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Post by hazharrison Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:05 pm

http://www.boxnation.com/boxing-news/was-floyd-mayweather-really-dehydrated-the-fallout-from-can-boxing-trust-usada/

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Post by Pound-for-Pound Tue Oct 13, 2015 5:14 pm

I want to stay interested in this story but what started out as a revelatory piece has just descended into back and forth mud-slinging between the two parties with no sign that Hauser will attain the evidence to fully expose USADA or Mayweather if there is guilt on their part. It feels as if he has just hit a road block in his ability to break new ground on the matter and is now just defending his previous statements while trying to draw USADA into saying more but with no new evidence to hit them with.

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Post by AdamT Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:53 pm

Mayweather 'in my opinion' has been naughty many years, like many top fighters.

It is why I think he is a hypocrite for hiding behind drug testing to avoid Manny.

Before people blast me it is only my opinion and for the record I think Floyd would won back then. But it would of been very close and he would of taken a bit of a hiding on route to victory.


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Post by milkyboy Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:12 pm

I found it strange that in the first article he didn't really pursue the fact that mayweather had no reason to rehydrate. I think I made that comment at the time. It's not evidence but it was the most obvious and damning element to the whole thing.

if you know the basics of pr, you can bury the key facts under a bus load of irrelevant ones which is what is happening to this boobie for tat stuff. I lost interest part way through this and I suspect most people did. Witch hunt or crusade? Depends on who your favourite is.

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Post by AdamT Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:01 am

Milky Floyd was 150 in the 30 day weigh in. No need for an extreme hydrate.

Apparently he is too small to fight GGG (I myself believed this) but now he is struggling to make welter?

Anyway it is obvious why he used the I.v and I will leave it. I will always respect his skills,he is great. However the fact he avoided Manny because of drug testing makes him a hypocrite in my eyes. He knew he had a real chance of losing that fight. The Cotto beating scared him In my opinion.


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Post by Valero's Conscience Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:30 pm

I admit, IV's are only used for people who have to cut a lot of weight which Floyd doesn't so is suspicious.

It will never come to anything and will be swept aside much like the vast accusations against Manny.

Regardless of this, Manny would have still been dominated.

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Post by AdamT Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:31 pm

I don't think he would of been dominated in 2009-10.


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Post by Valero's Conscience Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:00 pm

AdamT wrote:I don't think he would of been dominated in 2009-10.

I meant this year.

I would always fancy Maweather, however I'm sure it would of been closer.

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Post by AdamT Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:03 pm

I think he would of won back then, but it would been close.

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Post by 3fingers Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:08 pm

I suspect he wasn't pursued, previously, as he was 'paying everyone's wages' from TV execs to rival promoters and opponents. However, now hes retired an opportunity has materialised for a thorough investigation

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Post by AdamT Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:33 pm

The funny thing is, IF Floyd has been found to use anything he will be made a scapegoat.

Armstrong gets branded a cheat, but lets face it. His close competitors were doping too.

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Post by catchweight Wed Oct 14, 2015 10:01 pm

Hausers report revealed enough suspicious circumstances to make joining up the dots pretty straightforward. It will probably fall short of the hard evidence to prove there was foul play but thats innevetiable given the actual testing body charged with conducting the tests is not on board. Any boxer being linked with suspicious activity hardly raises eyebrows anymore. The more interesting aspect of the report is just how lacking credibility USADA actually is and how weak the testing is even dressed up as top level, Olympic style, professional etc. Its like you hire these guys when you want to cheat and get the all clear.

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Post by Dipper Brown Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:15 pm

Adam, Armstrong's cheating was the tip of the iceberg. Like you say, they were all at it but Armstrong was the head of an organised doping ring that ran on intimidation and abuse of power. It was more akin to organised crime than sport. That's the problem.

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Post by huw Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:48 am

It would be interesting if Mayweather was doping.

A bit like when someone accuses their partner of cheating on them, usually means they are cheating.

Above Armstrong is mentioned due to the fact he was obviously a complete arse in the way he went about it but would Mayweather be any different? Accuses a fellow fighter of cheating which tarnishes their reputation when he was cheating all along.

His standing in the sport of boxing is similar to Armstrong in that he is widely regarded as being top of his sport for many years.

Really hope he is clean, I would find it hard to have yet another reason to dislike him as he provides so many of them without this.

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Post by Rowley Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:18 pm

Remember watching a documentary on Armstrong. I suggested it was pretty well known Armstrong was doping throughout his career, but cycling had never been big in America and all of a sudden big businesses had access to the biggest market in the world. Suggested because of this there was no real desire to shoot the golden goose. Does make you wonder if there was really that great a desire in boxing to go after the few fighters who can actually shift PPV's

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Post by milkyboy Thu Oct 15, 2015 1:08 pm

huw wrote:

Really hope he is clean, I would find it hard to have yet another reason to dislike him as he provides so many of them without this.

when you're a wife beating, money worshipping, crass, arrogant braggart, would it make much difference to add lying, hypocritical drug cheat to the list?... or does it just kind of complete the set.

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Post by hazharrison Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:59 pm

Rowley wrote:Remember watching a documentary on Armstrong. I suggested it was pretty well known Armstrong was doping throughout his career, but cycling had never been big in America and all of a sudden big businesses had access to the biggest market in the world. Suggested because of this there was no real desire to shoot the golden goose. Does make you wonder if there was really that great a desire in boxing to go after the few fighters who can actually shift PPV's

There was no desire from anyone. The fact that Hauser actually wrote this still amazes me.

Promoters had no interest in rigorously testing PPV stars (that could potentially scupper a mega-promotion close to the fight).
In the same vein, the alphabets had no interest in rigourously testing PPV stars as that's where they obtain their biggest fees.
The drug testing body had no interest in busting Mayweather as he was paying them five times more than the going rate (and way more than that if we're using VADA's rates).
The press have no interest in pursuing such matters as a) investigative sports journalism is dead and b) they'd have their access pulled.

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Post by AdamT Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:12 pm

Poor Manny is the one who got tarnised. He has the genetics to grow naturally. Real superhuman he is.

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