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Post by Tramptastic on Tue 21 Jan 2020, 1:55 pm

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IRELAND V SCOTLAND

1st of February 2020 16:45 Kick off

Referee: Mathieu Raynal (France)
Assistant 1: Pascal Gauzere (France)
Assistant 2: Federico Anselmi (Argentina)
TMO: Glenn Newman (New Zealand)

Ireland: 15 Jordan Larmour, 14 Andrew Conway, 13 Garry Ringrose, 12 Bundee Aki, 11 Jacob Stockdale, 10 Jonathan Sexton (c), 9 Conor Murray, 8 Caelan Doris, 7 Josh van der Flier, 6 CJ Stander, 5 James Ryan, 4 Iain Henderson, 3 Tadhg Furlong, 2 Rob Herring, 1 Cian Healy
Replacements: 16 Ronan Kelleher, 17 Dave Kilcoyne, 18 Andrew Porter, 19 Devin Toner, 20 Peter O’Mahony, 21 John Cooney, 22 Ross Byrne, 23 Robbie Henshaw

Scotland: 15 Stuart Hogg (c), 14 Sean Maitland, 13 Huw Jones, 12 Sam Johnson, 11 Blair Kinghorn, 10 Adam Hastings, 9 Ali Price, 8 Nick Haining, 7 Hamish Watson, 6 Jamie Ritchie, 5 Jonny Gray, 4 Scott Cummings, 3 Zander Fagerson, 2 Fraser Brown, 1 Rory Sutherland
Replacements: 16 Stuart McInally, 17 Allan Dell, 18 Simon Berghan, 19 Ben Toolis, 20 Cornell du Preez, 21 George Horne, 22 Rory Hutchinson, 23 Chris Harris

Perennial World Cup Quarter Finalists vs A Team With No Clear Strategy That Doesn't Currently Play To It's Strengths, Please Come Back Vern

Historical head to head data is useless as Scotland won for the 1st hundred years but Ireland have been dead good since the year 2000, except in 2010 at Croke Park which tells you Dan Parks is the finest rugby player Scotland has ever poached from Australia.

New head coach for Ireland in Farrell vs Townsend with new back room staff

Captain Sexton vs Captain Hogg - Eurgh, there's going to be so much moaning at the ref.

I'm looking forward to seeing a healthy amount of abuse in the thread below, please enjoy.


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Post by BigGee on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:27 pm

Another crazy penalty, that was as obvious as day

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Post by Heaf on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:27 pm

Well there's the first bit ...

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Post by Duty281 on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:28 pm

Scotland masters of their own demise. Numerous daft penalties and Hogg doing a Freddie Burns.

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Post by BigGee on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:28 pm

19-12 Ireland

We need a converted try to draw now

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Post by majesticimperialman on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:30 pm

Scotland giving Ireland a lot of easy penalties kicks at goal. 

Could they be fighting with Italy again for the wooden spoon. on this performance?

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Post by RDW on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:33 pm

Story of the game - Ireland turning over on their own line.

12 turnovers!! Unforgivable at this level.

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Post by BigGee on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:33 pm

It is not our day

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Post by tigertattie on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:34 pm

As a wise old ref once said.

“You can’t be offside at a ruck”

Apparently
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Post by tigertattie on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:35 pm

Can we?

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Post by Duty281 on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:35 pm

Poor reffing there as Ireland were offside numerous times.

Still, it’s worrying for Scotland going forward that all their good tempo attack completely fades when they get into the Irish 22.

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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:36 pm

This is a textbook Scottish loss, lots of endeavour but no composure at all and endless blown opportunities

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Post by tigertattie on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:36 pm

Course not. Coz the breakdown has been owned by Ireland
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Post by tigertattie on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:38 pm

Boooooooooo

To be fair, no one expected us to have a chance today so meh
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Post by Pot Hale on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:38 pm

I did. Commiserations.
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Post by Heaf on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:39 pm

Duty281 wrote:Poor reffing there as Ireland were offside numerous times.

Still, it’s worrying for Scotland going forward that all their good tempo attack completely fades when they get into the Irish 22.

Yep hands on the ground in front of the try line not pinged ...

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Post by Cyril on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:39 pm

Two pretty average sides on display here. Those Japan defeats were no fluke.

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Post by BigGee on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:39 pm

19-12 Ireland at FT

Well done Ireland you just held us, some of your old timers stood up today and got you over the line.

I'll reflect before commenting on Scotland, lots to be pleased about, but far to many mistakes to win the game ultimately

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Post by Pot Hale on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:39 pm

That was game of the weekend for me.  Smile

Roll on Round 2.


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Post by Pot Hale on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:41 pm

Cyril wrote:Two pretty average sides on display here. Those Japan defeats were no fluke.

You’re at it again, Squirrel - digging vainly for nuts.
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Post by George Carlin on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:44 pm

Well done Ireland. Will need to sober up before commenting on that crock of schitt from us.
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Post by NeilyBroon on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:45 pm

Well that was the most frustrating loss we've had in a while. No disrespect to our Irish posters but we should have at least drawn that game, if not won it.

Positives were that we actually look relatively organised and there was a decent amount of physicality. I think Haining had a good debut. Hastings looked very assured at 10.

Negatives. The ill discipline and error count. Why oh why were we giving away such easy penalties that just gave Ireland field position and ultimately points. That hogg non-try was so painful it still hurts! Our lineout was woeful and our attack lacked the support players to protect possession. I think we need more than just a new defence coach, we need to get a forwards coach who is very well acquainted with the ruck and a lineout specialist and a new backs coach. I think the conclusion for me is Toonie operates best as a manager and not a coach, hence his success at Glasgow with a good team around him. Our players looked unsure in attack and we just ended up running side to side most times. Wales under Pivac play a model that we should look to, or Japan under Joseph. Simple offloading game with pods of support.

At least we look like we're actually showing up but as ever its a rocky road! To be fair my prediction wasnt a million miles off so I'll take this game as a positive step relatively speaking.


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Post by tigertattie on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:48 pm

Anyone else feel that we lost that game due to Glasgow players ?

Just saying
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Post by Pot Hale on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:50 pm

NeilyBroon wrote:Well that was the most frustrating loss we've had in a while. No disrespect to our Irish posters but we should have at least drawn that game, if not won it.

Positives were that we actually look relatively organised and there was a decent amount of physicality. I think Haining had a good debut. Hastings looked very assured at 10.

Negatives. The ill discipline and error count. Why oh why were we giving away such easy penalties that just gave Ireland field position and ultimately points. That hogg non-try was so painful it still hurts! Our lineout was woeful and our attack lacked the support players to protect possession. I think we need more than just a new defence coach, we need to get a forwards coach who is very well acquainted with the ruck and a lineout specialist. Is scott murray coaching at all?

At least we look like we're actually showing up but as ever its a rocky road! To be fair my prediction wasnt a million miles off so I'll take this game as a positive step relatively speaking.

Agree that a draw would have been fair. To be honest I never thought Ireland was going to roll Scotland. And they certainly turned up.

Ireland have a few worrying injuries after that. Doris out. Kilcoyne out. And it looks like Furlong went off injured too. And possibly Ringrose may have an injury too.

Think that’ll fire up Scotland nicely for their game against England.

Commiserations again.
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Post by Gooseberry on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:50 pm

Pot Hale wrote:
Cyril wrote:Two pretty average sides on display here. Those Japan defeats were no fluke.

You’re at it again, Squirrel - digging vainly for nuts.  

It may be a fshing trip but honestly which bit do you disagree with?

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Post by Cyril on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:51 pm

Pot Hale, both sides were pretty poor though. Ireland have decent defence, Scotland can’t finish. Ireland in particular look no better under a new coaching regime. If anything they have gone further into their shells and employ more negative tactics. It’s eniugh against a pretty poor Scotland though.

Hogg is a shocking choice for captain.

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Post by RDW on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:52 pm

Well I said before the game I wanted us to be on the fight for 80 minutes, and we were. The players put in so much effort and physicality which is great, but that's the baseline of what an international performance should have.

Hugely frustrating to make so many mistakes and mess up so many opportunities. Lineout was a shambles yet again.

Looking on the positive side, that was our best performance in a long time. The fact that we had so many issues yet only lost by 7 points is a positive I suppose...

Hate to say it, but can't help but think if Russell had been playing we might have converted some of those chances!

Ireland will be pleased they won but it wasn't a great performance from them!


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Post by Pot Hale on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:52 pm

Great steal by Stander at the end there. Himself and POM celebrated that one.


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Post by SecretFly on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:52 pm

Scotland made many changes and pushed us to the edge at Home.  Hunger!  Yes it caused errors and penalties against them but Ireland could still do with a huge increase in that killer desire.  Second best again in desire to impose their game on the opposition and preferring these marathon defence sessions

Maybe it will just take time for this 'new' way to bleed in.  But the players will have to be more sure about the game they want to play. It still looks a confusing and confused mish mash.

For Scotland, - well, Townsend still believes in his 'fastest game on the planet' don't he.  
It's not a bad philosophy and you do kinda keep scratching your head that such a furious combination of invention, pace and physicality still struggles for results.

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:54 pm

Well done Ireland. Scrappy game. I was pleased with the effort and physicality from Scotland and there were several forward who did well, Sutherland and Cummings in particular, but far too many mistakes and silly penalties.

As for Stuart Hogg, dear lord. What a drop....

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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 6:59 pm

Hogg what was that?
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Post by SecretFly on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 7:02 pm

TightHEAD wrote:Hogg what was that?

A Drop Try..... rare but highly skilled scoring technique.

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Post by tigertattie on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 7:13 pm

The bit that gets me is our players are either not interested or are trying too hard and forcing it.

Can’t we just get an even measured professional performance?
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Post by Taylorman on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 7:21 pm



Intensity, lost opportunities, error ridden, penalty kicks dominated.

How... unexpected. censored

Telegraph:
“Scotland briefly cut the deficit to four points but Ireland saw out a largely dreary game to begin the Farrell era with a win - but not the kind of performance that will leave their rivals in any way concerned, with far tougher tests ahead.“


Some things never seem to change huh? Two NH coaches go head to head and we immediately revert to attrition, though to be fair Scotland did show some nice attack, spoilt by someone who doesn’t even know how to place the ball on the line. This is exactly why players were taught to slide in and fall on the ball, to prevent that debacle, because the penalty for fluffing a run in try was severe.

Meanwhile, Pivac has the third biggest ever win over Italy, the other two also NZ coached, and keeps them scoreless for the first time ever.

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Post by tigertattie on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 7:25 pm

Taylorman, that’s about as one eyed a post I’ve seen for a while

Scotland and Ireland were two (on the Day) evenly matched teams.

Wales, with their super-dooper SH coach just managed 4 tries against one of the poorest Italian sides seen in years.
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Post by Pot Hale on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 7:26 pm

Taylorman wrote:

Intensity, lost opportunities, error ridden, penalty kicks dominated.

How... unexpected. censored

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“Scotland briefly cut the deficit to four points but Ireland saw out a largely dreary game to begin the Farrell era with a win - but not the kind of performance that will leave their rivals in any way concerned, with far tougher tests ahead.“


Some things never seem to change huh? Two NH coaches go head to head and we immediately revert to attrition, though to be fair Scotland did show some nice attack, spoilt by someone who doesn’t even know how to place the ball on the line. This is exactly why players were taught to slide in and fall on the ball, to prevent that debacle, because the penalty for fluffing a run in try was severe.

Meanwhile, Pivac has the third biggest ever win over Italy, the other two also NZ coached, and keeps them scoreless for the first time ever.

Taylorman.

How.... unexpected.

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Post by Taylorman on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 7:28 pm

Exactly. Some things in rugby are just that 😂thumbsup

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Post by RDW on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 7:29 pm

Just thinking our back 3 were almost non existent in attack. What I would have given for a buzz bomb Darcy Graham to offer something different in their 22.

Hastings was ok, but to me it looked like he had a lot of playmaking taken away from him as a tactic? Maybe to take the pressure off?

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Post by Pot Hale on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 7:30 pm

Taylorman wrote:Exactly. Some things in rugby are just that 😂thumbsup

Indeed. You and Cyril should get a room - you’d get on well together. 😂
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Post by SecretFly on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 7:34 pm

Taylorman wrote:





Meanwhile, Pivac has the third biggest ever win over Italy.

Is it? What are the top two?

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Post by Pot Hale on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 7:36 pm

RDW wrote:Just thinking our back 3 were almost non existent in attack. What I would have given for a buzz bomb Darcy Graham to offer something different in their 22.

Hastings was ok, but to me it looked like he had a lot of playmaking taken away from him as a tactic? Maybe to take the pressure off?

Oddly enough, think Ireland fell into the same trap with too much reliance from both teams hoping their 15 was going to do something special. Stockdale was largely anonymous, and Conway got a couple of chases but that was it.

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Post by RiscaGame on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 7:44 pm

RDW wrote:That would be Johnson the latest 10k fine.

Ref should be speaking to the Ireland players for panning Hastings after he called the mark though.

Agree there too.

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Post by SecretFly on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 7:45 pm

Pot Hale wrote:
RDW wrote:Just thinking our back 3 were almost non existent in attack. What I would have given for a buzz bomb Darcy Graham to offer something different in their 22.

Hastings was ok, but to me it looked like he had a lot of playmaking taken away from him as a tactic? Maybe to take the pressure off?

Oddly enough, think Ireland fell into the same trap with too much reliance from both teams hoping their 15 was going to do something special.    Stockdale was largely anonymous, and Conway got a couple of chases but that was it.

 

No real shape or make to anything really.  

I'll reserve full judgement for now (only one game in) but wonder what a Monday Morning video session is like under Farrell?  - because we may have looked wooden under Joe but at least we mostly looked organised wood.  If the video sessions are 'easier' under Farrell then that performance might be a high point considering the opposition ahead. Hoping players play to their potential won't work. It needs coaching.

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Post by Taylorman on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 7:47 pm

Pot Hale wrote:
Taylorman wrote:Exactly. Some things in rugby are just that 😂thumbsup

Indeed.   You and Cyril should get a room - you’d get on well together.   😂

Cant be getting personal now Pot, that’s usually how things start around here. It’s a very valid comment on the game, trends, expectations. So please don’t go down that route. thumbsup you might not like the opinion, however valid, but getting rooms comments are outdated and borish. Something I thought you knew. But hey. Hug

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Post by Taylorman on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 7:50 pm

SecretFly wrote:
Taylorman wrote:





Meanwhile, Pivac has the third biggest ever win over Italy.

Is it?  What are the top two?

For Wales, four matches ago, and 1999, higher differences.

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Post by SecretFly on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 7:51 pm

Could I get a room with Eva Green please?

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Post by SecretFly on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 7:52 pm

Taylorman wrote:
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Meanwhile, Pivac has the third biggest ever win over Italy.

Is it?  What are the top two?

For Wales, four matches ago, and 1999, higher differences.

Oh for Wales? Oh that's okay. I was just wondering... thought you meant ever by any team.

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Post by tigertattie on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 7:53 pm

SecretFly wrote:Could I get a room with Eva Green please?

Anne Lundon fir me

In a bed of treacle
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Post by SecretFly on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 7:54 pm

tigertattie wrote:
SecretFly wrote:Could I get a room with Eva Green please?

Anne Lundon fir me

In a bed of treacle

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Ya greedy fecker!

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Post by Taylorman on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 7:54 pm

tigertattie wrote:Taylorman, that’s about as one eyed a post I’ve seen for a while

Scotland and Ireland were two (on the Day) evenly matched teams.

Wales, with their super-dooper SH coach just managed 4 tries against one of the poorest Italian sides seen in years.

Yet everything I’ve said has been repeated here by others in terms of the Ireland match. 4 tries and 42 points to 0 in the third ever biggest win over Italy is poor is not a one sided comment then? Ok.

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Post by Taylorman on Sat 01 Feb 2020, 7:57 pm

SecretFly wrote:Could I get a room with Eva Green please?

Sorry fly... Scots have it booked out for weeks with Hogg😂

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