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Post by Jermaine2015 on Sun 07 May 2017, 5:44 am

Finally been confirmed on HBO ppv

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Post by hazharrison on Sun 07 May 2017, 7:00 am

Great news. A real banner year for boxing, 2017.

This, along with AJ's emergence could help bring the sport back into the mainstream in a way it hasn't been since Tyson was cracking heads.

Alvarez via decision looks a nice bet based on recent performances, though, have a feeling Golovkin might put in a special performance.

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Post by melv500 on Sun 07 May 2017, 7:52 am

If one more person finds an angle to be bring AJ into a discussion my head will explode Wink

Finally and I'm convinced this could be a war. GGG must start as favourite but Canelo is solid. If he can take his shots we will be in for a thriller. I'm going GGG close on points or maybe late stoppage. Both have decent boxing skills and power could be the difference. Can't wait!!!

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Post by spencerclarke on Sun 07 May 2017, 7:56 am

Super excited for this. No need for any mouthing off in the build up just proper expectation. This sells itself.

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Post by AdamT on Sun 07 May 2017, 8:21 am

Good timing for Alveraz. He will be hurt and it will be close. But I predict a new king at 160. Great news!

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Post by hazharrison on Sun 07 May 2017, 8:26 am

Like him or loathe him, AJ has given the sport a massive injection (no pun intended).

This will be a fun fight - a reward for the fans. Could do 100, 000 tickets and unlikely to disappoint.

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Post by melv500 on Sun 07 May 2017, 9:51 am

Haha all true!!

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Post by milkyboy on Sun 07 May 2017, 10:07 am

Great this is finally happening. Alvarez d*cked around, long enough so no-ones going to pat him on the back too hard, but some credit due.

Having looked strong above middle yesterday (weigh in, he's obviously always above middle fight night) and ggg looking beatable against Jacobs, it sets this up nicely. Some will say it's the only reason the fight is happening.

I always leant to ggg in this but unlike most I always thought his style would suit canelo. Jacobs is a totally different fighter to Alvarez so who knows how much canelo's style will also suit golovkin.

Think this boils down to canelo's capacity to absorb punishment, he looks solid but it's something we've never really seen tested. I expect a very competitive fight, looking forward to it.

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Post by AdamT on Sun 07 May 2017, 10:52 am

I agree with your assessment.

Canelo isn't the quickest, bout he is a very solid boxer/puncher and he's getting better with age.

Good timing for him. I wouldn't of picked him a year or two go.

GGG will probably need a stoppage, or at least dominate the rounds. I have always stated GGG as overrated and this fight will show that.

Remember if he loses, it's f all to do with age. Plenty of fighters still great at his age these days. I don't think GGG has slipped, he just has stepped up in class. He Is about to step up again. He will lose.

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Post by hazharrison on Sun 07 May 2017, 11:04 am

Get your money on AT - Canelo at 6-to-4 underdog must look like a licence to print money in your book.

Let's hope one of them wins decisively. Boxing is getting the fights right, let's hope we don't have another 12 round decision that has everyone venting spleen for six months afterwards.

It would be great if one of them got a KO - we need more of them in these big fights!

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Post by AdamT on Sun 07 May 2017, 11:11 am

Haz I never sit on the fence (other than Aj Wlad). I am backing Canelo and I will put a tidy sum.

If it's a ko, only one winner. GGG is as tough as nails, though Canelo isn't a softy.

If Canelo wants to win, he needs to be busy and effective with counter punching. I think he needs an early lead. If he tries chasing GGG, he will get knocked out. I have picked my winner, but many will back GGG. It's a great fight and a great year for boxing.

I had previously thought boxing was sliding, but this year Is going to be huge. Sport doesn't need Floyd or Manny. It's a new generation and plenty of good guys coming through.

Would it be too much to ask, to have Lomachenko v Mikey as well??

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Sun 07 May 2017, 12:01 pm

Pathetic display from chavez I knew he was vastly inferior skill Wize but he didn't even try in that fight

Ggg will end canelo in September

Props for taking it though

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Post by Dylan1979 on Sun 07 May 2017, 12:14 pm

Golovkin will put some serious hurt on Canelo.

Got a feeling we'll see the best Golovkin we've ever seen.

I could be wrong though, after all, Canelo was born ready.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sun 07 May 2017, 12:37 pm

Chavez Jr hasn't got his father's toughness don't think he will have won any new fans with that display we'd always said he'd done nothing to deserve this fight good to see the big one signed

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Post by Dylan1979 on Sun 07 May 2017, 12:47 pm

The Chavez fight was rigged as f*ck!!

I'll give anyone 9-4 on a Canelo win against GGG.

Canelo will pull out or get badly beaten - Guaranteed!!

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 07 May 2017, 1:20 pm

Finally.

Golovkin will start as a warm favourite but I think Alvarez will pose him some serious questions along the way, the power might not be a huge factor on recent showings.

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Post by Baby faced assassin on Sun 07 May 2017, 1:45 pm

Think that hindsight it's a much that they held it off as about 80% of people thought GGG would wipe the floor with Canelo, now he's only a slight favourite

Stylistically I think both are perfect for each other

GGG likes to come forward and is open to counters which is perfect for Canelo

And Canelo often blocks shots and doesn't use much footwork in his defence which is perfect for GGG

Think the Jab is key in this fight, both have short powerful jabs and it may come down to whoevers is the more effective

Don't think it'll be a proper war like morales barrera etc but it'll be interesting and it may get rough in the last few rounds

Personally I think GGG will break Canelo down, think he'll be throwing the Jab like he  did against Lemieux and should be able to take canelo power

Great fight and kudos for Canelo for taking the fight I never thought he would
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Post by AdamT on Sun 07 May 2017, 2:21 pm

Plenty of Americans think Canelo wins. Suppose he's the darling of Latinos.

I'm sticking with Canelo for the upset. No way he gets smashed easily. Canelo has been in huge fights before.

Canelo wins the first 4 rounds. GGG doesn't want to rush in and eat hard counters.

Sanchez sends GGG out to go for the stoppage and he starts to gain ground. His best chance is getting Canelo out of there.

A wounded, possibly dropped Canelo loses middle rounds. However he shows grit and gets his second wind, to win the championship rounds and earn a tough, but deserved decision.

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Sun 07 May 2017, 2:26 pm

Canelos power is vastly over rated

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Post by AdamT on Sun 07 May 2017, 2:31 pm

Canelo has power. Every guy that has been in with him confirmed it. GGG has heavier hands, but if Brook can hurt him (Sanchez and GGG confirmed this), Canelo could knock his block off, if he rushes in.

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Post by Dylan1979 on Sun 07 May 2017, 3:27 pm

BoxingFan88 wrote:Canelos power is vastly over rated

Exactly!

Couldn't get an old Cotto out of there, Liam Smith went 9 rounds with him too.
Chavez was drained, had one fight in about two years and he still went the distance with Nelo.
I wonder if team Nelo will agree to Vada testing for this fight. If so, will he do the same as Jacobs and
check in as late as possible with a view to coming into the fight as big as ever.

Either way, his skills are SERIOUSLY overrated. Body language is a dead giveaway,
imo he knows he's f**ked come September 16th.

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Post by Guest on Sun 07 May 2017, 3:58 pm

It seems to me that Canelo's team have had a plan - in waiting their moment and improving Canelo's skill set in order to take on and beat GGG.  I think Canelo is going to win on points.

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Post by AdamT on Sun 07 May 2017, 4:10 pm

Exactly my thinking. The chap has improved more past couple of years. I think he will do it.

You mention Canelo and drug testing Dylan? Take it GGG is clean?

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 07 May 2017, 4:24 pm

I don't think boxing is the sport for you Dylan, if you complain about this fight then nothing will please you.

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Post by Dylan1979 on Sun 07 May 2017, 5:28 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I don't think boxing is the sport for you Dylan, if you complain about this fight then nothing will please you.

So asking for a level playing field is 'complaining'?

I'm just sick of this punk Canelo stacking the deck in his favour - catchweight's galore, juiced to the gills.
But I guess in your world that's all okay right - anything to see Golovkin get beat.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 07 May 2017, 5:39 pm

Any evidence he's juiced?

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Post by Dylan1979 on Sun 07 May 2017, 5:41 pm

AdamT wrote:Exactly my thinking. The chap has improved more past couple of years. I think he will do it.

You mention Canelo and drug testing Dylan? Take it GGG is clean?

He doesn't balloon up in weight like Canelo does, plus he's in 365 testing all year round.
Tested 5 times against DJ - was DJ even tested?

Canelo's muscle mass is suspicious as hell.

Before anyone mentions it - the CBP does not mean you're being tested.

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Post by Dylan1979 on Sun 07 May 2017, 5:45 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Any evidence he's juiced?

No blood, only urine. Why would he only want to use urine? Plus he refused Vada against Smith.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRahHp0Ftgk&t=6s


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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 07 May 2017, 5:47 pm

Any actual evidence, not the ramblings of a random Internet loon?

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Post by AdamT on Sun 07 May 2017, 6:13 pm

So is muscle mass the only indicator?

Why is Fury up for testing positive then? Take it Wlad switched bottles then?

Not saying Canelo is definitely clean. Only he knows for sure. But we have to give the benefit of the doubt. There are guys I definitely have suspicion use. But without proof, it is only suspicion. So Canelo is clean until proven otherwise.

If Canelo's muscle indicates he uses, what about Golovkin's power?

Canelo is naturally a big guy. He has a broad face and big boned. He's like Rooney, who has a similar structure naturally.

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Post by Guest on Sun 07 May 2017, 6:25 pm

Hi Dylan - you are saying that Canelo is drugged enhanced yet you are also saying Canelo lacks power and skills and is going to be found out by GGG who is going to put him through a world of pain. So why worry whether Canelo is on drugs if he is heading for a painful defeat due to a lack of power and skill? Or is that in the back of your mind you think that Canelo may in fact win?

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Post by Dylan1979 on Sun 07 May 2017, 6:53 pm

Not wanting to give blood and only urine isn't suspicious?

Golovkin's power has always been there, right from day one, not as if it suddenly appeared outta nowhere. Canelo just doesn't look natural at all.

His power is overrated so too are his skills. Why the f**k should some diva boxers be allowed advantages as a way of improving their chances in a fight?

Weight bullies - nothing wrong with that right? There are rules in sport for a reason, but I guess we should just f**k the rules, especially if it's to the advantage of the guy we want to win. No room for integrity and principles on this forum, especially if we get to see the 'hype job' Golovkin finally beaten.

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Post by Dylan1979 on Sun 07 May 2017, 6:57 pm

No name Bertie wrote:Hi Dylan - you are saying that Canelo is drugged enhanced yet you are also saying Canelo lacks power and skills and is going to be found out by GGG who is going to put him through a world of pain.  So why worry whether Canelo is on drugs if he is heading for a painful defeat due to a lack of power and skill?  Or is that in the back of your mind you think that Canelo may in fact win?

Go and find a bowling green son!

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 07 May 2017, 6:58 pm

There's no substance to anything you say Dylan, just conjecture.

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Post by Guest on Sun 07 May 2017, 7:41 pm

Dylan1979 wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:Hi Dylan - you are saying that Canelo is drugged enhanced yet you are also saying Canelo lacks power and skills and is going to be found out by GGG who is going to put him through a world of pain.  So why worry whether Canelo is on drugs if he is heading for a painful defeat due to a lack of power and skill?  Or is that in the back of your mind you think that Canelo may in fact win?

Go and find a bowling green son!
You appear to be holding contradictory sentiments. When I bring it to your attention rather than engage with it you suggest I go bowling. Well, it is a pleasant evening for it - I grant you that.

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Post by Dylan1979 on Sun 07 May 2017, 9:53 pm

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2017/05/canelo-vs-golovkin-wbc/

Doesn't want to fight Golovkin for the WBC belt all of a sudden....hmm, I wonder why? Vada testing maybe?

Nevermind, let's give him the benefit of the doubt. A true warrior like this Mexican legend deserves it. He sure doesn't f*ck around!!

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 07 May 2017, 9:59 pm

I'm still waiting for some actual evidence?

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Post by Dylan1979 on Sun 07 May 2017, 10:16 pm

Alvarez contrives a dispute with the WBC to evade mandatory VADA testing. Hate on Golovkin all you want Hammy, but anyone with half a brain knows exactly what game that lil bitch is playing.

Fingers crossed Golovkin loses though - we gotta keep 'Special' Bernard's record in tact.

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Post by AdamT on Sun 07 May 2017, 10:19 pm

Lol why is Canelo juicing, but part Russian GGG is clean?

GGG could be clean, so could Canelo.

I have my opinion on sports and drugs, but evidence is key.

Dylan unless an athlete fails the test and it's made public, it's pure conjecture.

Anthony Joshua has arms bigger than many bodybuilders, plus he has gained near 30 lbs (two stone) of solid muscle in a couple of years.

Is he genetically gifted? On Ped's? Maybe both?

Point is, we can all point fingers. I would know because I have done my share. I know you're trolling, but It passes my time, while wife watches sh1te tv.

Canelo is clean, until otherwise proven.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 07 May 2017, 10:26 pm

Dylan1979 wrote:Alvarez contrives a dispute with the WBC to evade mandatory VADA testing. Hate on Golovkin all you want Hammy, but anyone with half a brain knows exactly what game that lil bitch is playing.

Fingers crossed Golovkin loses though - we gotta keep 'Special' Bernard's record in tact.

How is it hating on Golovkin by wanting you to provide actual evidence instead of yet more libellous comments.

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Post by AdamT on Sun 07 May 2017, 10:43 pm

If Hammer or myself hate on GGG, going by your point of view. Does that mean that you're a Canelo (little punk) hater?


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Post by Dylan1979 on Sun 07 May 2017, 11:05 pm

Do I hate boxing frauds? - Yes, they degrade the sport.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Mon 08 May 2017, 8:26 am

I can understand criticising Alvarez for his catchweight fights but he invariably fights who people want him to; Trout, Mayweather, Lara, Angulo, Kirkland, Cotto, Chavez and now GGG is not the record of a fraud.

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Mon 08 May 2017, 8:37 am

AdamT wrote:Lol why is Canelo juicing, but part Russian GGG is clean?

GGG could be clean, so could Canelo.

I have my opinion on sports and drugs, but evidence is key.

Dylan unless an athlete fails the test and it's made public, it's pure conjecture.

Anthony Joshua has arms bigger than many bodybuilders, plus he has gained near 30 lbs (two stone) of solid muscle in a couple of years.

Is he genetically gifted? On Ped's? Maybe both?

Point is, we can all point fingers. I would know because I have done my share. I know you're trolling, but It passes my time, while wife watches sh1te tv.

Canelo is clean, until otherwise proven.

That's a pretty pathetic comment Adam

Don't get brainwashed by the media

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Mon 08 May 2017, 8:40 am

His family is Russian.

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Post by Derbymanc on Mon 08 May 2017, 9:33 am

It's only as pathetic as Dylan once again throwing his toys out of the pram and claiming to all and sundry that Canelo is definitely 100 hundred percent on drugs just in case his boy toy GGG loses (which since Jacobs looks a real possibility).

How he can have little power (in dyls opinion) yet be this roided up monster is also beyond me.

Should be a cracking fight and am hoping Canelo takes it, he deserves a hell of a lot of stick for the catchweight nonsense but this GGG's just a perfectly nice person who never does anything wrong attitude is more annoying and Just like Manny, it's funny watching the meltdowns afterwards.

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Post by mobilemaster8 on Mon 08 May 2017, 11:46 am

Really really really looking forward to this. A lot of people will be going off recent performances, but we should all know from watching the other week that we should never really do that in this sport at times.

Should be an absolute tear up. Canelo is a very sturdy fighter, respectable power, faced the better opposition all be it at Caneloweight....but GGG with is amateur pedigree, formiddable power and experience in general will make for a classic fight....not to mention his style.

Pick em fight
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Post by BoxingFan88 on Mon 08 May 2017, 12:08 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:His family is Russian.

What does that have to do with anything???

If you can read between the lines, you know what Adam is implying

Basically singling out a country and calling them cheats

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Mon 08 May 2017, 12:09 pm

Derbymanc wrote:It's only as pathetic as Dylan once again throwing his toys out of the pram and claiming to all and sundry that Canelo is definitely 100 hundred percent on drugs just in case his boy toy GGG loses (which since Jacobs looks a real possibility).

How he can have little power (in dyls opinion) yet be this roided up monster is also beyond me.

Should be a cracking fight and am hoping Canelo takes it, he deserves a hell of a lot of stick for the catchweight nonsense but this GGG's just a perfectly nice person who never does anything wrong attitude is more annoying and Just like Manny, it's funny watching the meltdowns afterwards.

Not even on the same scale

Its funny how its all ok to insult an entire country when it suits people

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Mon 08 May 2017, 12:17 pm

BoxingFan88 wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:His family is Russian.

What does that have to do with anything???

If you can read between the lines, you know what Adam is implying

Basically singling out a country and calling them cheats

Remind me what country has been the centre of the biggest doping scandal since Balco?

There's no evidence of either being guilty of doping but I don't see you jumping to Alvarez's defence?

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