, he blames others. It's always somebody's else's fault but his. of course, this way Nadal gets the most attention because he doesn't act like a champ with multi slams. I promise you, when he stops throwing tantrums and threat the RULES OF THE GAME and those assigned to enforce them with respect, demonstrating himself as a mature tennis professional, the press et al will return the favour.

Why do you say that Nadal is the "real culprit" if Murray getting a tv has proved that he isn't? I would say that Nadal gets the most attention because he IS a champ. I still don't know why he has been targeted multiple times with tv's at crucial times in matches. When another player gets one it's treated in an entirely different way. Excuses are made and it is made out that the rule is the problem and not the player. Murray's complaints to the press were backed up. ie he was watching the tv screen, he didn't know long he had taken and at the same time the press managed to have a little swipe at the real target. It stinks.

Murray didn't complain!!! He just stated what he told the umpire.

At least try to state what actually happened than try and fictionalise the events.

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Post by Calder106 Fri 29 May 2015, 9:40 am

hawkeye wrote:
Matchpoint wrote:
Tennis is fine. This post is a mess, as it makes zero sense still positing Nadal the only target given yesterday's evidence having completely overturning it. 

Give it up, HN, people know who the real culprit is  - the one who steps on his own feet but rather than accounting for his own missteps/failures, he blames others. It's always somebody's else's fault but his. of course, this way Nadal gets the most attention because he doesn't act like a champ with multi slams. I promise you, when he stops throwing tantrums and threat the RULES OF THE GAME and those assigned to enforce them with respect, demonstrating himself as a mature tennis professional, the press et al will return the favour.

Why do you say that Nadal is the "real culprit" if Murray getting a tv has proved that he isn't? I would say that Nadal gets the most attention because he IS a champ. I still don't know why he has been targeted multiple times with tv's at crucial times in matches. When another player gets one it's treated in an entirely different way. Excuses are made and it is made out that the rule is the problem and not the player. Murray's complaints to the press were backed up. ie he was watching the tv screen, he didn't know long he had taken and at the same time the press managed to have a little swipe at the real target. It stinks.

Well I've read the articles you have linked and feel that to say he was complaining to the press would seem a bit of a skewed opinion. The press obviously asked him about the violations and he gave what seems to me to be balanced answers. These indicated that he knows that he can play too slowly especially when under pressure at crucial stages of matches. He supports the rule although he feels that the way it is implemented leaves a lot of grey areas. He obviously thinks a shot clock would be beneficial. On yesterdays TV's he gave a reason for why felt the second one happened. That was what he discussed with the umpire at the time. The umpire didn't think his point was valid and gave the loss of serve. It was accepted and he got on with the match. So no real drama.

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Post by Matchpoint Fri 29 May 2015, 9:47 am

bogbrush wrote:I understand the mix up but those are hawkeye posts, not HN.
OOps, my bad, corrected. Apologies to HN and HE and thanks to BB  Hug

Oh wait, I thought they're one and the same poster, in spirit anyway! Laugh

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