The EU Referendum - Thursday 23 June (with voting poll)

by Electric Demon Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:17 pm

First topic message reminder :

It's not Labour or Corbyn's fault either

In this age of entitlement, "the workers" who traditionally voted Labour take the welfare state for granted and are now bizarrely right wing, even though they rely on the welfare policies of the left. (I am aware this is generalisation - but hey, that seems to be the crux of the thread)

The left and the working classes are completely at odds with each other now - which is a massive problem for Labour. It has to become 2 different parties because it won't be able to unite those 2 forces when there is a rejection of experts. But when that happens then there will be no party remotely able to challenge the Conservatives.

by **navyblueshorts** Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:01 pm

Duty281 wrote:The FTSE 250 is higher now than it was four months ago.

http://www.hl.co.uk/shares/stock-market-summary/ftse-250

As is the FTSE 100.

http://www.hl.co.uk/shares/stock-market-summary/ftse-100

Oh markets hate instability and change.

Sorry, but what does that prove other than to highlight what's just been wiped off for no good reason?? Oh, it's fine because they were lower four months ago so, that makes the continuing slide OK. Sorry, silly me...

by **navyblueshorts** Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:03 pm

Duty281 wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
Duty281 wrote:The FTSE 250 is higher now than it was four months ago.

http://www.hl.co.uk/shares/stock-market-summary/ftse-250

As is the FTSE 100.

http://www.hl.co.uk/shares/stock-market-summary/ftse-100

Oh markets hate instability and change.

This is correct. The markets have been steadily climbing over the last few months and now have fallen back to where they were at the start of the year (and are continuing to fall, and are predicted to be volatile over the short/medium term).

Explain to me why this paints the referendum outcome in a positive light?

As I've said - short term pain, long term gain.

And, there we have it. One of the dullest remarks yet for those about to go through the short/medium term pain.

by **navyblueshorts** Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:05 pm

Alex_Germany wrote:If we'd continued New Labour's expansion of University Education, and got 80% of people into University, we'd have voted Remain ...

God no! It's bad enough with so many that shouldn't be there now.

by Alex_Germany Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:08 pm

Sterling has fallen to 31 year lows according to headlines. And despite that, the FTSE is still down.

It seems that the UK has voted to take a 15% pay cut.

by lostinwales Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:24 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
Alex_Germany wrote:If we'd continued New Labour's expansion of University Education, and got 80% of people into University, we'd have voted Remain ...
God no! It's bad enough with so many that shouldn't be there now.

Universities have become a dumping ground so that our youth unemployment figures look good. Actually what a fantastic piece of business. We get to pay for the privilage of not having our kids mess up the unemployment stats.

by Hammersmith harrier Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:28 pm

lostinwales wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
Alex_Germany wrote:If we'd continued New Labour's expansion of University Education, and got 80% of people into University, we'd have voted Remain ...
God no! It's bad enough with so many that shouldn't be there now.

Universities have become a dumping ground so that our youth unemployment figures look good. Actually what a fantastic piece of business. We get to pay for the privilage of not having our kids mess up the unemployment stats.

Such statistics were being used yesterday to try and make out that those young people who voted remain knew what they were doing and some higher intelligence.

by **navyblueshorts** Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:33 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
Alex_Germany wrote:If we'd continued New Labour's expansion of University Education, and got 80% of people into University, we'd have voted Remain ...
God no! It's bad enough with so many that shouldn't be there now.

Universities have become a dumping ground so that our youth unemployment figures look good. Actually what a fantastic piece of business. We get to pay for the privilage of not having our kids mess up the unemployment stats.

Such statistics were being used yesterday to try and make out that those young people who voted remain knew what they were doing and some higher intelligence.

Most of them are bright, but many of them don't want/need an academic career/qualification. Don't conflate the above comments with not having a clue re. the Brexit decision just because it suits you.

by Hammersmith harrier Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:37 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
Alex_Germany wrote:If we'd continued New Labour's expansion of University Education, and got 80% of people into University, we'd have voted Remain ...
God no! It's bad enough with so many that shouldn't be there now.

Universities have become a dumping ground so that our youth unemployment figures look good. Actually what a fantastic piece of business. We get to pay for the privilage of not having our kids mess up the unemployment stats.

Such statistics were being used yesterday to try and make out that those young people who voted remain knew what they were doing and some higher intelligence.
Most of them are bright, but many of them don't want/need an academic career/qualification. Don't conflate the above comments with not having a clue
re. the Brexit decision just because it suits you.

Judging by facebook and numerous social sites they simply don't have a clue and just repeat like parrots what they've read, the majority of people who have been commenting on it including 99% on here also don't have a clue.

by Rowley Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:40 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
Alex_Germany wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:
I have no issue with immigration as long as the right people are entering the country, my two consultants are Romanian and Iranian, I hold both in very high regard for saving my life and the lives of many others. I do favour a points system like Australia and if it does in fact increase immigration then i'm all for it, 600,000 of the right people is better than 300,000 including say 50,000 coming for the wrong reasons.

A points system means you've got some bureaucrat deciding which professions to favour and which to not. Yes to gynaecologists and football players, no to fruit pickers and rugby players....depending on how the bureaucrat is feeling.

Right now, the vast majority of immigrants - especially EU immigrants - come to the UK to work. If there's work for them, they come. If there isn't, they don't, or they go back home. The market is giving the points.

The other point is that if you throttle back on EU migrants, you'll increase non EU migration. That might boost overall skills - but EU migrants do tend to integrate better, and are far more likely to go home if their work goes, or when they decide to retire. (Though that is also driven by the ability to travel: the EU allows you to work 5 years in the UK, back to Poland for 5 years, a few years in Germany, and then back to the UK. A points system wouldn't allow that.

I have no problem with that in the slighest, migrants coming to work in the medical profession are slightly more important than fruit pickers to be honest.

Aah, the good old Points Based System, the answer to all our Immigration woes. I wonder how many people who speak of a Points Based System realise that is exactly what we introduced in 2008. It was introduced to eliminate all elements of subjectivity from the assessment and to ensure all applications were assessed under objective, clear and fair criteria. Now does anyone feel these last eight years we have really got a grip on immigration or really tightened up? As someone who works in the industry I can assure you the system has certainly not meant a reduction in inconsistent or poor decision making.

The truth is the Points Based system has not worked, if you speak to anyone in the Home Office Policy team, as I have recently, in their more unguarded moments they will pretty much acknowledge this. What has happened is over the last two years, such things as genuineness tests have been introduced which is just a gentle euphemism for the very subjectivity the Points Based System was introduced to eliminate.

I am also at a loss to be honest why anyone would think we should model our system on the Australian system. They are currently trying to increase their population. Why on earth would we, a country seeking to decrease migration numbers, adopt the system of a country trying to increase their numbers?

The truth is immigration is massively difficult to control. Like all things drafted by government, be it tax regulations or planning consent for every person writing the guidance there are a plethora of people twice as smart trying to find loopholes or errors in that guidance (I say that not out of self-aggrandisement, I fill forms in), there are also just as many people of questionable morals only too happy to ignore the requirements or cheat them. Chasing these people down, closing the loopholes, fighting the associated appeals and court cases that ensue is a hugely complicated, long-winded and expensive process.

It should also be added the current tory government have not exactly taken a laissez faire attitude to immigration in their time in office. They have closed down numerous schemes, put the costs of most visas up way beyond anything even close to inflation, to numbers that would make your eyes water, made the criteria for most schemes much tougher and removed many of the appeal rights applications attract. How has all that worked out for them in terms of tangible reductions?

All of that is not to state that controlling immigration is not something that should be attempted or aspired to but more to illustrate it is a hugely difficult thing to do that cannot be solved by glib throw away phrases with little meaning and even less understanding like “points based system”

by Alex_Germany Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:34 pm

The other point is - Governments ought to have a damm good reason before they start imposing restrictions on people moving for work or lifestyle.

We can all benefit from the right to work and live in Europe. Why should Governments try and stop that?

by Coxy001 Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:39 pm

Duty281 wrote:The FTSE 250 is higher now than it was four months ago.

http://www.hl.co.uk/shares/stock-market-summary/ftse-250

As is the FTSE 100.

http://www.hl.co.uk/shares/stock-market-summary/ftse-100

Oh markets hate instability and change.

The 100 is the worst of the worse when it comes to measuring anything domestic related. Why? Because those on that list make somewhere in the region of 75% of annual revenues away from the UK.

The 250 is regarded by most smart people as the barometer as it has UK based companies that are looking inwards.

Lastly, the 250 suffered the biggest mind blowing off the cliff drop in it's history. It was lower in say 2010, but like you always like to do you ignore reasoning and facts and instead choose to point to irrelevant figures. The FACT is that the markets have all nose bombed in a matter of days at levels that are unprecedented. Typical bullcrap from you, as usual.

And to think the status quo is still there. Once we invoke article 50 then expect all hell to break loose.. More so than at present. Can you spell/read "£2trillion wiped off in one day"? It's only the remain camp who have sought to try and appease the markets, all leave have done is put more "it will be fiiiine" sh*t out there and backtracked from said crap they were spouting in the run up.

by Rowley Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:42 pm

Coxy, easy with the insults. Warnings were issued earlier. Wouldn't want to see you banned.

by milkyboy Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:45 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
Alex_Germany wrote:If we'd continued New Labour's expansion of University Education, and got 80% of people into University, we'd have voted Remain ...
God no! It's bad enough with so many that shouldn't be there now.

Universities have become a dumping ground so that our youth unemployment figures look good. Actually what a fantastic piece of business. We get to pay for the privilage of not having our kids mess up the unemployment stats.

Such statistics were being used yesterday to try and make out that those young people who voted remain knew what they were doing and some higher intelligence.
Most of them are bright, but many of them don't want/need an academic career/qualification. Don't conflate the above comments with not having a clue
re. the Brexit decision just because it suits you.

Judging by facebook and numerous social sites they simply don't have a clue and just repeat like parrots what they've read, the majority of people who have been commenting on it including 99% on here also don't have a clue.

Are you in the 99% or the 1% hammy?

I've got a degree in economics and I'm definitely in the 99. I learnt but three things. 1. Economics is a bit complicated 2. There are lots of models to explain things. 3. All the models feature a concept called 'externalities' a brilliant idea that allows for the model to be wrong due to unforeseen circumstances. Genius. I've long regretted not taking it up as a career option. Always wrong but never your fault due to circumstances you failed to account for in your model.

That aside, when there's something so obvious they pretty much all agree, it's a little churlish to criticise those who chose to believe over those who chose to ignore.

by Sin é Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:53 pm

There are more Britons on the dole in EU countries, than EU members on the dole in the UK.

Revealed: thousands of Britons on benefits across EU

The research shows more than four times as many Britons obtain unemployment benefits in Germany as Germans do in the UK, while the number of jobless Britons receiving benefits in Ireland exceeds their Irish counterparts in the UK by a rate of five to one.

There are not only far more Britons drawing benefits in these countries than vice versa, but frequently the benefits elsewhere in Europe are much more generous than in the UK. A Briton in France receives more than three times as much as a jobless French person in the UK.

The research is being published after the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, visited London this month for talks with the prime minister, David Cameron, who is campaigning to “reform” EU freedom of movement as part of his attempt to rewrite the terms of Britain’s EU membership before putting the issue to a referendum in 2017, if he is still in power.

In Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany, Austria, France and Ireland the number of Britons banking unemployment cheques is almost three times as high as the nationals of those countries receiving parallel UK benefits – 23,011 Britons to 8,720 nationals of those nine countries in the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/19/-sp-thousands-britons-claim-benefits-eu

Its also worth noting that for instance, the benefit in Ireland is double what it is in the UK.

Also worth noting - the European Medicines Agency (EU drug regulating body) is going to have to move from Canary Warf to an EU country. It employs 800 people. Sweden, Denmark, Italy and Germany are expressing interest.

http://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-vote-sets-off-race-to-seat-ema/

by Hammersmith harrier Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:58 pm

I'm very much in the don't have a clue camp Milky, if I did I wouldn't be commenting on here about it.

by Coxy001 Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:18 pm

Rowley wrote:Coxy, easy with the insults. Warnings were issued earlier. Wouldn't want to see you banned.

Liar!

by Rowley Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:21 pm

I've mellowed with age.

by Duty281 Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:23 pm

Coxy001 wrote:Typical bullcrap from you, as usual.

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by milkyboy Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:40 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I'm very much in the don't have a clue camp Milky, if I did I wouldn't be commenting on here about it.

Good to have you with me in team clueless hammy

by **Hero** Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:41 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Coxy001 wrote:Typical bullcrap from you, as usual.

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by Duty281 Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:44 pm

Hero wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Coxy001 wrote:Typical bullcrap from you, as usual.

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by **Hero** Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:50 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Hero wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Coxy001 wrote:Typical bullcrap from you, as usual.

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by **Hero** Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:41 pm

The Leave campaign should have got Roy Hodgson involved. He's the only person with a clear plan on how to get us out of Europe.

by pedro Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:45 pm

Don't put English women near vikings. We know what will happen.

by Electric Demon Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:53 pm

Hero wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Hero wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Coxy001 wrote:Typical bullcrap from you, as usual.

I was worried UKIP had no agenda left after the referendum

I'd forgotten number 2. Thank God for that.

by Rowley Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:59 pm

Don't write ukip off. If they're smart, and politically it would appear they are, they will remove themselves from the fray now. Then when the Tories negotiate the terms of our exit, which will almost certainly be a country mile short of the campaign promises they can ride back into town and bill themselves as the only party with the guts to actually stand up to those fat cat bureaucrats in Brussels with the hope of picking up those dissatisfied with the deal we end up getting.

by lostinwales Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:07 pm

Sin é wrote:There are more Britons on the dole in EU countries, than EU members on the dole in the UK.

Revealed: thousands of Britons on benefits across EU

The research shows more than four times as many Britons obtain unemployment benefits in Germany as Germans do in the UK, while the number of jobless Britons receiving benefits in Ireland exceeds their Irish counterparts in the UK by a rate of five to one.

There are not only far more Britons drawing benefits in these countries than vice versa, but frequently the benefits elsewhere in Europe are much more generous than in the UK. A Briton in France receives more than three times as much as a jobless French person in the UK.

The research is being published after the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, visited London this month for talks with the prime minister, David Cameron, who is campaigning to “reform” EU freedom of movement as part of his attempt to rewrite the terms of Britain’s EU membership before putting the issue to a referendum in 2017, if he is still in power.

In Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany, Austria, France and Ireland the number of Britons banking unemployment cheques is almost three times as high as the nationals of those countries receiving parallel UK benefits – 23,011 Britons to 8,720 nationals of those nine countries in the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/19/-sp-thousands-britons-claim-benefits-eu

Its also worth noting that for instance, the benefit in Ireland is double what it is in the UK.

Also worth noting - the European Medicines Agency (EU drug regulating body) is going to have to move from Canary Warf to an EU country. It employs 800 people. Sweden, Denmark, Italy and Germany are expressing interest.

http://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-vote-sets-off-race-to-seat-ema/

Do the Irish in the UK still do that thing where they sign on for benefits using an irish and an english spelling of their name?

by lostinwales Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:14 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
Alex_Germany wrote:If we'd continued New Labour's expansion of University Education, and got 80% of people into University, we'd have voted Remain ...
God no! It's bad enough with so many that shouldn't be there now.

Universities have become a dumping ground so that our youth unemployment figures look good. Actually what a fantastic piece of business. We get to pay for the privilage of not having our kids mess up the unemployment stats.

Such statistics were being used yesterday to try and make out that those young people who voted remain knew what they were doing and some higher intelligence.
Most of them are bright, but many of them don't want/need an academic career/qualification. Don't conflate the above comments with not having a clue
re. the Brexit decision just because it suits you.

Judging by facebook and numerous social sites they simply don't have a clue and just repeat like parrots what they've read, the majority of people who have been commenting on it including 99% on here also don't have a clue.

I don't know if I have a clue but I am trying to learn fast, and everything I have learned tells me we have entered a 'poopie' storm of unbelievable dimensions that was utterly avoidable. And every well reasoned fact based argument from people who should know what they are saying that I have come across supports that.

by Duty281 Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:57 pm

Hero wrote:The Leave campaign should have got Roy Hodgson involved. He's the only person with a clear plan on how to get us out of Europe.

Hodgson or Corbyn - who will go first?!

by pedro Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:04 pm

Roy looked better with Siegfried

by Sin é Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:08 pm

lostinwales wrote:
Sin é wrote:There are more Britons on the dole in EU countries, than EU members on the dole in the UK.

Revealed: thousands of Britons on benefits across EU

The research shows more than four times as many Britons obtain unemployment benefits in Germany as Germans do in the UK, while the number of jobless Britons receiving benefits in Ireland exceeds their Irish counterparts in the UK by a rate of five to one.

There are not only far more Britons drawing benefits in these countries than vice versa, but frequently the benefits elsewhere in Europe are much more generous than in the UK. A Briton in France receives more than three times as much as a jobless French person in the UK.

The research is being published after the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, visited London this month for talks with the prime minister, David Cameron, who is campaigning to “reform” EU freedom of movement as part of his attempt to rewrite the terms of Britain’s EU membership before putting the issue to a referendum in 2017, if he is still in power.

In Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany, Austria, France and Ireland the number of Britons banking unemployment cheques is almost three times as high as the nationals of those countries receiving parallel UK benefits – 23,011 Britons to 8,720 nationals of those nine countries in the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/19/-sp-thousands-britons-claim-benefits-eu

Its also worth noting that for instance, the benefit in Ireland is double what it is in the UK.

Also worth noting - the European Medicines Agency (EU drug regulating body) is going to have to move from Canary Warf to an EU country. It employs 800 people. Sweden, Denmark, Italy and Germany are expressing interest.

http://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-vote-sets-off-race-to-seat-ema/

Do the Irish in the UK still do that thing where they sign on for benefits using an irish and an english spelling of their name?

Considering the dole is half what it is in Ireland, they would need to do that. Interesting that Britons receiving benefits in Ireland exceeds their Irish counterparts in the UK by a rate of five to one.

11,222 Britons on dole in Ireland.
2,620 Irish on dole in UK

by Hammersmith harrier Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:29 pm

milkyboy wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:I'm very much in the don't have a clue camp Milky, if I did I wouldn't be commenting on here about it.

Good to have you with me in team clueless hammy

It just bugs me that so many people are now experts on things they simply do not understand.

Sin e, proportionally speaking that means a higher % of Irish are on the dole in the UK than vice versa but do ignore such a statistic.

by **Hero** Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:39 pm

I don't think anyone has claimed to be an expert, but we report on what we see and what experts say.
You're not an expert on football, but you'll happily bleat about that.

by lostinwales Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:42 pm

Whatever happens the likelihood is that things will settle down over time and we will be all right. The problem is that that process will take years and years and years. And quite frankly I am already sick of living through austerity and recession.

by Hammersmith harrier Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:46 pm

Hero wrote:I don't think anyone has claimed to be an expert, but we report on what we see and what experts say.
You're not an expert on football, but you'll happily bleat about that.

There's a difference, I can play football and I do understand football as do a whole of people, you however simply do not understand economics enough to comment on it.

by lostinwales Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:52 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
Hero wrote:I don't think anyone has claimed to be an expert, but we report on what we see and what experts say.
You're not an expert on football, but you'll happily bleat about that.

There's a difference, I can play football and I do understand football as do a whole of people, you however simply do not understand economics enough to comment on it.

Do you? -Isn't one way to learn to push ideas and get them shot down when they are wrong?

by Guest Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:56 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
milkyboy wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:I'm very much in the don't have a clue camp Milky, if I did I wouldn't be commenting on here about it.

Good to have you with me in team clueless hammy

It just bugs me that so many people are now experts on things they simply do not understand.

Sin e, proportionally speaking that means a higher % of Irish are on the dole in the UK than vice versa but do ignore such a statistic.

Surely the relevant proportion are the immigrants in each nation, rather than size of population?

Roughly 253k British in Ireland in 2013, and around 407k Irish in England in 2011. Those stats might be skewed though. It was just a quick glance.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:57 pm

And you equally have absolutely no understanding of football at international standard.

Youre an odd one. At this point I am qualified to have a conversation on teaching, the village of Haddenham, what the university of Lincoln is like, the inner workings of Coral bookmakers in Cambridgeshire and my own life. None of which interests me, so I'd feel for anyone else who might listen.

by Guest Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:59 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:And you equally have absolutely no understanding of football at international standard.

Youre an odd one. At this point I am qualified to have a conversation on teaching, the village of Haddenham, what the university of Lincoln is like, the inner workings of Coral bookmakers in Cambridgeshire and my own life. None of which interests me, so I'd feel for anyone else who might listen.

Neither does Hodgson

drumroll

by Rowley Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:03 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:And you equally have absolutely no understanding of football at international standard.

Youre an odd one. At this point I am qualified to have a conversation on teaching, the village of Haddenham, what the university of Lincoln is like, the inner workings of Coral bookmakers in Cambridgeshire and my own life. None of which interests me, so I'd feel for anyone else who might listen.

My nephew is at Lincoln.

by Hammersmith harrier Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:05 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:And you equally have absolutely no understanding of football at international standard.

Youre an odd one. At this point I am qualified to have a conversation on teaching, the village of Haddenham, what the university of Lincoln is like, the inner workings of Coral bookmakers in Cambridgeshire and my own life. None of which interests me, so I'd feel for anyone else who might listen.

International football like all sport has a very clear and simple objective; to win, it simply does not bear comparison to the rather more complicated and insane economic world.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:08 pm

Is the point of the economic world not to make money?

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:09 pm

Rowley wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:And you equally have absolutely no understanding of football at international standard.

Youre an odd one. At this point I am qualified to have a conversation on teaching, the village of Haddenham, what the university of Lincoln is like, the inner workings of Coral bookmakers in Cambridgeshire and my own life. None of which interests me, so I'd feel for anyone else who might listen.

My nephew is at Lincoln.

The student area is lovely, nice place to go, it saw the best and worst of me. Alcohol will do that.

by Duty281 Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:09 pm

Goodbye first-rate education - hello the University of Lincoln!

by Hammersmith harrier Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:10 pm

So George Osborne's job right now as Chancellor is to make money or is actually to stabilize the British economy?

by **Hero** Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:15 pm

The vast number of people on here are not experts on politics, again myself included, but because of the Referendum it's spiked my interest and I've never read as much on politics as I have in the past few months, I don't though seem to recall you saying those that came on this forum and simply they're voting Leave just because they don't like Cameron to hush their gums because they're not experts.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:25 pm

Duty281 wrote:Goodbye first-rate education - hello the University of Lincoln!

Not all our IQs can be in the thousands from the university of life Doots

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:29 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:So George Osborne's job right now as Chancellor is to make money or is actually to stabilize the British economy?

Is the new Man United manager there to just win each match or to build a club identity again from transfers, youth policy, planning for the future, presenting the right media image etc etc?

If he makes a lot of money for the Government then maybe he does stabilise the economy. I wouldn't really like to put jobs and topics into simple sentences, but you're either exaggerating your understanding of football or misjudging the difficulty of football management and professional football in general.

Were any of it as easy as an Internet post suggested then we'd all be England World Cup winning co-managers who had reformed the EU and cut unemployed rates all whilst working out how to settle disputes abroad and save animals whose population was lowering.

by Alex_Germany Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:03 am

Sin é wrote:

Also worth noting - the European Medicines Agency (EU drug regulating body) is going to have to move from Canary Warf to an EU country. It employs 800 people. Sweden, Denmark, Italy and Germany are expressing interest.

http://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-vote-sets-off-race-to-seat-ema/

It seems the rest of the EU is getting ready to pick over the carcass.

Property in Frankfurt and Dublin might be a good investment.

Seriously - the politicians need to agree a EEA (Norway) model immediately.

That will satisfy the markets and the investors, will satisfy those who want us out of the EU, and those who want us in. It will restore a bit of lost sovereignty (what ever that may be), and it will urine off the racist elements of LEAVE.

What's not to like?

Choice comment in the Guardian:

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/jun/27/brexit-family-rifts-parents-referendum-conflict-betrayal wrote:
My mum voted to leave the EU because she doesn’t want non-British citizens here. Despite the fact that my brother and I have been extremely vocal about our reasons for staying in, she’s chosen to vote out because she doesn’t like the local Asian population.

This certainly sinks the idea that democracy by referenda is a good idea.

by Ent Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:17 am

Or that we have any sort of decent education system.

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