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Post by 3fingers on Sat 30 Dec 2017, 12:56 am

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Fights I want to see in '18.

Alexanda vs ortis and Whyte vs Brown.

What do you want?

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sun 14 Jul 2019, 1:11 pm

They should let him loose now Daniel, the top guys need to watch out I’m not sure who’s going to beat him looking around

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Post by No name Bertie on Sun 21 Jul 2019, 1:56 am

The way Dillian Whyte beat Rivas with that double jab is how Dillian Whyte is best suited in beating Andy Ruiz Jr. Whyte should be trying to get a fight against Ruiz if Ruiz knocks out Joshua in November or December, or if Joshua declines the immediate rematch. That was probably Whytes best performance in a fight to date. I think Whyte would likely get knocked out by Deontay Wilder and would probably get outpointed by Tyson Fury - but I think boxing like he did against Rivas - he would likely beat Ruiz on points.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 21 Jul 2019, 10:02 am

Manny Pacquiao beat Keith Thurman by SD to unify the WBA titles. Pacquiao was far too good for the American slugger.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 21 Jul 2019, 10:05 am

No name Bertie wrote:The way Dillian Whyte beat Rivas with that double jab is how Dillian Whyte is best suited in beating Andy Ruiz Jr.   Whyte should be trying to get a fight against Ruiz if Ruiz knocks out Joshua in November or December, or if Joshua declines the immediate rematch.   That was probably Whytes best performance in a fight to date.  I think Whyte would likely get knocked out by Deontay Wilder and would probably get outpointed by Tyson Fury - but I think boxing like he did against Rivas - he would likely beat Ruiz on points.
Rivas was a fairly average fighter and isn’t anyway near the class or skill of Ruiz Jr. Rivas hand speed was so slow it suited Whyte.

Whyte nearly got KO’d by Rivas whom seemed clueless as to what to do most of the time.

Whyte isn’t good enough to beat Fury, Wilder or Ruiz Jr. His only realistic hopes are on facing Joshua again

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Post by No name Bertie on Sun 21 Jul 2019, 11:33 am

Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:The way Dillian Whyte beat Rivas with that double jab is how Dillian Whyte is best suited in beating Andy Ruiz Jr ...  That was probably Whytes best performance in a fight to date.  I think Whyte would likely get knocked out by Deontay Wilder and would probably get outpointed by Tyson Fury - but I think boxing like he did against Rivas - he would likely beat Ruiz on points.
Rivas was a fairly average fighter and isn’t anyway near the class or skill of Ruiz Jr. Rivas hand speed was so slow it suited Whyte.

Whyte nearly got KO’d by Rivas whom seemed clueless as to what to do most of the time.

Whyte isn’t good enough to beat Fury, Wilder or Ruiz Jr. His only realistic hopes are on facing Joshua again
Bit in bold - I think that is debatable but I can't push my point - because Dillian Whyte is vulnerable and Ruiz Jr is fast.  But Whyte beat Parker and Parker beat Ruiz Jr (yes I know there are arguments against that simplistic statement - you don't need to mention them here).   I could add Whyte beat Rivas and Rivas beat Ruiz Jr (in the amateurs), but maybe that is too much of a stretch.

A better way of looking at it is that the way to beat Ruiz Jr is to use ones reach advantage with a strong jab and take it on points.   Whyte did this against Rivas - "if" he was able to do that against Ruiz Jr without getting knocked out first - than that is how he could win.  But maybe Whyte is not the person to be able to do it because of the chance of him getting knocked out at some stage by Ruiz.

With regard Pacquiao vs Thurman I thought before the fight Thurman would win - but after the fight I thought Pacquiao had won fairly decisively with the first round knockdown and the tenth round body punch being the key moments swinging the fight decisively in Pacquiao's favour - so I was surprised by the split decision.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sun 21 Jul 2019, 12:13 pm

Broner got  Keith  a lot on his mind lately that fights there if he wants it what’s the problem at least Keith didn’t run like a sissy the fight was close though I missed the last four rounds Spence is the fight for Manny now surely but Errol and Porter is a great fight too

https://youtu.be/aiyosfDUR-Y

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Post by Mr Bounce on Sun 21 Jul 2019, 8:47 pm

I thought that Thurman showed total class with his post-fight comments. A bit surprised that he lost, but I don't think he' been the same since his injury lay-off. Props to Manny though.

|Spence has just announced a unification fight with Porter so that avenue is closed for now.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Mon 22 Jul 2019, 8:49 am

Broner been calling Thurman a b1tch lately only one fighter acting like a b1tch either put up or shut up or better still just retire no one wants to see his lame ass fights

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Post by Mr Bounce on Mon 22 Jul 2019, 11:02 pm

Herman Jaeger wrote:Broner been calling Thurman a b1tch lately only one fighter acting like a b1tch either put up or shut up or better still just retire no one wants to see his lame ass fights

The same Broner who got his behind handed to him by Maidana, Mikey and Manny? (Porter too, of course)?? Give it up man - you ain't relevant!

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Tue 23 Jul 2019, 12:44 am

AB talking loud but he ain’t saying nothing

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Tue 23 Jul 2019, 11:49 pm

Tragic, barely gets a mention

https://www.boxingscene.com/maxim-dadashev-28-dies-from-brain-damage-suffered-tko-loss--141144

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Wed 24 Jul 2019, 5:50 am

Actually Manny shouldn’t fight Spence till Spence has faced Crawford

Neither Spence or Crawford deserve a shot at Manny till they boxed each other

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sun 28 Jul 2019, 10:56 pm

A$$hole flapping at the thought of fighting Keith at 47 but then wea lready knew that

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 28 Jul 2019, 10:58 pm

Jose Ramirez KO’d Maurice Hooker to unify the WBC/WBO light welterweight titles. Ramirez is awaiting for the winner of Prograis/Taylor

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Mon 29 Jul 2019, 8:44 am

https://youtu.be/SdB6MFymLiE

https://youtu.be/Reqo126tfZ0

Sadly Bob won’t let Ramirez anywhere near Prograis putting his interests ahead of boxing yet again. What a great fight Prograis/Taylor is though, at least we know that one’s happening two warriors going at it no ducking and diving

https://youtu.be/I_I1iF6UQDk

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Mon 29 Jul 2019, 7:13 pm

You know, last week it was the sport thrives on betting fights now he’s going to deprive the winner of the super six from becoming unified..

Couldn’t give a toss

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Mon 29 Jul 2019, 7:18 pm

I mean nothing the fans love more than an undisputed number one in his division

And nothing more prestigious for the fighter

But no, Bob needs opponents for Crawford and he can keep it in-house so fck the fans

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Mon 29 Jul 2019, 9:31 pm

As expected no Warrington/Santa Cruz fight  and no Frampton/Valdez, going to fight each other instead boring

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Wed 31 Jul 2019, 9:55 am

Got to be honest I’d prefer to see Galahad against either Santa Cruz or Valdez, best fighting the best what we love, you could argue Galahad’s the best in Britain around this weight no disrespect to the others

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Wed 31 Jul 2019, 2:53 pm

Hughie Fury has joined match room and will fight fight former WBA champion Alexander Povetkin on the Lomachenko-Campbell undercard

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Post by Atila on Thu 01 Aug 2019, 11:52 pm

Ex-boxing champion Carlos Baldomir jailed over sexual abuse
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-49191065?intlink_from_url=&link_location=live-reporting-story

A court in Argentina has sentenced former welterweight world boxing champion Carlos Baldomir to 18 years in prison.
Baldomir, 48, was found guilty of the repeated sexual abuse of a child.

The court heard that the abuse began when the girl was seven years old and lasted for two years.

Baldomir was World Boxing Council champion for 10 months in 2006 after he beat the unified welterweight champion Zab Judah in New York.

He defended his title against Arturo Gatti before losing it to Floyd Mayweather in November 2006. The boxer retired in 2014 and became a trainer.

Baldomir had already spent almost three years in pre-trial detention in the province of Santa Fe after his arrest in November 2016.

He denied the charges and his lawyer described the sentence as "very high and excessive". When he arrived in court last week at the start of his trial, he was defiant, raising his fists and showing the middle finger to journalists.

Prosecutors had asked for a sentence of 20 years in prison.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Fri 02 Aug 2019, 12:15 am

Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez has been stripped of the IBF middleweight title after failing to agree terms with mandatory challenger Sergiy Derevyachenko.

Derevyachenko could now face IBF #2 ranked Gennady Golovkin for the vacant belt.

Rather oddly Alvarez is now looking to face WBO champion Boo Boo Andrade in a WBA/WBO unification.

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Post by Mr Bounce on Fri 02 Aug 2019, 10:58 pm

Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:Hughie Fury has joined match room and will fight fight former WBA champion Alexander Povetkin on the Lomachenko-Campbell undercard

I can see Povetkin smacking Hughie out if he's got anything left. However I am not sure he has. He was target practice for Joshua after 2 or 3 rounds. Hughie though was utter garbage against Samuel Peter. Can't see him troubling any of the top contenders at all.

As for Oscar and Canelo, well played IBF. You want to keep the belt? Defend against the mandatory (unless you're Deontay Wilder of course).


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Post by Herman Jaeger on Tue 06 Aug 2019, 4:01 pm

‘I think it would be a good thing to have an internationally recognized body taking over the testing problem’

https://www.boxingscene.com/arum-im-concerned-with-loma-bout-i-trust-british-board--141495

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Post by Eyetoldyouso on Wed 07 Aug 2019, 11:06 am

Herman Jaeger wrote:‘I think it would be a good thing to have an internationally recognized body taking over the testing problem’

https://www.boxingscene.com/arum-im-concerned-with-loma-bout-i-trust-british-board--141495

Key missing word - "I DON'T trust British Board"

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Fri 09 Aug 2019, 10:45 am

What a fight this is, soon as Stevenson loses real fights start getting made in the division he was an awful champion; can Gvozdyk box a masterclass or will Beterbiev win by brutal knockout? Unmissable:

https://www.boxingscene.com/gvozdyk-beterbiev-unification-lands-liacouras-center-philly--141553

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Post by Soul Requiem on Fri 09 Aug 2019, 10:53 am

Real fights like fighting Ngumbu?

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Fri 09 Aug 2019, 11:29 am

No this guy going after the best fighting Beterbiev his second fight after winning the WBC you can’t knock it

Stevenson was a lousy champion who deprived a great champion in Kovalev from becoming the undisputed number one

His opponents were handpicked all the way Gvozdyk was his first real defence it was a con of a reign, a sham reign

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Post by Soul Requiem on Fri 09 Aug 2019, 11:32 am

Aside from not fighting Kovalev, Stevensons reign wasn't that bad at all and to be honest aside from being a puncher Beterbiev is awful.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Fri 09 Aug 2019, 11:50 am

There were some ok defences in Cloud, Bellew, Bika and Williams but there was way too much garbage too Gvozdyk was the first 50/50 and true defence of his reign if you’re going by rankings

It was time to fight Kovalev after Cloud that’s when he started ducking him with the full support of Haymon and the WBC

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Post by Soul Requiem on Fri 09 Aug 2019, 11:56 am

Fonfara and Shukotsky were decent fights too, it's hardly his fault that there was only one 50/50 out there, Gvozdyk only beat him because he got old, go back five years and that becomes a routine defence like the rest of them.

Fighting Beterbiev is seen as a good fight when it's uninspiring which shows that people alter there attitude depending on who the boxers are.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Fri 09 Aug 2019, 12:05 pm

I forgot Jack that was a reasonable defence too which of course he clearly lost

They were going to rob Gvozdyk too if he hadn’t got the stoppage

Gvozdyk only beat Stevenson because he got old? Do me a favour

You’re one of these fans who can’t see when they’re being conned. You’re rating Stevenson much too highly. Everyone else can see he picked opponents he was expected to beat. Gvozdyk always beats him no matter when they fight he’s simply too good for a mediocre champion

Stevenson entire reign based around ducking Kovalev

Fonfara? Please..

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Fri 09 Aug 2019, 12:08 pm

Beterbiev fight is seen as uninspiring?

By whom?

It’s a cracker in most people’s book

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Post by Soul Requiem on Fri 09 Aug 2019, 12:14 pm

Most people? You mean the five people who know it's happening?

You lose credibility when you try and portray your own opinion as the opinion of everyone else, Gvozdyk got lucky, plain and simple really.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Fri 09 Aug 2019, 12:21 pm

Gvozdyk got lucky and I’m the one losing credibility?

Haha they couldn’t duck Gvozdyk Bob forced it on them beautiful you can’t fck with the bobfather what s sham champion he was

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Post by Soul Requiem on Fri 09 Aug 2019, 12:23 pm

I'm guessing you've not bothered to watch the fight then, Stevenson outsped the lumbering Gvozdyk for the most part until he got caught in the 11th, without that he wins and deservedly so, your hyperbole is amusing i'll give you that.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Fri 09 Aug 2019, 12:36 pm

I never said Gvozdyk was all that either but he’s a decent fighter a notch above a mediocre champion like Stevenson

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Post by Soul Requiem on Fri 09 Aug 2019, 12:41 pm

A notch above?

He's made one defence of his title against an absolute nobody, Stevenson was a world class operator for a long time, he might not have fought Kovalev but he had undoubted talent and he was the best part of 41 when he lost a fight he was comfortably winning, doesn't add up to being a notch above.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Fri 09 Aug 2019, 12:58 pm

If he’d boxed Kovalev instead of Bellew he wouldn’t have had a reign at all the man sickens me

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Post by Soul Requiem on Fri 09 Aug 2019, 1:34 pm

If A had fought B he might have lost and blah blah blah, works for everyone, if Kovalev had fought Hopkins five years earlier he'd probably have lost.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Fri 09 Aug 2019, 2:31 pm

Stevenson would never beat Gvozdyk I can’t have a conversation about boxing with you you believe that

I think you’re winding me up I can’t believe you really think that. Bob had to force that fight

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Post by Soul Requiem on Fri 09 Aug 2019, 2:35 pm

Wow how can I argue with that?

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Fri 09 Aug 2019, 2:45 pm

I think you know that’s a silly statement Stevenson beats Gvozdyk if they met five years before

It’s not too late to retract

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Post by Soul Requiem on Fri 09 Aug 2019, 2:50 pm

If a 41 year old Stevenson makes him look like a plodder then a 36 year old Stevenson knocks him out, it's almost as if you genuinely haven't seen the fight and don't realise who was winning quite comfortably.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sat 10 Aug 2019, 8:59 pm

‘You tried to make Adonis Stevenson and Kovalev’ lol

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sat 10 Aug 2019, 9:39 pm

https://youtu.be/wgtO378tURQ

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Tue 20 Aug 2019, 7:20 pm

Looks in good shape, near back to his best last time with McGirt and huge payday with Canelo awaits. Intriguing fight, do we have any predictions?

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Tue 20 Aug 2019, 9:53 pm

Derevyanchenko Is a really good fighter but he was dropped by Jacobs in his previous title fight. GGG is a few levels above Jacobs and has considerably more power.

GGG stops Derevyanchenko between rounds 8-10

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Tue 20 Aug 2019, 10:30 pm

What about Yard’s fight?

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Wed 21 Aug 2019, 7:12 am

Herman Jaeger wrote:What about Yard’s fight?
Krusher by KO. Yarde seems to be hoping that Kovalev has deteriorated massively since his last fight. Even if Kovalev is slightly diminished, he’s a few levels above Yarde. The key aspect for Yarde is how will he react when he gets hit by Kovalev. Yarde hasn’t fought anyone of note. This bout has the feeling of Kovalev/Cleverly about it.

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