Ongoing NFL Discussion Thread V

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun 08 Jan 2017, 8:50 pm

First topic message reminder :

Pr4wn wrote:
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Love this Texans D. They're amazing without Watt. Scary.

Amazing is a bit far - they're pretty good, nothing special.

Number one D in the NFL without their best player.

They're one of about 8 teams to hold that tag - and lets face it it's measured in yards...in points the #1 D was the Pats.

No great defences out there this year, just a lot of pretty good ones. If they had Watt, maybe they'd be great...but they don't

by **Pr4wn** Tue 25 Apr 2017, 6:08 pm

Adrian Peterson to the Saints for $7m over two years.

Not sure of whether that makes sense for either party. The Saints are nowhere near being a contender for the Superbowl.

by Number-25 Tue 25 Apr 2017, 9:48 pm

Fair play on the mock draft Olly... brave man that puts one of these out there.

FWIW, I think if McAffrey is still there when the Redskins are picking then they take him rather than Cook. Word is that the Redskins are split on Cook due to the arrests primarily but also the propensity to fumble.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed 26 Apr 2017, 9:38 pm

For those who wish to have a little flutter on proceedings...Paddy Power are offering some ridiculous prices on this draft...

Haason Reddick to be first linebacker drafted - 11/10
Total number of QBs drafted in the first round - over 3.5 - 7/4
1st offensive lineman drafted - Cam Robinson - 5/2
1st defensive back (inc safety) to be drafted - Marshon Lattimore - 8/5
1st WR drafted - Corey Davis - 2/1
1st RB drafted - Christian McCaffrey - 7/2

On all of them - fancy making my money back and more!

by Guest Wed 26 Apr 2017, 10:45 pm

Im very happy with the news out of oakland today

A 5th round 2018 pick in exchange for Lynch and a 6th round 2018 pick

Its a risk worth taking even if it does scream PR stunt to keep the oakland fans happy before the move to vegas

by GSC Thu 27 Apr 2017, 9:27 am

Speculation mounting that Mitch Trubisky will be the first name called

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu 27 Apr 2017, 10:35 am

GSC wrote:Speculation mounting that Mitch Trubisky will be the first name called

Browns gotta Brown - imagine if they actually pass on Garrett for slow pitch Mitch

Tickets secured to see them in October tho - buzzing for that

by GSC Thu 27 Apr 2017, 10:50 am

I'm going to cry with laughter if they pass on Went to take a worse player first overall a year later, in Philly.

by **Pr4wn** Thu 27 Apr 2017, 1:30 pm

So who is staying up to watch the draft tonight? It's at a cool 8pm for me. A relaxed evening with a few beers and some of the best drama on TV.

by GSC Thu 27 Apr 2017, 1:35 pm

I'm planning to since I'm off work tomorrow but I may conk out before it starts

by mikeygnfl Thu 27 Apr 2017, 2:50 pm

gazzyD wrote:Im very happy with the news out of oakland today

A 5th round 2018 pick in exchange for Lynch and a 6th round 2018 pick

Its a risk worth taking even if it does scream PR stunt to keep the oakland fans happy before the move to vegas

There was a rumour that Lynch could be traded to the Packers.

Can't see the Browns taking anyone other than Myles Garrett at No 1. Maybe they are hoping someone will want to trade up for Mitch Trubisky? Possibly the Jets?

by **Pr4wn** Thu 27 Apr 2017, 3:05 pm

I can't see anyone trading up to number one, though I can see the Browns trading back up to get their man.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu 27 Apr 2017, 5:45 pm

I'm up for it - got a half day tomorrow

by crazy_dave23 Thu 27 Apr 2017, 7:40 pm

I've got a flight in the morning, so short of pulling an impromptu all nighter I am missing it all Sad

by **Pr4wn** Fri 28 Apr 2017, 1:24 am

Bears pay a ransom to take Mitch at number two. 13 career starts...

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Fri 28 Apr 2017, 1:27 am

Chicago with the worst trade ever

by **Pr4wn** Fri 28 Apr 2017, 1:51 am

It's nothing compared to the Rams last year.

by GSC Fri 28 Apr 2017, 2:56 am

That's my guy, so happy

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Fri 28 Apr 2017, 4:05 am

Right so the Browns passed on hooker to pick peppers at 25

He literally doesn't have a position. Browns gotta Brown

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Fri 28 Apr 2017, 8:31 am

I think the jets, bills and dolphins all had very good nights - especially buffalo.

49ers obviously dominated it - the only question with foster is that medical, he's going to be a great linebacker.

Bears got fleeced - but if Mitch turns out to be good it'll be fine (I don't think he will be)

I'm happy for browns fans that they didn't reach for a QB - but I'm also very meh on Peppers/Njoku when you had a chance at 12 to get someone like Malik Hooker (who is in a different stratosphere to peppers)

Also loved the Bucs pick of Howard and Washington getting Allen at 17. I think Cincinnati massively reached for Ross - let's put a fragile WR into the cold AFC North.......not good.

Indy and Arizona also got a lot better

by Number-25 Fri 28 Apr 2017, 9:15 am

I'm really pleased with the Redskins' night.... our defense just isn't very good and has needs all over the place but especially so along the front 7. I didn't think we would have a shot at a guy like Allen who seemed like a sure fire top 10 pick. The panic run on QBs and one or two other curious picks ahead of us helped him slide down to us. Finally we have someone to build a D-Line around!

Good night for the 49ers... they'll be pleased with getting Thomas and Foster and the picks from Chicago.

Am looking forward to tonight too... seems like still a lot of potentially very talented players to be had. I'd like to see the Redskins continue to rebuild that front 7 if possible.

by **Pr4wn** Fri 28 Apr 2017, 1:34 pm

I just don't know how to feel about the Howard pick. Who was the last first round TE to turn out great?

by Guest Fri 28 Apr 2017, 2:10 pm

We needed a corner, we got one, granted lots of risk surrounding the Conley pick but you would hope they know something

Need to get some help up front for Irvin and Mack otherwise picking a good corner will count for nothing if the QB has all the time in the world to pick his passes

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Fri 28 Apr 2017, 2:50 pm

Pr4wn wrote:I just don't know how to feel about the Howard pick. Who was the last first round TE to turn out great?

It's an improvement on trading up for a kicker at least

Oakland better be right on their due diligence.

by Guest Fri 28 Apr 2017, 3:31 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:I just don't know how to feel about the Howard pick. Who was the last first round TE to turn out great?

It's an improvement on trading up for a kicker at least

Oakland better be right on their due diligence.

Apparently the team that done all the digging in to Conley's background and cleared him as good to go weren't even the Raiders

by skins4ever Sat 29 Apr 2017, 12:35 am

Not the worst draft trade ever, but probably second to the Herschel Walker trade.

Top 3 1st rounder's are probably 49ers, Browns and Buccs in that order.

Steal of the round definitely Allen to the Skins. If Hooker had also dropped that far it would have been a coin toss, but glad they addressed a critical need on DL.

Was going to stay up for round 2 but have to be up early. Just got to wonder if the Packers really got value with King 1st in Round 2? He was slated to go up to 20 places lower.

by GSC Sat 29 Apr 2017, 2:35 am

Sidney Jones is fantastic but he aint doing jack in 2017

by GSC Sat 29 Apr 2017, 2:48 am

Meanwhile in NO, the Saints trade their 2nd next year for a third down back

by GSC Sat 29 Apr 2017, 10:18 am

The Eagles and Cowboys both going DE, CB, CB so far

by skins4ever Sat 29 Apr 2017, 10:33 am

Looks like NFC East is all D from the Cowboys, Skins and Eagles (well except a WR) and the Giants are going all O. Without fixing their OL I think Manning could be on his arse a hell of a lot next year! Smile

Funny looking at it, I don't think anyone has had a stinker of a draft so far. A few question marks but nobody is saying what the hell are they doing. Bears might be the biggest losers if Trubisky doesn't work out though.

Wondering if this is the most talent rich draft in years?

by GSC Sat 29 Apr 2017, 10:36 am

To be honest every time I see draft grades Im reminded of Kiper panning the Seattle draft that may well be the best ever.

by Lowlandbrit Sun 30 Apr 2017, 8:16 pm

Bills have basically fired everyone that had any input over their draft.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun 30 Apr 2017, 8:32 pm

GSC wrote:To be honest every time I see draft grades Im reminded of Kiper panning the Seattle draft that may well be the best ever.

Mel Kiper seriously challenges Ray Lewis as the biggest douche on NFL TV

Getting rid of Whaley is the right decision, and ultimately he had no influence over this draft (as shown by them picking Peterman up late on to backup over Whaley's pet project Cardale Jones)

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 01 May 2017, 4:23 pm

The Jags just picked up Blake Bortles's fifth year, 18 million dollar option. LMAO

And people wonder why this team only wins 3/4 games a year.

by **Pr4wn** Mon 01 May 2017, 4:26 pm

Can't help but think this kid might have turned out much better without a porous o-line and some good coaching.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 01 May 2017, 4:35 pm

Pr4wn wrote:Can't help but think this kid might have turned out much better without a porous o-line and some good coaching.

Whilst he hasn't had the best supporting cast, he has literally said he barely worked on his mechanics last off season and that's why he basically couldn't throw the ball this year. You gotta put in some sort of work

by **Pr4wn** Mon 01 May 2017, 4:49 pm

Can see that the kid is also hesitant on throws because he's scared of getting smashed in the face, too. Much like David Carr was back in the day.

by GSC Mon 01 May 2017, 5:36 pm

Guess how much of that 18m is guaranteed for skill

by Lowlandbrit Fri 05 May 2017, 7:05 pm

Lowlandbrit wrote:Apparently Tony Romo is retiring to replace Phil Simms at CBS.

And now Jay Cutler is joining FOX.

by Guest Thu 22 Jun 2017, 3:43 pm

Derek Carr just got paid!!!

I'm guessing there'll be a few raised eyebrows at the price, but imagine it'll all be forgotten about when Stafford signs a bigger deal with the Lions in a week or two

by **Pr4wn** Thu 22 Jun 2017, 3:59 pm

Carr is a fantastic young talent, what a steal for the Raiders he was.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 26 Jun 2017, 10:27 am

He's great, but this whole narrative about if he didn't get injured the Raiders would've had a real shot at the Super Bowl is just a nonsense

by **Pr4wn** Mon 26 Jun 2017, 2:47 pm

Well, you would say that being a Pats fan, given they're in the AFC.

They have one of the best offensive lines in football, and their offense as a whole can keep up with any other team on its day.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 26 Jun 2017, 4:56 pm

Pr4wn wrote:Well, you would say that being a Pats fan, given they're in the AFC.

They have one of the best offensive lines in football, and their offense as a whole can keep up with any other team on its day.

I mean they have a nice offence, but they were 7th in points per game, and 20th in points per game on defence. Pats were 3rd and 1st respectively. It'd have been a no contest in Foxboro - just like the AFC title game against a team with a similar make up in Pittsburgh

by Guest Tue 11 Jul 2017, 2:05 pm

As a Raiders fan, there is no way we were a threat to the Pats last season with or without Carr. I think we'd have got by Houston, but then that's probably it. On Offense we were fantastic, defensively atrocious though. Khalil Mack was unplayable most of the year (11 sacks), Irvin chipped in too (7 sacks). between them they got 18 of our 25 sacks. As a result of nobody else really contributing on pass rush (next best was two players tied in third with 2.5 sacks) QBs were able to torch our secondary at will. I can't recall the amount of 20+yd plays we gave up last year but it was one of the worst in the NFL. Karl Joseph had a decent rookie year in the secondary and Amerson improved slightly, but Sean Smith and DJ Hayden got burnt time and time again. Brady or Rothlisberger would have picked both apart without breaking a sweat

Heres hoping for a better year on defense this year, I wasn't sold that Ken Norton Jr got to keep his job but c'est la vie, nothing we as fans can do about it. Mario Edwards coming back in to the fold should hopefully help on the pass rush, shame Aldon Smith has p!ssed his chance away as there's a lot of talent there on the field. Gareon Conley should be an upgrade on Smith and Hayden to come in alongside Amerson (just need this stupid sexual assault case to go away)

by Lowlandbrit Mon 17 Jul 2017, 7:06 pm

Panthers have fired Gettleman. Surely must be something behind the scenes to do it July?

by **Pr4wn** Mon 17 Jul 2017, 8:19 pm

Yup, I think everyone in the organisation believe's he's an a-hole.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 17 Jul 2017, 11:02 pm

Pr4wn wrote:Yup, I think everyone in the organisation believe's he's an a-hole.

An a-hole who's brought them 3 division titles and a SB trip. Ridiculous decision, one of the best GMs in the game - he's not afraid to make a big decision and that is what runs people the wrong way, but that's what you gotta do to win in the NFL

by GSC Mon 17 Jul 2017, 11:08 pm

Can't act like Belichick without the hardware.

Also make the point he inherited the core of those winning teams. His own picks look fairly lacklustre and his FA picks aren't any more inspiring

by **Pr4wn** Tue 18 Jul 2017, 1:39 pm

Gotta agree with GSC. It seems him and Jerry Richardson wanted different things. Richardson is the owner and Gettleman didn't do as he was told.

Like GSC said, the Panthers have still never won anything and it seems as though he had become a seriously disruptive force.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue 18 Jul 2017, 2:20 pm

Because owners are clearly more qualified than GMs to run football teams...

They won three division titles under Gettleman!!

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