Ongoing NFL Discussion Thread V

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

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Love this Texans D. They're amazing without Watt. Scary.

Amazing is a bit far - they're pretty good, nothing special.

Number one D in the NFL without their best player.

They're one of about 8 teams to hold that tag - and lets face it it's measured in yards...in points the #1 D was the Pats.

No great defences out there this year, just a lot of pretty good ones. If they had Watt, maybe they'd be great...but they don't

[skins4ever]

Anyone see that TD catch from Darby. Something special.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Think I love Larry Fitz the most of any NFL player not on the Pats

What an unbelievable player

[skins4ever]

Think I love Larry Fitz the most of any NFL player not on the Pats

What an unbelievable player

The Dan Marino of receivers, future HOFer likely doomed to have played in a SB but never won one.

[Number-25]

So the Redskins appear to be improving and are seeing encouraging progress from their younger players but a tendency to commit too many mistakes is going to see them stuck in mediocre middle of the NFL for another season... 8-8 awaits.

[Number-25]

Must admit though, if they do make it to 8-8 then that's better than I thought they would before the season.

[GSC]

Win, everybody else in the division loses, decent week

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Skins defence looks actually half decent for the first time in forever

[skins4ever]

Manusky has made a big difference to the DL, but I wonder if we were out schemed last night. Smith got out of the pocket too many times and extended plays that should have been sacks.

And our running game still looks inconsistent. Given Cousins is getting decent time fro passing, either our run blocking looks worse than it is (though we have played 4 pretty decent run defences so far) or our RB's simply can't find the holes. It's hard to be sure from the last 2 games, but we've lost 2 games because we couldn't control the clock, and could have lost to LA for the same reason. Cousins can have the best season of any QB in ever, and it won't be worth a thing if we are beat because we lose the TOP battle.

Cousins is ranked 10th by rating and 12th by yards. While not up to his 2015 level yet, the problem is not in the passing game, especially if he can improve his rapport with Pryor.

Right now, I think 8-8 is actually pessimistic, but we can only do better than that if we fix what's wrong in the run game.

NB Norman getting a fractured rib certainly won't help us...

[Pr4wn]

Pretty boring game so far tbh.

[Pr4wn]

Too many injuries for the Bucs on D. Even our backups are getting now.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

That was an awful game of football

[GSC]

The Bucs should really look into an upgrade at kicker, I hear the top available name is a kid named Robert Aguayo

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Also this Pats team is the dumbest I've seen in a long time - both playcalling and penalties in situations is abysmal. How do you commit offsides on a 4th and 3 on special teams??? Just let them snap the ball before you go ffs!

[Pr4wn]

Even worse than that was the two (!!) roughing the passer penalties at the end of the first half that gave us a shot at points. So ridiculous. That Cassius Marsh is one of the dumbest players I've seen in a long time.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Even worse than that was the two (!!) roughing the passer penalties at the end of the first half that gave us a shot at points. So ridiculous. That Cassius Marsh is one of the dumbest players I've seen in a long time.

I raged in the office watching that this morning. It was one of those games where it seemed like neither team wanted to win! We moved the ball but everytime we got ourselves in a good situation we committed a penalty or stalled in the red zone, and then everytime you got the ball Jameis missed throws and for some reason you stopped running when we really did nothing to stop you.

This Pats team isn't gonna go too far in January as things stand - OL is too porous, and the D just isn't upto it.

[Guest]

The sexism row is really affecting Cam.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Rivers, Eli and Big Ben all came in together - and have now shown they are all finished together. Ugly season from them, all look done

[GSC]

Throw Carson Palmer in there, hes been horrific.

[GSC]

Its crazy to me that just 2 years ago, Palmer and the Cards beat the living **** out of the Eagles in Philly.

NFL = Not For Long

[crazy_dave23]

So the Giants appear to have lost all of their top 3 WR's to injuries... When we thought Manning couldn't get any more shaky, we get to see him with no pass catchers... Manning will probably just throw to the opposition!

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

gah that Odell injury looked bad

[GSC]

Sounds like Ben won't be returning next year

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Sources

Aaron Rodgers is good at football

[skins4ever]

So the Giants appear to have lost all of their top 3 WR's to injuries... When we thought Manning couldn't get any more shaky, we get to see him with no pass catchers... Manning will probably just throw to the opposition!

Yeah, like he's never done that before!

[GSC]

Statistically speaking, only one NFC East team has won a game in the last 2 weeks.

No, it isnt the Giants

[skins4ever]

Statistically speaking, only one NFC East team has won a game in the last 2 weeks.

No, it isnt the Giants

It's early days yet, but the Eagles do look the best of the East. But aside from the Giants, who are in dire straits, I wouldn't pick a winner. On their day the Skins can go toe to toe, and the Cowboys while struggling on D, still have a potent O. It's still pretty open.

And that seems to be the theme across the league. Aside from the AFC West (Chiefs all but own this), there doesn't seem to be any division that isn't still wide open.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

The Cardinals are gonna be really hard to bea....oh no it’s not 2009 anymore

[crazy_dave23]

Yeah... nice 2009 trio of Palmer, Peterson and Fitz...

[GSC]

My initial reaction when the Saints signed him was "Why".

It hasn't changed with this trade.

[GSC]

Meanwhile in New York, the Jets have no WRs, no OL, underperforming defense, a starting CB just walked off the team and are 0-5.


Wait, thats the Giants.

[skins4ever]

Bet the Giants wish it was 2009...

[GSC]

Decent win

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Kuechly injury changed the game - such a shame to such a great player curtailed by concussions.

League is losing a lot to injuries this year

[GSC]

Getting Cox back for this game was just as big. This is an entirely different D with him in the middle.

Hopefully we'll have Darby ready for Washington next week as well, win that and there's daylight back to the rest of the division

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Wentz seems to be coming along nicely - a lovely over the shoulder throw to Alshon down the boundary was pretty asf

[GSC]

It's amazing. You give a younger QB weapons and protection and he looks a lot better

[skins4ever]

I'd argue give a GOOD young QB weapons etc. There are plenty of young QB's with weapons who have floundered.

Yeah I wouldn't say next week is a must win game for the Skins yet, but if we do lose we're really aiming for a wildcard after that. Kudos to the Eagles, they've built a solid team that has prospects for the next 2-3 years.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

The Pats Defence is words worse than awful/abysmal/shocking.

[crazy_dave23]

Aaron Rodgers... About to see how good he is, by seeing how bad we become...

[Guest]

Gutted for Rodgers. That's like getting ya heart ripped out.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

The NFL has been utterly insane so far

[Number-25]

Hollow win for the Skins... 17-0 up at home against an 0-5 team and we let them hang around long enough to give them a shot at winning at the end. San Fran will be so disappointed that they didn't win.

There's been a lot of promise in a lot of what the Redskins have done this season but only once have they played well for a full 60 mins. We'll put this one down to them being thrown by the arrival mid-game of the rookie QB with no gametape and move on to the Eagles.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Pats defence still sucks, Pats still making boneheaded mistakes and plays

On another note - Tampa Bay are not good

[skins4ever]

Hollow win for the Skins... 17-0 up at home against an 0-5 team and we let them hang around long enough to give them a shot at winning at the end. San Fran will be so disappointed that they didn't win.

There's been a lot of promise in a lot of what the Redskins have done this season but only once have they played well for a full 60 mins. We'll put this one down to them being thrown by the arrival mid-game of the rookie QB with no gametape and move on to the Eagles.

I tend to agree, but a point or two on this game. 1) We are without Norman, and arguably he'd have likely shutdown 1 of their guys (Garcon?) and 2) Beatherd was a virtual unknown. They spent all week preparing for Hoyer and made him look pretty awful. Beatherd comes in and for a start he's very mobile in the pocket for starters.

While they would have made some adjustments on the fly, a team can only prepare for what they expect to see and can't really prepare for what they don't. I speak from experience when I say having a new QB thrown at you can mess up pretty much any game plan, especially when he extends the play multiple times.

[TM Moot]

Wonder if Romo fancies leaving the CBS booth for the Frozen Tundra?

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Shocking news about Kevin Cadle - RIP

[gazzyD]

Very sad indeed. Was always a great personality when he fronted the Sky coverage

[Guest]

Yeah, that's a shocker about KC. I grew up when he was coaching the London Towers. R.I.P Big man.

[Number-25]

Really sad news about Kevin Cadle... was stunned to learn today that he was 62... thought he was much younger! I always liked his laid back presentation of the NFL show. Poor guy... RIP.

[skins4ever]

Agreed, whether you liked his style or not, sad to see someone go when they should have years left.

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