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Post by alfie on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 4:31 pm

Stokes gone at last...and Roach gets one at last ! Bit fluky , reverse leg side edge but I think Kemar was entitled to dome good fortune...

Hell of an innings from Stokes thumbsup

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Post by GSC on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 4:32 pm

Woakes gone first up and Roach on a hat trick
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Post by Duty281 on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 4:32 pm

Now Roach might get a hat-trick.

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Post by alfie on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 4:33 pm

Woakes gone first nut ! Roach the second bowler to try for a hat trick this innings...

...Which is really weird with a scorecard like this Smile

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Post by Gooseberry on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 4:33 pm

Yep really not as easy as the "why arent they scoring at 12 an over" and " should we declare at 550" crowd would have you think ...

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Post by GSC on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 4:35 pm

Don't think it's easy but equally the way England attacked (or not) the first 4 sessions, they had to ramp up the aggression
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Post by Gooseberry on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 4:37 pm

Stokes 52 with the bat and 29 with the ball since the start of 2019

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Post by Gooseberry on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 4:38 pm

GSC wrote:Don't think it's easy but equally the way England attacked (or not) the first 4 sessions, they had to ramp up the aggression

Yeah but some had that for this mornings session...they could very easily have been all out for 300.

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Post by guildfordbat on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 4:53 pm

VTR wrote:A shame England don't have a spinner of the calibre of KP Fan to exploit the conditions!

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Post by guildfordbat on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 5:00 pm

alfie wrote:Like your plan , guildford .  So that means another 25/26 overs max to bat , if you want a dozen at them tonight. Trouble is the light might prevent them all being bowled...

Anyway they're going after them now. And Holder hasn't a lot of ammunition to throw at them after 141 overs so runs should flow pretty freely from here .

Sorry, keep forgetting the light - the problem doesn't show up on tv (or cricinfo when following on that! Wink ). Furthermore, it's a gloriously bright and sunny day here at Bat Towers. Very Happy

Anyway, hoping we get a full (or near to full) allocation. Stick with my suggestion of getting 10 to 12 overs at 'em tonight although Craig's target of 500 before the declaration now seems a trifle optimistic!

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Post by alfie on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 5:01 pm

Young Sam has seen enough ...nice strike for six . Was wondering when the fireworks would start : last few overs have been pretty uneventful.
Looks as if England want 450 at least.

That was a fine spell from Roach clap Good energy after two days in the field.

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Post by alfie on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 5:04 pm

guildfordbat wrote:
alfie wrote:Like your plan , guildford .  So that means another 25/26 overs max to bat , if you want a dozen at them tonight. Trouble is the light might prevent them all being bowled...

Anyway they're going after them now. And Holder hasn't a lot of ammunition to throw at them after 141 overs so runs should flow pretty freely from here .

Sorry, keep forgetting the light - the problem  doesn't show up on tv (or cricinfo when following on that! Wink ). Furthermore, it's a gloriously bright and sunny day here at Bat Towers. Very Happy

Anyway, hoping we get a full (or near to full) allocation. Stick with my suggestion of getting 10 to 12 overs at 'em tonight although Craig's target of 500 before the declaration now seems a trifle optimistic!

Yeah , doesn't look bad on TV ; but judging by other days in this series...

The way they're batting , they may well be playing for just your road map ... More declaration timing than a run target ?

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Post by guildfordbat on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 5:05 pm

And a lovely quick single from Sam.

Roach has deserved much more than his 2 wickets so far over this series.

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Post by Gooseberry on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 5:09 pm

guildfordbat wrote:
alfie wrote:Like your plan , guildford .  So that means another 25/26 overs max to bat , if you want a dozen at them tonight. Trouble is the light might prevent them all being bowled...

Anyway they're going after them now. And Holder hasn't a lot of ammunition to throw at them after 141 overs so runs should flow pretty freely from here .

Sorry, keep forgetting the light - the problem  doesn't show up on tv (or cricinfo when following on that! Wink ). Furthermore, it's a gloriously bright and sunny day here at Bat Towers. Very Happy

Anyway, hoping we get a full (or near to full) allocation. Stick with my suggestion of getting 10 to 12 overs at 'em tonight although Craig's target of 500 before the declaration now seems a trifle optimistic!

Does seem the question now is why bother declaring, is it likely to get easier to bat later in the game?

Either way England should get some decent conditions to bowl at west indies in and it really comes down to being able to take 20 wickets. Theres certainly enough in the pitch to interest Bess and Root is a better spinner than Braithwaite. The big ask will be on the 4 seamers to get some magic on a pitch thats going to make them look very pedestrian against a side who know will know the best result they are likely to get is a draw and that that isnt bad for them at all in terms of the series.
I dont think the West Indies have player whos capable of doing anything like what either Sibley or Stokes did, but 20 wickets is still a long way off.

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Post by alfie on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 5:18 pm

Guess we won't know how easy taking 20 wickets is until we see West Indies batting. Hasn't looked that easy for England...they've battled away at a generally quite pedestrian rate - even with some Stokes acceleration it's only been 210 in 71 overs today. But only seven wickets in 154 overs...
I still think the more time they give themselves to bowl the better. Another twenty odd runs would do me fine.

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Post by Gooseberry on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 5:19 pm

More pointless stats...Curran has more test sixes than test caps but that was his first in 5 innings batting against the west indies.

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Post by Gooseberry on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 5:21 pm

Buttler doing exactly enough to not answer any questions about his long term future.

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Post by alfie on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 5:23 pm

Buttler gone now. Think I'd be happy for the last two to just have a swing now . They've really mainly been just knocking it around lately so I'm not sure there's much point in persevering for any longer. Let's let the bowlers loose !

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Post by Duty281 on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 5:26 pm

Nine down now, another five-for for Chase.

What's Broad got left with the bat?

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Post by alfie on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 5:27 pm

Gooseberry wrote:Buttler doing exactly enough to not answer any questions about his long term future.

Was never going to. If he couldn't make a few runs in this situation he never would ; but equally they weren't going to condemn him for getting out trying to up the run rate...

As to how he looked : still a bit iffy for mine. Some nice shots ...and some shaky play and misses. As you say , nothing really added.

Curran gone. Not going to be 450. But if the bowlers can do a job they have enough.

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Post by Duty281 on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 5:31 pm

Swing has persisted, even with the old ball, so Woakes and Curran should love bowling on this. Just a shame Anderson's missing this test.

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Post by alfie on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 5:37 pm

Not often number eleven comes in with a Test best of 160...

But I'd rather see Broad bowling. Fiddling around for a handful of more runs is a waste of time. Since Stokes got out they've added forty in 16 overs. Hardly cashing in...

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Post by Gooseberry on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 5:37 pm

Even Chase looks worn out now, 42 overs is a heck of a lot.

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Post by Gooseberry on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 5:39 pm

alfie wrote:
Gooseberry wrote:Buttler doing exactly enough to not answer any questions about his long term future.

Was never going to. If he couldn't make a few runs in this situation he never would ; but equally they weren't going to condemn him for getting out trying to up the run rate...

As to how he looked : still a bit iffy for mine. Some nice shots ...and some shaky play and misses. As you say , nothing really added.

Curran gone. Not going to be 450. But if the bowlers can do a job they have enough.

If he hadnt made 20 the internet would've had him hung drawn and quartered.

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Post by Duty281 on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 5:41 pm

That sums up Gabriel's test - missing the easiest run-out chance since Lyon.

Up to 445.

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Post by Gooseberry on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 5:42 pm

The psychological and physical toll of this on the west indies must be huge. Its one reason why England have prolonged things.

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Post by Gooseberry on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 5:45 pm

Gabriel might even be hoping they get forced to follow on so he doesnt have to field again

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Post by alfie on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 5:47 pm

Well Bess and Broad have got them to 450 ...and fairly briskly so fair enough I guess. As you say , goose , they are grinding them down in more ways than one.

I just hope they get a good number of overs to capitalise on that tonight. The good thing is the light looks OK , at least on my TV.

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Post by Duty281 on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 5:49 pm

I think they'll be alright for the light. Gabriel's bowling now descending from the erratic to the dangerous - think Dowrich has done a very good job behind the stumps this innings.

Would declare now and get a full hour at the West Indies batsmen tonight.

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Post by Gooseberry on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 5:53 pm

The fieldings gone to pot too. Honestly get at the openers while they are tired

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Post by alfie on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 5:55 pm

Bess and Broad enjoying themselves...poor old Chase looks exhausted.
These two have actually provided the fireworks we were hoping Buttler and Curran might put on ...

And that's it : 469/9 and about an hour to bowl .Thats not a bad call.

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Post by Gooseberry on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 5:55 pm

Top stuff from England. Biggest threat now really is the drizzle tomorrow. The percentages are low but it could be similar to day one on the first test where theres a light misting on off all day

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Post by Duty281 on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 5:55 pm

469/9 - a laudable effort. Apparently the first time England have scored 450+ in a test at home since 2017.

Two or more wickets tonight and England will be delighted. Will be a horrible fifty-five minutes for the batting side.

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Post by Gooseberry on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 5:58 pm

alfie wrote:Bess and Broad enjoying themselves...poor old Chase looks exhausted.

Its by far the most hes ever bowled in a test innings. Worth noting as well hes the Stokes of the team batting at 5, the toll of this on him could affect his batting concentration too.


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Post by guildfordbat on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 6:01 pm

Useful runs from Bess and Broad as well as adding to the Windies' frustrations.

Play can go on until 7 tonight (assuming light holds). Should allow for about 13 overs. Not too far off my call.

At the start of the day Bumble was talking up the successes of Onions, Bailey and Chapple bowling fast-medium for Lancs in recent years at Old Trafford. On that basis, Curran might fit the bill.

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Post by alfie on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 6:16 pm

Duty281 wrote:469/9 - a laudable effort. Apparently the first time England have scored 450+ in a test at home since 2017.

Two or more wickets tonight and England will be delighted. Will be a horrible fifty-five minutes for the batting side.

Two wickets minimum you'd think. They're attacking with a lot of slips and Broad has already got some movement going.
On the other hand ; if they don't get a wicket at all you'd think this might be headed for a draw - especially if tomorrow sees a lot of time lost.

Wonder if we will see a bit of Bess tonight ?

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Post by king_carlos on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 6:24 pm

Poor Shane Dowrich must be absolutely exhausted right now. I think he kept really well to erratic bowling on a wicket with some changeable bounce and the ball frequently swinging after it passed the stumps.

Chris Woakes is hitting handy Chris Woakes areas, at handy Chris Woakes pace, getting handy Chris Woakes seam movement and just generally doing handy Chris Woakes things. I think Chris Woakes could do well on this wicket.

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Post by guildfordbat on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 6:39 pm

Carlos - don't disagree about Woakes but would still like to see Curran having a bowl and pitching it up into the batsman's pads.

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Post by king_carlos on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 6:40 pm

Broad and Woakes are hitting good areas, last wider ball from Woakes aside, but I'd like to see Curran and Bess before the close.

Curran to see if it swings and Bess to see how it turns. Just change things up for the final few overs.

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Post by king_carlos on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 6:41 pm

guildfordbat wrote:Carlos - don't disagree about Woakes but would still like to see Curran having a bowl and pitching it up into the batsman's pads.

Snap! I didn't get the usual a new post has been made whilst you were typing message there so we must have posted just about simultaneously Guildford! Hug

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Post by alfie on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 6:43 pm

Getting your wishes , gentlemen.

And has Sam got one ? Review...

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Post by alfie on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 6:44 pm

Think he might have ...

Yes Yahoo

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Post by Duty281 on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 6:45 pm

Woakes was just a little short for my liking. Broad trying a little too hard to find the magic ball.

Think Curran's got one here though...yes he has. That golden arm again. Howler from the umpire.

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Post by guildfordbat on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 6:45 pm

YES!!! I was screaming at Root to review! Smile

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Post by alfie on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 6:46 pm

Important break. Looked pretty good live...the umpires have been pretty good in this match , but not over- keen to give lbw. Think he suspected an inside edge.

A good review.

Night watchman time.

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Post by guildfordbat on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 6:48 pm

Joseph in as nightwatchman.

As regulars will know, I'm never keen on using nightwatchmen. Right, let's have 'im!

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Post by alfie on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 6:49 pm

Now Bess will have a go. Good . Mix it up. And probably ensure an extra over or two.

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Post by king_carlos on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 6:51 pm

Yes Sam.

I've been a fan for a long time (since his list-A debut against Northants when I saw that whippy Wasim-esque action and late swing take several wickets on a day David Willey did very little with the ball) so I am biased but when some refer to him as a medium pacer who bats a bit during quieter days I find it incredibly short sighted.

He isn't a perfect bowler but in the right conditions (horses-for-course and all that) he can add a lot to the attack with his left arm angle and hitting the right areas.

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Post by Duty281 on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 6:57 pm

Joseph hasn't exactly batted like someone intent on seeing it out, as he now chips one just over the infield. Risky stuff.

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Post by alfie on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 7:02 pm

Good day for England . One more tonight would have been nice ; but at least they've made one break.

Ha ! If they'd reviewed that Sam would have had another ! Ah well...hard to be sure of those.

Hopefully not too much time to be lost tomorrow . Think twenty wickets are still going to take a bit of work.

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