RWC final 19 - England v SA Match Thread - 02-11-2019 - Kick Off 09:00am

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The big one. The Rugby World Cup Final.

ENGLAND

Elliot Daly; Anthony Watson, Manu Tuilagi, Owen Farrell, Jonny May, George Ford, Ben Youngs; Mako Vunipola, Jamie George, Kyle Sinckler, Maro Itoje, Courtney Lawes, Tom Curry, Sam Underhill, Billy Vunipola

Replacements: Luke Cowan-Dickie, Joe Marler, Dan Cole, George Kruis, Mark Wilson, Ben Spencer, Henry Slade, Jonathan Joseph

SOUTH AFRICA

Le Roux; Kolbe, Am, De Allende, Mapimpi; Pollard, De Klerk; Mtawarira, Mbonambi, Malherbe, Etzebeth, De Jager, Kolisi (capt), Du Toit, Vermeulen.

Replacements: Marx, Kitschoff, Koch, Snyman, Mostert, Louw, H Jantjies, Steyn

Venue: International Stadium, Yokohama
Referee: Jerome Garces
AR1: Romain Poite
AR2: Ben O'Keefe
TMO: Ben Skeen

Head to Head

42 Played 42
15 Won 25
25 Lost 15
2 Drawn 2

Recent Form

16 June 2012
Ellis Park, Johannesburg
36 – 27 to South Africa

23 June 2012
Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium,
Port Elizabeth
14 – 14 draw

24 November 2012
Twickenham, London
15 – 16 to South Africa

15 November 2014
Twickenham, London
28 – 31 to South Africa

12 November 2016
Twickenham, London
37 – 21 to England

9 June 2018
Ellis Park, Johannesburg
42 – 39 to South Africa

16 June 2018
Free State Stadium, Bloemfontein
23 – 12 to South Africa

23 June 2018
Newlands, Cape Town
10 – 25 to England

3 November 2018
Twickenham, London
12 – 11 to England

[stub]

Starting to get very very excited now!
Where are people watching it? Just by chance I’m getting together with a large group of friends in London in what could now prove to be a fatal weekend.
Edit: When I say by chance, the get together was arranged but England being in the World Cup final exceeds expectations!

[SecretFly]

Starting to get very very excited now!
Where are people watching it? Just by chance I’m getting together with a large group of friends in London in what could now prove to be a fatal weekend.
Edit: When I say by chance, the get together was arranged but England being in the World Cup final exceeds expectations!

Let's hope not. It's only a game.

[stub]

I’m hoping not too SF, but no longer have the stamina that I once did. Unfortunately I have not developed much self control either, so looking like a long Saturday.

[TightHEAD]

Yet another sleepless night, this week is really dragging!

[Collapse2005]

Yet another sleepless night, this week is really dragging!

Not worth losing sleep over tighthead. Its just a game.

[stub]

I know what you mean tighthead!

Not long to wait now, let’s hope the team can put in another mammoth performance to bring it home.

They are certainly going to need to be at their very best.

[SecretFly]

I know what you mean tighthead!

Not long to wait now, let’s hope the team can put in another mammoth performance to bring it home.

They are certainly going to need to be at their very best.

Actually, as Miaow might say - and he won't mind me ripping him off in jest - but England are only going to need to be 89.9867521% of their best to beat this SA side. But will they be? - is the question.

The team that actually needs to be at their best is SA.

[stub]

I hope that you are right Fly, because I’m not sure England will be able to repeat last weekend’s performance.

Whether 90% (please excuse lazy rounding Miaow) England v 100% SA would be enough I’m not so sure at all. Imagine both teams will be operating close to their best anyway as a response to the occasion and potential spoils.

[TightHEAD]

Those Saffers are big though! big big big..........

[TightHEAD]

Yet another sleepless night, this week is really dragging!

Not worth losing sleep over tighthead. Its just a game.

I've only just got over 91, 2007 still hurts like hell, especially as we scored a perfectly good try, now we have another dodgy TMO once again!

[bluestonevedder]

I couldn't sleep after the 2015 debacle

[Old Man]

Yet another sleepless night, this week is really dragging!

Not worth losing sleep over tighthead. Its just a game.

I've only just got over 91, 2007 still hurts like hell, especially as we scored a perfectly good try, now we have another dodgy TMO once again!

Wasn’t a try. If it was it would have been given, then instead of a penalty kick you would have still come short, instead of 15-6 it would have been 15-10

[Soul Requiem]

Yet another sleepless night, this week is really dragging!

Not worth losing sleep over tighthead. Its just a game.

I've only just got over 91, 2007 still hurts like hell, especially as we scored a perfectly good try, now we have another dodgy TMO once again!

Wasn’t a try. If it was it would have been given, then instead of a penalty kick you would have still come short, instead of 15-6 it would have been 15-10

It wasn't 15-3 at the time was it.

[Guest]

Those Saffers are big though! big big big..........

Hang on now bonzo, I know a man (eehhh...sort of) who wants to tell you otherwise.

[Old Man]

Yet another sleepless night, this week is really dragging!

Not worth losing sleep over tighthead. Its just a game.

I've only just got over 91, 2007 still hurts like hell, especially as we scored a perfectly good try, now we have another dodgy TMO once again!

Wasn’t a try. If it was it would have been given, then instead of a penalty kick you would have still come short, instead of 15-6 it would have been 15-10

It wasn't 15-3 at the time was it.

Instead of a try you got a penalty.

[Soul Requiem]

Yet another sleepless night, this week is really dragging!

Not worth losing sleep over tighthead. Its just a game.

I've only just got over 91, 2007 still hurts like hell, especially as we scored a perfectly good try, now we have another dodgy TMO once again!

Wasn’t a try. If it was it would have been given, then instead of a penalty kick you would have still come short, instead of 15-6 it would have been 15-10

It wasn't 15-3 at the time was it.

Instead of a try you got a penalty.

Well done with that bit but the rest of the match wouldn't be the same after that point in time.

[Old Man]

Yet another sleepless night, this week is really dragging!

Not worth losing sleep over tighthead. Its just a game.

I've only just got over 91, 2007 still hurts like hell, especially as we scored a perfectly good try, now we have another dodgy TMO once again!

Wasn’t a try. If it was it would have been given, then instead of a penalty kick you would have still come short, instead of 15-6 it would have been 15-10

It wasn't 15-3 at the time was it.

Instead of a try you got a penalty.

Well done with that bit but the rest of the match wouldn't be the same after that point in time.

Well it wasn’t a try.

[TightHEAD]

We woz robbed,

[nlpnlp]

Those Saffers are big though! big big big..........

Hang on now bonzo, I know a man (eehhh...sort of) who wants to tell you otherwise.

SA v Eng Kg match up

Mtawarira 116 v 121 M Vunipola
Mbonambi 98 v 109 George
Malherbe 123 v 113 Sinkler
Etzebeth 119 v 115 Itoje
De Jager 122 v 111 Lawes
Kolisi         99 v 103 Underhill
du Toit     115 v 99 Curry
Vermulen 108 v 126 B Vunipola

[Guest]

Does anyone actually believe Vermuelen is only 108kg?

[Gooseberry]

Does anyone actually believe Vermuelen is only 108kg?

After the game in all that humidity?
Or after hes had a kit kat?

[Scottrf]

Does anyone actually believe Vermuelen is only 108kg?

Think he was strapped to helium balloons during the weigh in?

[Afro]

Does anyone actually believe Vermuelen is only 108kg?

You are right. Just checked him BMI and its 28, classifying him as overweight.

102kg would be more realistic

[Rugby Fan]

Duane Vermeulen looks about the same size as Rassie Erasmus in this photo

https://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/rugby/2018-06-05-theres-a-new-vibe-in-the-springbok-camp-says-duane-vermeulen/

[Old Man]

SA rugby website shows Vermeulen at 117kg

[Guest]

Thanks Old Man.

Rest my case.

[Rugby Fan]

Sprinbok site says Mtawarira, Etzebeth, Vermeulen, Marx and Nyakane are all 117kg

https://www.springboks.rugby/en/teams/springboks?teamclass=1&category=springboks

[Afro]

Compared to the official World Cup site, that the pack weights are based on.

https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/teams/south-africa

In Miaow's defence, that is all he has been trying to say - the official world cup weights look wrong and that assertion is backed up by the weights shown on other websites (like the official Springboks one

[Gooseberry]

In everyone else's defence it's such a non issue and is obsession over it makes trolling him far more important than whether hes right or not. In fact that he probably is correct just makes it all the funnier.

[Scottrf]

Thanks Old Man.

Rest my case.

Not really. You're picking and choosing sources and are still 11kg down, on England. Who aren't the biggest pack. Some way to go yet...

[Afro]

In everyone else's defence it's such a non issue and is obsession over it makes trolling him far more important than whether hes right or not. In fact that he probably is correct just makes it all the funnier.

Fair enough

[Guest]

Thanks Old Man.

Rest my case.

Not really. You're picking and choosing sources and are still 11kg down, on England. Who aren't the biggest pack. Some way to go yet...

Wrong. I didn't even argue one was bigger than the other.

[Guest]

In everyone else's defence it's such a non issue and is obsession over it makes trolling him far more important than whether hes right or not. In fact that he probably is correct just makes it all the funnier.

Trolling only works when it riles someone up tbf. While I haven't been trolling, the ones to 'bite' have clearly been everyone but me. Weird you'd call it an obsession, but good to know you perceive yourself as a bridge dweller.

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[Soul Requiem]

In everyone else's defence it's such a non issue and is obsession over it makes trolling him far more important than whether hes right or not. In fact that he probably is correct just makes it all the funnier.

Trolling only works when it riles someone up tbf. While I haven't been trolling, the ones to 'bite' have clearly been everyone but me. Weird you'd call it an obsession, but good to know you perceive yourself as a bridge dweller.

Erm no...

[SecretFly]

Anyone got highlights of the 1913 game in Twickenham?

I think it identifies where SA might try to expose a weakness this time.

[BamBam]

In everyone else's defence it's such a non issue and is obsession over it makes trolling him far more important than whether hes right or not. In fact that he probably is correct just makes it all the funnier.

Trolling only works when it riles someone up tbf. While I haven't been trolling, the ones to 'bite' have clearly been everyone but me. Weird you'd call it an obsession, but good to know you perceive yourself as a bridge dweller.

[Guest]

In everyone else's defence it's such a non issue and is obsession over it makes trolling him far more important than whether hes right or not. In fact that he probably is correct just makes it all the funnier.

Trolling only works when it riles someone up tbf. While I haven't been trolling, the ones to 'bite' have clearly been everyone but me. Weird you'd call it an obsession, but good to know you perceive yourself as a bridge dweller.

I knew your spiritual home was 4chan

[Guest]

In everyone else's defence it's such a non issue and is obsession over it makes trolling him far more important than whether hes right or not. In fact that he probably is correct just makes it all the funnier.

Trolling only works when it riles someone up tbf. While I haven't been trolling, the ones to 'bite' have clearly been everyone but me. Weird you'd call it an obsession, but good to know you perceive yourself as a bridge dweller.

Erm no...

[Afro]

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That one never happened

[Guest]

Anyone got highlights of the 1913 game in Twickenham?

I think it identifies where SA might try to expose a weakness this time.

The 1899 match up might be more helpful. If South Africa can have a fast start and catch SA cold, they can then pick them off with quick forays in the second half.

Just have to hope Garces doesn't allow some internationally illegal play from England...

[WELL-PAST-IT]

Saints have Lawes at 115kg and I have seen him stated as much as 118kg on other sites, he is certainly a bit more than 111kg stated on the England Rugby site.

I weigh a 108 and he has 10cm on me

[WELL-PAST-IT]

Anyone got highlights of the 1913 game in Twickenham?

I think it identifies where SA might try to expose a weakness this time.

The 1899 match up might be more helpful. If South Africa can have a fast start and catch SA cold, they can then pick them off with quick forays in the second half.

Just have to hope Garces doesn't allow some internationally illegal play from England...

I hope he lets us cross the half way line without being fined

[Guest]

Saints have Lawes at 115kg and I have seen him stated as much as 118kg on other sites, he is certainly a bit more than 111kg stated on the England Rugby site.

I weigh a 108 and he has 10cm on me

Yeah but how much does your manhood weigh? Asking for mikey who seems perversely interesting in this sort of thing...

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