PRO12 has new Managing Director and he isn't Irish :D :yahoo:

LordDowlais wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

PhilBB wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

Or maybe, just maybe everyone decided to pitch their hat into the ring and see what happened

Are all teams eligible?

Well considering they were all asked to tender for it that would mean they were

Marty, because the criteria has never been made public, none of us will never know.

PhilBB wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

Challenging my grammar rather than the point

I'll join some of the dots for you, Ulster rugby are a Belfast based organisation contrary to your claim. They are a subsidiary of the IRFU and fall under UK tax regulations.

If you had the degree you claim you would be able to explain that governments, NIs private sector is heavily subsidised, regularly offer grants to private companies to boost the local economy. With increasing unemployment and a stagnant building market investment in projects such as Ravenhill, along with Casement Park and Windsor Park inject cash into the local economy and have long term benefits. One of the long term benefits of Ravenhill is the intention to include it in the RWC bid. I could also talk of the jobs boost to the local economy by employing more people, attracting more visitors and the support it gives to Ulster rugbys long term strategy to draw more to the game which leads to a healthier lifestyle and puts less strain on the NHS but that's more speculative.

We did this before. Remember? I wrote that I could imagine better use of £12m or so than to increase the ticket income of the IRFU.

SecretFly wrote:So where have we reached this morning?

Hmmmm.

Hyperbolic Grammatically Incompetent Ostriches?

You've all made real progress since last I was here.

PhilBB wrote:

Munchkin wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

Munchkin wrote:

Who say we don't care. I care, and it's great to see Glasgow fill the stadium. I'm delighted for them.

The Scots and the Italians don't get mentioned so much because it's not the Scots or Italians we are talking to. It is the Welsh who are coming up with nonsense claims, and it they who we reply to. Obviously.

The fact that except the Big Three provinces, every side in the Pro12 has a smaller average attendance than the regions, is acceptable then.

http://rugby.statbunker.com/competitions/HomeAttendance?comp_id=471

For goodness sake, Scarlets. Who is saying it's acceptable?

I can't be much plainer than this; the reason you don't hear us mention the Scots and the Italians so much is because it is you, the Regions fans, we are responding to, and what we are responding to is issues in Wales.

So you think crowds are not acceptable yet you are 'delighted' (your word) for Glasgow.

Well, that's logical.

PhilBB wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

Munchkin wrote:

Who say we don't care. I care, and it's great to see Glasgow fill the stadium. I'm delighted for them.

The Scots and the Italians don't get mentioned so much because it's not the Scots or Italians we are talking to. It is the Welsh who are coming up with nonsense claims, and it they who we reply to. Obviously.

The fact that except the Big Three provinces, every side in the Pro12 has a smaller average attendance than the regions, is acceptable then.

http://rugby.statbunker.com/competitions/HomeAttendance?comp_id=471

Oooooh, Ouch.

marty2086 wrote:
Yes and your attempts to distort the reality to make it seem like a great wrong has been down, woe is Welsh rugby those bad Irish attempting to do things. Where is our share? Remind me again how much government money went into the Millenium Stadium and the new Arms Park?

Well I guess you didn't fare too well with that Keynesian economics degree then, you'd probably baulk at the £25m boosting the IFAs tickets and the £46m boosting that other Dublin devil the GAA

Munchkin wrote:

You don't understand logic.

The reason I'm delighted is because Glasgow are on the up. They are consistent in being on the up. The are filling their stadium, and if they keep this going, it won't be long before they are forced to move to a bigger stadium. That's logical, and that gives me every reason to be delighted.

PhilBB wrote:

Munchkin wrote:

You don't understand logic.

The reason I'm delighted is because Glasgow are on the up. They are consistent in being on the up. The are filling their stadium, and if they keep this going, it won't be long before they are forced to move to a bigger stadium. That's logical, and that gives me every reason to be delighted.

Right, I see.

You were right, I don't understand that logic.

PhilBB wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Well BT are already paying a lot more than they needed to secure the TV rights for the Prem. They would have to pay a great deal more for the English clubs to even get the same money but you'd assume they'd want more to give up the control they have now. BT are apparently only willing to move forward with the Irish so not willing to offer the same money without or we'd go off without the Italians and Irish. Obviously this isn't true but it's what Chunks is going with.

How are you measuring the claim that they are paying 'a lot more than they needed to'?

The rest of your post seems to be poorly written supposition and nonsense, so I'll ignore that.

Munchkin wrote:

PhilBB wrote:

Munchkin wrote:

You don't understand logic.

The reason I'm delighted is because Glasgow are on the up. They are consistent in being on the up. The are filling their stadium, and if they keep this going, it won't be long before they are forced to move to a bigger stadium. That's logical, and that gives me every reason to be delighted.

Right, I see.

You were right, I don't understand that logic.

You wouldn't.

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

The season before it is similar, but the Dragons drop below Connacht and Edinburgh

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No 7&1/2 wrote:

No other bid was near. You're just a wum like Chunky then? fair enough.

No 7&1/2 wrote:

No other bid was near. You're just a wum like Chunky then? fair enough.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

The season before it is similar, but the Dragons drop below Connacht and Edinburgh

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It will alternate due to Judgement day I expect.

The attendance thing is a perfect smokescreen for Irish posters who haven't got a clue about the rugby landscape, to deflect the issues and try and bat them back with. They'll be linking to Andy Howell articles soon I bet.

PhilBB wrote:

marty2086 wrote:
Yes and your attempts to distort the reality to make it seem like a great wrong has been down, woe is Welsh rugby those bad Irish attempting to do things. Where is our share? Remind me again how much government money went into the Millenium Stadium and the new Arms Park?

Well I guess you didn't fare too well with that Keynesian economics degree then, you'd probably baulk at the £25m boosting the IFAs tickets and the £46m boosting that other Dublin devil the GAA

Please, do tell me how much Government money went into the Millennium Stadium. I'll look forward to your reply.

Also, what is the "Millennium Stadium and the new Arms Park"? What does that mean?

You keep forgetting that I understand the accelerator model but believe that it's not restricted to just building a stadium for rugby. Something else could have been built that wouldn't have boosted the ticket income of the IRFU. You do love that kind of diversionary tactic. Do you think it actually fools anybody?

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

Judgement Day attendance is always split between the Dragons and the Blues, it is their home game.

PhilBB wrote:

Munchkin wrote:

PhilBB wrote:

Munchkin wrote:

You don't understand logic.

The reason I'm delighted is because Glasgow are on the up. They are consistent in being on the up. The are filling their stadium, and if they keep this going, it won't be long before they are forced to move to a bigger stadium. That's logical, and that gives me every reason to be delighted.

Right, I see.

You were right, I don't understand that logic.

You wouldn't.

True. I wouldn't understand how you'd be delighted with a small crowd but disappointed with a larger crowd. It's almost like your penalising, in your logic, teams that have capacity in their stadiums.

PhilBB wrote:Can somebody, who is more experienced on this board, please explain to me why I was called a coward?

Thanks.

marty2086 wrote:

It means you keep asking questions to prolong this and Im finishing with this

I said government money I should have said public money, from the lottery, which was what? about half the cost of the Millennium Stadium? The project also saw the redevelopment of the Arms Park no?

Also if you studied NI, its economy and politics, you'd know they invested plenty of money as I've said elsewhere. See Titanic Belfast as an example.

The original plan was for one big stadium outside Belfast but politics got in the way, so the money that was earmarked for that was redistributed to improve all three stadiums in Belfast. Clear? No? Then

PhilBB wrote:Can somebody, who is more experienced on this board, please explain to me why I was called a coward?

Thanks.

PhilBB wrote:Can somebody, who is more experienced on this board, please explain to me why I was called a coward?

Thanks.

Munchkin wrote:

The capacity in their stadiums is a fact. I would be delighted for any side that is continually increasing in attendance. Why wouldn't I? It's progress. Glasgow are a growing success. They are ambitious and are very active in realising that ambition. They are not a team that wallows in self pity, blaming all else for their failings in the past. They identified their needs, and are meeting those needs head on. They are a team I can respect.

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

PhilBB wrote:Can somebody, who is more experienced on this board, please explain to me why I was called a coward?

Thanks.

Because you have a view that is not accepted by the majority, and you are vocal.  Due to that everything you post is dissected, and if your argument changes, it means that you are avoiding issues, and as such a coward who will not continually argue the exact same point against the majority.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

No other bid was near. You're just a wum like Chunky then? fair enough.

Link? Or you have made that up / are lying.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

PhilBB wrote:Can somebody, who is more experienced on this board, please explain to me why I was called a coward?

Thanks.

It's the way it works here. It was alluded to that I was a c*nt by a moderator last week. They regularly dish out abuse, then bizarrely claim you "give constant abuse", then label you trolls, wind up merchants and "spoofers" whatever that is.. It's very similar thinking to the diatribe they post on rugby matters.

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

PhilBB wrote:Can somebody, who is more experienced on this board, please explain to me why I was called a coward?

Thanks.

Because you have a view that is not accepted by the majority, and you are vocal.  Due to that everything you post is dissected, and if your argument changes, it means that you are avoiding issues, and as such a coward who will not continually argue the exact same point against the majority.

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

No other bid was near. You're just a wum like Chunky then? fair enough.

Link? Or you have made that up / are lying.

I'll post it once you have done with yours.

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

No other bid was near. You're just a wum like Chunky then? fair enough.

Link? Or you have made that up / are lying.

I'll post it once you have done with yours.

Munchkin wrote:

Wrong. Because, like a few others, he refuses to consider, and challenge, the failings of his own Region. He takes the cowards way out and blames anyone else for those failings.

P.s I did explain this.

PhilBB wrote:

Munchkin wrote:

The capacity in their stadiums is a fact. I would be delighted for any side that is continually increasing in attendance. Why wouldn't I? It's progress. Glasgow are a growing success. They are ambitious and are very active in realising that ambition. They are not a team that wallows in self pity, blaming all else for their failings in the past. They identified their needs, and are meeting those needs head on. They are a team I can respect.

Sure you can respect them as they are blazer owned. They have a huge wage bill, packed with international players, yet still have a paltry crowd.

Respect indeed.

Munchkin wrote:

There you go talking nonsense again. I respect them regardless of who owns them. I would describe them as paltry crowds. I would describe them as growing. Bitter much?

PhilBB wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

It means you keep asking questions to prolong this and Im finishing with this

I said government money I should have said public money, from the lottery, which was what? about half the cost of the Millennium Stadium? The project also saw the redevelopment of the Arms Park no?

Also if you studied NI, its economy and politics, you'd know they invested plenty of money as I've said elsewhere. See Titanic Belfast as an example.

The original plan was for one big stadium outside Belfast but politics got in the way, so the money that was earmarked for that was redistributed to improve all three stadiums in Belfast. Clear? No? Then

What redevelopment of the Arms Park?

I stand by my claim that the NI Government didn't need to spend £12m on a rugby stadium in order to meet the accelerator effect. That's blatantly obvious.

Now that you've backtracked from 'Government Money' (for which you used a childlike emoticon), please could you explain to me how you think the Arms Park was redeveloped.

Such a keen rugby man as yourself will be able to tell me the redevelopment that took place 16 years ago, right?

Munchkin wrote:The capacity in their stadiums is a fact. I would be delighted for any side that is continually increasing in attendance. Why wouldn't I? It's progress. Glasgow are a growing success. They are ambitious and are very active in realising that ambition. They are not a team that wallows in self pity, blaming all else for their failings in the past. They identified their needs, and are meeting those needs head on. They are a team I can respect.

SecretFly wrote:Ya mean he's an Ostrich, Munch???

Chunky Norwich wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

No other bid was near. You're just a wum like Chunky then? fair enough.

Link? Or you have made that up / are lying.

I'll post it once you have done with yours.

Have you got one then? I haven't.

If you have, please post it. Thanks.

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

No other bid was near. You're just a wum like Chunky then? fair enough.

Link? Or you have made that up / are lying.

I'll post it once you have done with yours.

Have you got one then? I haven't.

If you have, please post it. Thanks.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/31902745

I'll find the Sky bit now. You're the one that was mentioning all this as you looked on jealously. You really forgotten it all?

ScarletSpiderman wrote:But going by these stats, maybe you should be considering an apology to the regions for complaining about their low attendances, and going by your own words you should be delighted for them.

Chunky Norwich wrote:Which sentence in there am I specifically looking at to validate your claim? Thanks.

SecretFly wrote:Jesus, this Chunky is a lazy bugger!

Please find the links for me.
Please read it for me and find the pertinent parts.
Please keep my argument going for an hour as I have to go do some chores.

LordDowlais wrote:

SecretFly wrote:Jesus, this Chunky is a lazy bugger!

Please find the links for me.
Please read it for me and find the pertinent parts.
Please keep my argument going for an hour as I have to go do some chores.

Strange that, because that is what I am always asked to do, by you and the rest of your Irish brethren.

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

Ah that is because you are a lying welsh coward, and your word can not be trusted, whereas when a respectable poster comes out with claims it is good sportsmanship to accept them as fact without needing to see any evidence.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

Ah that is because you are a lying welsh coward, and your word can not be trusted, whereas when a respectable poster comes out with claims it is good sportsmanship to accept them as fact without needing to see any evidence.

Strange that No 7&1/2 never asked Irish posters for evdience when presented with the claim that English club bosses want to form a league with the 3 Big Irish teams.

I wonder why.

PhilBB wrote:

Munchkin wrote:

Wrong. Because, like a few others, he refuses to consider, and challenge, the failings of his own Region. He takes the cowards way out and blames anyone else for those failings.

P.s I did explain this.

Right. I guess that you've never read my blog. Or that you cannot remember our discussion on Roger Lewis. Or that you've not seen my twitter output.

I think that those are three fair assumptions, right?