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Post by The Oracle on Thu 12 Dec 2019, 9:00 pm

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Teams:

Wales:

L Halfpenny (Scarlets); J McNicholl (Scarlets), G North (Ospreys), H Parkes (Scarlets), J Adams (Cardiff Blues); D Biggar (Northampton), T Williams (Cardiff Blues); W Jones (Scarlets), K Owens (Scarlets), D Lewis (Cardiff Blues), J Ball (Scarlets), A W Jones (Ospreys, capt), A Wainwright (Dragons), J Tipuric (Ospreys), T Faletau (Bath).

Replacements: R Elias (Scarlets), R Evans (Scarlets), L Brown (Dragons), C Hill (Dragons), R Moriarty (Dragons), R Webb (Toulon), J Evans (Cardiff Blues), N Tompkins (Saracens)


15. Matteo Minozzi (Wasps) – 16 caps
14. Leonardo Sarto (Benetton Rugby) – 34 caps
13. Luca Morisi (Benetton Rugby) – 29 caps
12. Carlo Canna (Zebre) – 39 caps
11. Mattia Bellini (Zebre) – 22 caps
10. Tommaso Allan (Benetton Rugby) – 54 caps
9. Callum Braley (Gloucester) – 5 caps

1. Giosuè Zilocchi (Zebre) – 2 caps
2. Luca Bigi (c) (Zebre) – 24 caps
3. Andrea Lovotti (Zebre) – 40 caps
4. Alessandro Zanni (Benetton Rugby) – 117 caps
5. Niccolò Cannone (Benetton Rugby) – uncapped
6. Sebastian Negri (Benetton Rugby) – 22 caps
7. Jake Polledri (Gloucester) – 13 caps
8. Abraham Steyn (Benetton Rugby) – 36 caps

Replacements

16. Federico Zani (Benetton Rugby) – 13 caps
17. Danilo Fischetti (Zebre) – uncapped
18. Marco Riccioni (Benetton Rugby) – 7 caps
19. Marco Lazzaroni (Benetton Rugby) – 4 caps
20. Dean Budd (Benetton Rugby) – 26 caps
21. Giovanni Licata (Zebre) – 8 caps
22. Guglielmo Palazzani (Zebre) – 36 caps
23. Jayden Hayward (Benetton Rugby) – 23 caps


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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Tue 28 Jan 2020, 10:40 am

I only read yesterday that WillGriff John used to play in the back row - that must be going back a while though.

It sounds like they've been looking for more from him outside the scrum:

"We went up to Sale to watch WillGriff John a few times and I was delighted to see what he does at the set-piece," said Humphreys.

"We went up a couple of weeks later to have a coffee with him and talk about the game.

"There were some areas we wanted him to work on outside the set-piece and he's certainly done that.

"We all know his background as a back-rower and he's worked hard on what he can do outside the scrum. He's a huge man and he wanted to play for Wales.

"He's made those improvements and at 27 he's a great age profile."

https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/sport/18189157.brown-six-nations-contender-thanks-dragons-scrum-work---wales-coach/


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Post by maestegmafia on Tue 28 Jan 2020, 10:56 am

He could be a great addition.



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Post by mikey_dragon on Tue 28 Jan 2020, 11:52 am

Yeah spotted him a while back and thought he could have been at least included in the squad for the 6N last year, which never came and he extended his Sale contract to 2021. I think he'd also be a good addition to a region, you need a like-for-like in most position nowadays. Dillon Lewis could be a very good player, but the rate in which he goes backwards in the scrum is unbelievable.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Tue 28 Jan 2020, 11:54 am

RiscaGame wrote:Decent.

I do get the feeling Leon Brown will start, judging by comments by Humphreys.

Haha that would trigger a lot of pathetic people from Scarlets and Blues - it'll big-time trigger them.

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Post by RiscaGame on Tue 28 Jan 2020, 1:31 pm

I would start John, from what I have heard about him and have Brown as a finisher.

Trouble is, you can't test somebody without playing them. Pivac ought to know what he is getting off Lewis and I would suggest John and Brown are the way to go.

As an aside, I liked the comment from Humphreys about ensuring our tightheads are scrummaging straight.

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Post by maestegmafia on Tue 28 Jan 2020, 1:37 pm

I would start Tompkins for certain.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Tue 28 Jan 2020, 3:20 pm

'Elliot Dee’s run of 18 successive Wales Tests is in doubt because a rib injury has prevented the Dragons hooker from taking a full part in training ahead of the Six Nations opener against Italy.

The 25-year-old from Newbridge has featured in every international since being an unused replacement in the 2018 autumn encounter Australia.'

https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/sport/18192592.dee-major-doubt-wales-six-nations-opener/



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Post by maestegmafia on Tue 28 Jan 2020, 3:41 pm

Elyas time to prove yourself

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Post by RiscaGame on Tue 28 Jan 2020, 4:04 pm

Real shame if Dee didn't make it, although I have no issue with Elias. The issue I had, was people (person) thinking that for some reason, he deserved to replace Dee as the back up hooker.

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Post by maestegmafia on Tue 28 Jan 2020, 6:01 pm

RiscaGame wrote:Real shame if Dee didn't make it, although I have no issue with Elias. The issue I had, was people (person) thinking that for some reason, he deserved to replace Dee as the back up hooker.

I rate Dee highly, Elias too, but Dee has the second slot behind Ken.

Though it would be good to see Elias get more time on the pitch

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Post by maestegmafia on Tue 28 Jan 2020, 7:13 pm

Jiffy’s Wales XV for Italy

Johnny McNicholl; Louis Rees-Zammit, George North, Hadleigh Parkes, Josh Adams; Dan Biggar, Tomos Williams; Wyn Jones, Ken Owens, WillGriff John, Jake Ball, Alun Wyn Jones (capt), Aaron Shingler, Taulupe Faletau, Justin Tipuric

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Post by Guest on Tue 28 Jan 2020, 8:11 pm

Halfpenny is in excellent form. He should start.

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Post by maestegmafia on Tue 28 Jan 2020, 8:15 pm

guestalt_physicality wrote:Halfpenny is in excellent form. He should start.

The Article alludes to trying a few new players out over ones we know all about.

Of all the teams I’ve seen so far by pundits and players I like this the most.

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Post by Guest on Tue 28 Jan 2020, 8:20 pm

I don't think it's sensible to start two uncapped players in the back 3. McNicholl is a very experienced player so won't need the time that Rees-Zammitt does. McNicholl has also been injured and in terrible form this season. Halfpenny is probably in the best form of his life. I wouldn't look to cap new players in this position if LRZ is going to be given his chance. McNicholl on the bench for me as cover.

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Post by maestegmafia on Tue 28 Jan 2020, 9:28 pm

McNicoll offers a similar style to Williams and has shown great form

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Post by Guest on Tue 28 Jan 2020, 9:37 pm

I'm allowed my opinion maesteg. Thanks.

McNicholl has not played well this season, particularly since the Barbarians game.

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Post by Cyril on Tue 28 Jan 2020, 9:53 pm

All the Welsh players (even the English ones) are in ‘great form’ according to Maes. Who would be a selector?

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Post by The Oracle on Tue 28 Jan 2020, 9:55 pm

guestalt_physicality wrote:I'm allowed my opinion maesteg. Thanks.

McNicholl has not played well this season, particularly since the Barbarians game.

And so is he.
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Post by Cyril on Tue 28 Jan 2020, 10:04 pm

Oracle, you do know that TAFKAM decides who has an opinion, don’t you? 😉

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Post by mikey_dragon on Tue 28 Jan 2020, 10:17 pm

Cyril wrote:All the Welsh players (even the English ones) are in ‘great form’ according to Maes. Who would be a selector?

To be fair I've never heard him say Aled Davies was in great form, so there is an element of consistency and truth here. And right, it's why we leave it to the big boys like Pivac.

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Post by Guest on Tue 28 Jan 2020, 10:32 pm

The Oracle wrote:
guestalt_physicality wrote:I'm allowed my opinion maesteg. Thanks.

McNicholl has not played well this season, particularly since the Barbarians game.

And so is he.

OK

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Post by Guest on Tue 28 Jan 2020, 10:40 pm

Looks like the WRU has copied England's 'Rising Songs'.

It's a good little insight in to the Wales camp. Looks like an exciting environment to be in and nice to see faces like Warburton and Bobby there as well. Pivac looks a natural. Hope the transition goes well in all honesty we have to be joint favourites with England for this tournament.


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Post by Cyril on Tue 28 Jan 2020, 11:33 pm

It was Rising ‘Sons’, not ‘Songs’. Otherwise it wouldn’t have made a lot of sense with the play on words.

I’d put Wales slightly below Ireland in terms of ‘favourites’ with a probable finish of 3rd/4th. They’ll likely improve though.


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Post by Guest on Tue 28 Jan 2020, 11:38 pm

Thanks for the correction. It would be interesting to see how well your predictions have gone since you started making them in 2012 Cyril. I bet England are on for their 8th title in a row Wink

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Post by maestegmafia on Wed 29 Jan 2020, 6:47 am

Barry John also looking at Zammit and Adams with Big George at 13.

So many articles selecting North at outside center you almost have to see it as set in stone. Unless it is a ruse..?

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Post by Cyril on Wed 29 Jan 2020, 7:31 am

I doubt it’s a ruse. If you need to play mind games before a home game against Italy something is badly wrong.

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Post by maestegmafia on Wed 29 Jan 2020, 7:45 am

BBC Squad selector is up and running, can’t be far away now...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/51268603

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Wed 29 Jan 2020, 7:48 am

You'd surely expect that Tompkins starts on saturday ahead of North? Would be bizarre to see anything else given hes been persuaded to follow the wales route.

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Post by maestegmafia on Wed 29 Jan 2020, 7:50 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:You'd surely expect that Tompkins starts on saturday ahead of North? Would be bizarre to see anything else given hes been persuaded to follow the wales route.

I agree, I can’t see why you would add players to the squad you have no intention of using.

Williams and Tompkins could be a very good partnership with both on form

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Post by Cyril on Wed 29 Jan 2020, 7:54 am

I’d have thought so too. Not sure North has the skill set or rugby nous to play that position at international level except in an emergency. He’s never struck me as a particularly intelligent player in a rugby sense, rather relying on his physical attributes. I would have thought they would go with Turncoat Tompkins, unproven as he is at that level.

It’s only Italy anyway.

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Post by maestegmafia on Wed 29 Jan 2020, 9:38 am

Steve Hansen on Pivac

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/51262779

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Post by LondonTiger on Wed 29 Jan 2020, 9:40 am

maestegmafia wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:You'd surely expect that Tompkins starts on saturday ahead of North? Would be bizarre to see anything else given hes been persuaded to follow the wales route.

I agree, I can’t see why you would add players to the squad you have no intention of using.

Williams and Tompkins could be a very good partnership with both on form

Sorry for ignorance, but which Williams?

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Post by maestegmafia on Wed 29 Jan 2020, 9:44 am

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maestegmafia wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:You'd surely expect that Tompkins starts on saturday ahead of North? Would be bizarre to see anything else given hes been persuaded to follow the wales route.

I agree, I can’t see why you would add players to the squad you have no intention of using.

Williams and Tompkins could be a very good partnership with both on form

Sorry for ignorance, but which Williams?

Owen Williams

I like the backline playing with a creative 12. Whilst there is nothing wrong with Parkes I like the way we play when you have another player who can get the ball moving.

This might be a good game to bring Williams in and see if he can get back to the form he has been showing previously.

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Post by LondonTiger on Wed 29 Jan 2020, 9:48 am

I think Williams has had just 3 games (two of them from the bench) for Gloucester and from what I saw looked pretty ropey.

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Post by maestegmafia on Wed 29 Jan 2020, 9:51 am

LondonTiger wrote:I think Williams has had just 3 games (two of them from the bench) for Gloucester and from what I saw looked pretty ropey.

Ropey is maybe a bit harsh but yes he’s only had a few games after two seasons troubled with injuries

In form he is a huge potential.

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Post by LondonTiger on Wed 29 Jan 2020, 9:58 am

Perhaps rusty is better Very Happy

He is likely to end up being your Billy Twelvetrees - a lot of largely unfulfilled promise - unless something happens soon.

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Post by RiscaGame on Wed 29 Jan 2020, 10:23 am

maestegmafia wrote:Steve Hansen on Pivac

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/51262779

Interesting read that.

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Post by maestegmafia on Wed 29 Jan 2020, 10:36 am

LondonTiger wrote:Perhaps rusty is better Very Happy

He is likely to end up being your Billy Twelvetrees - a lot of largely unfulfilled promise - unless something happens soon.

Different in wales as the player pool is not so large. Realistically England have 10 players vying for a shirt when wales would have four or five max.

Maybe 36 could have cut it as an England player if there weren’t so many alternatives around him. I guess Farrell as a 12 was just a better option

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Post by maestegmafia on Wed 29 Jan 2020, 12:57 pm

Who's the quickest in the squad then?

Asked about going toe to toe in a race Adams against Zamster he said "I don't think I will, either! I will pick my battles.

"I've no shame saying it, that if we did, he would win. He's very quick, to be fair to him."

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Post by Guest on Wed 29 Jan 2020, 3:14 pm

maestegmafia wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:You'd surely expect that Tompkins starts on saturday ahead of North? Would be bizarre to see anything else given hes been persuaded to follow the wales route.

I agree, I can’t see why you would add players to the squad you have no intention of using.

Williams and Tompkins could be a very good partnership with both on form

Neither has played very much rugby. Williams has only just returned to fitness.

Despite that, I'd like to see Owen Williams given another chance at 12. Hopefully against Scotland who are likely to be a bit of a shambles this year.

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Post by Guest on Wed 29 Jan 2020, 3:17 pm

LRZ is definitely the quickest in the Welsh team.

Only Luke Morgan and Ashton Hewitt look like they would be in his league/as fast as him in Wales. It's a big asset for a modern day winger.

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Post by RiscaGame on Wed 29 Jan 2020, 8:41 pm

Interesting that you think Hewitt is fast.

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Post by maestegmafia on Wed 29 Jan 2020, 9:13 pm

WOL expected Wales team:

Leigh Halfpenny; George North; Nick Tompkins; Hadleigh Parkes; Josh Adams; Dan Biggar; Tomos Williams; Wyn Jones; Ken Owens; Leon Brown; Jake Ball; Alun Wyn Jones (capt); Aaron Wainwright; Justin Tipuric; Taulupe Faletau.

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Post by maestegmafia on Thu 30 Jan 2020, 7:04 am

Midday they are announcing the squad. I like the look of that team. With  Zamster and maybe Webb with Williams as halfback/centre bench to come on and change things up.

The forwards I’d imagine to be Rob Elias John Hill and Navidi

Bit of a trials match..

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Post by maestegmafia on Thu 30 Jan 2020, 10:38 am

12 o clock can’t come fast enough today

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Post by chris_501 on Thu 30 Jan 2020, 11:36 am

maestegmafia wrote:WOL expected Wales team:

Leigh Halfpenny; George North; Nick Tompkins; Hadleigh Parkes; Josh Adams; Dan Biggar; Tomos Williams; Wyn Jones; Ken Owens; Leon Brown; Jake Ball; Alun Wyn Jones (capt); Aaron Wainwright; Justin Tipuric; Taulupe Faletau.

I'm still undecided on who joins Adams on the wings, but other than that, its the team I would select. I think that backrow looks brilliant.

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Post by Guest on Thu 30 Jan 2020, 11:37 am

Navidi apparently injured for most of the tournament.

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Post by The Oracle on Thu 30 Jan 2020, 12:03 pm

Well that's a bit underwhelming! Not many new starts there. Safety first.
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Post by Guest on Thu 30 Jan 2020, 12:03 pm

It's a good team. No complaints considering it's Italy and the injuries. Expect Gareth Davies to be recalled for the next fixture with Webb missing out.

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