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Post by Cumbrian Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:26 pm

Thought it might good to have a place to discuss the tournament collectively, would be good to hear about players who we are less familiar with from other nations.

The games are being broadcast live on the iPlayer in the UK this weekend.

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FORWARDS
Harvey Beaton (Saracens)
Phil Brantingham (Newcastle Falcons)
Lucas Brooke (London Irish)
Arthur Clark (Gloucester Rugby)
Jack Clement (Gloucester Rugby)
Luke Green (London Irish)
Alex Groves (Bristol Bears)
Tarek Haffar (London Irish)
Lewis Holsey (Worcester Warriors)
Ethan Hunt (Gloucester Rugby)
Emeka Ilione (Leicester Tigers)
Nahum Merigan (Bath Rugby)
Ewan Richards (Bath Rugby)
Sam Riley (Harlequins)
Ollie Stonham (Saracens)
Harry Taylor (Gloucester Rugby)
Freddie Thomas (Gloucester Rugby)
Archie Vanes (Leicester Tigers)

BACKS
Charlie Atkinson (Wasps)
Seb Atkinson (Worcester Warriors)
Deago Bailey (Bristol Bears)
Orlando Bailey (Bath Rugby)
Jack Bates (Bristol Bears)
Louis Hillman-Cooper (Gloucester Rugby)
Dan Lancaster (Leeds Tykes)
Tom Litchfield (Northampton Saints)
Tommy Mathews (Northampton Saints)
Raffi Quirke (Sale Sharks)
Arthur Relton (Exeter Chiefs)
Tom Roebuck (Sale Sharks)
Fin Smith (Worcester Warriors)
Jack van Poortvliet (Leicester Tigers)


Braveheart Scotland   Braveheart

FORWARDS
Jamie Drummond* (Ayrshire Bulls)
Patrick Harrison* (Southern Knights/Edinburgh Rugby)
Duncan Hood* (Heriot’s Blues)
Tom Banatvala (Durham University)
Michael Jones* (Boroughmuir Bears)
Corey Bowker (Leeds Beckett University)
George Breese* (Stirling Wolves)
Olly Frostick (Ealing Trailfinders)
Cole Lamberton* (Watsonians Rugby/Edinburgh Rugby)
Alex Samuel* (Stirling County/Glasgow Warriors) CAPATIN
Max Williamson* (Stirling County/Glasgow Warriors)
Euan Ferrie (Glasgow Hawks)
Harri Morris (Southern Knights)
Rhys Tait (Southern Knights)
Ollie Leatherbarrow (Exeter University)
Rory Jackson* (Ayrshire Bulls/Glasgow Warriors)
Ben Muncaster* (Watsonians Rugby/Edinburgh Rugby)
Archie Smeaton (Cambridge University)

BACKS
Ethan McVicker (Melrose Rugby)
Murray Redpath (Newcastle University)
Cameron Scott* (Southern Knights/Edinburgh Rugby)
Euan Cunningham* (Stirling County/Glasgow Warriors)
Christian Townsend* (Ayrshire Bulls)
Thomas Glendinning* (Glasgow Hawks)
Scott King* (Heriot’s Rugby/Edinburgh Rugby)
Michael Gray* (Boroughmuir Bears/Glasgow Warriors)
Elliot Gourlay (Sale Sharks)
Finlay Callaghan* (Ayrshire Bulls/Glasgow Warriors)
Adam Scott * (GHA)
Ollie Melville* (Boroughmuir Bears/Glasgow Warriors)
Harry Paterson* (Heriot’s Rugby/Edinburgh Rugby)
Ross McKnight* (Stirling County)


Leprechaun Ireland  Leprechaun

Forwards:

George Saunderson (Sullivan Upper School/Queen’s University Belfast RFC/Ulster)
Jack Boyle (St Michael’s College/UCD RFC/Leinster)
Temi Asewunmi Lasisi (CBS Enniscorthy/Lansdowne FC/Leinster)
Mark Donnelly (CBC Cork/Garryowen RFC/Munster)
Eoin de Buitléar (Scoil Chuimsitheach Chiáran/An Ghaeltacht/Corinthians RFC/Connacht)
Lee Barron (St Michael’s College/Dublin University FC/Leinster)
Ronan Loughnane (Cistercian College Roscrea/UCD RFC/Leinster)
Sam Illo (Wesley College/Old Wesley RFC/Leinster)
Darragh Murray (Colaiste Chiaran/Buccaneers RFC/Connacht)
Harry Sheridan (Sullivan Upper School/Dublin University FC/Ulster)
Mark Morrisey (Blackrock College/UCD RFC/Leinster)
Alex Soroka (Belvedere College/Clontarf RFC/Leinster)
Oisin McCormack (Garbally College/Buccaneers RFC/Connacht)
Alex Kendellen (PBC Cork/UCC RFC/Munster)(Captain)
Reuben Crothers (Wallace High School/Ballynahinch RFC/Ulster)
Donnacha Byrne (Summerhill College/Sligo RFC/Connacht)
Jack Kelleher (PBC Cork/UCC RFC/Munster)
Daniel Okeke (Ard Scoil Ris/Shannon RFC/Munster)
Liam Bishop (Trent College/Nottingham University/IQ Rugby)

Backs:

Conor McKee (Sullivan Upper School/Queen’s University Belfast RFC/Ulster)
Nathan Doak (Wallace High School/Banbridge RFC/Ulster)
Ben Murphy (Presentation College Bray/Old Wesley RFC/Leinster)
Tim Corkery (St Kieran’s College, Kilkenny/UCD RFC/Leinster)
James Humphreys (Dean Close School/Queen’s University Belfast RFC/Ulster)
Cathal Forde (Colaiste Iognaid/Corinthians RFC/Connacht)
Ben Carson (Wallace High School/Banbridge RFC/Ulster)
Shane Jennings (Garbally College/Buccaneers RFC/Connacht)
Ben Moxham (Larne High School/Ballymena RFC/Ulster)
Conor Rankin (Campbell College Belfast/Ballynahinch RFC/Ulster)
Chay Mullins (SGC Filton/Bristol Bears/IQ Rugby)
Josh O’Connor (St Peter’s College/UCD RFC/Leinster)
Jamie Osborne (Naas CBS/Naas RFC/Leinster)
Chris Cosgrave (St Michael’s College/UCD RFC/Leinster)
Jude Postlethwaite (RBAI/Banbridge RFC/Ulster).


Wales Wales Wales

Forwards:
Garyn Phillips (Ospreys)
Theo Bavaqua (Cardiff Blues)
Cameron Jones (Ospreys)
Efan Daniel (Cardiff Blues)
Ollie Burrows (Exeter Chiefs)
Connor Chapman (Dragons)
Nathan Evans (Cardiff Blues)
Lewys Jones (USON Nevers)
Zak Giannini (Llanelli Wanderers)
Joe Peard (Dragons)
James Fender (Ospreys)
Dafydd Jenkins (Exeter Chiefs)
Rhys Thomas (Ospreys/Aberavon)
Alex Mann (Capt – Cardiff Blues)
Christ Tshiunza (Exeter Chiefs)
Harri Deaves (Ospreys)
Tristan Davies (Ospreys)
Carwyn Tuipulotu (Scarlets)
Evan Lloyd (Cardiff Blues)

Backs:
Jacob Beetham (Cardiff Blues)
Morgan Richards (Dragons/Pontypridd)
Carrick McDonnough (Dragons)
Eddie James (Scarlets)
Tom Florence (Ospreys)
Joe Hawkins (Ospreys)
Ioan Evans (Pontypridd)
Daniel John (Exeter Chiefs)
Sam Costelow (Scarlets)
Will Reed (Dragons)
Ben Burnell (Cardiff Blues)
Harri Williams (Scarlets)
Ethan Lloyd (Cardiff Blues)
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Post by Cumbrian Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:30 pm

France Under-20s squad for Six Nations

BARRÉ Léo (Stade Français Paris)
BAUDONNE Maxime (Racing 92)
BIBI BIZIWU Daniel (ASM Clermont Auvergne)
BIELLE BIARREY Louis (FC Grenoble)
BOCHATON Pierre (US Bressane)
BORDENAVE Téo (Section Paloise)
BOUDOU Benjamin (ASM Clermont Auvergne)
BRENNAN Joshua (Stade Toulousain)
DEBAES Thibault (Section Paloise)
EPEE Nelson (Stade Toulousain)
FAKATIKA Akato (USA Perpignan)
FOURSANS BOURDETTE Louis (Montpellier RC)
GAILLETON Emilien (SU Agen)
GARCIA Matteo (Union Bordeaux-Bègles)
HADDAD Matthias (Stade Rochelais)
IDJELLIDAINE Théo (Stade Toulousain)
JAUNEAU Baptiste (Biarritz Olympique)
KITEAU Henzo (ASM Clermont Auvergne)
LACHAISE Jean-Baptiste (Union Bordeaux Bègles)
LE GARREC Nolann (Racing 92)
MALLEZ Paul (Stade Toulousain)
MONTGAILLARD Victor (USA Perpignan)
MOUKORO Thomas (Racing 92)
NTAMACK Théo (Stade Toulousain)
PARISIEN Alfred (Lyon OU)
PLOYET Thomas (Stade Rochelais)
RETIERE Edgar (Stade Toulousain)
REYBIER Enzo (US Oyonnax)
RIGUET Romain (Stade Toulousain)
SA Connor (Union Bordeaux Bègles)
SEGUELA Ugo (US Colomiers)
TCHAPTCHET Alexandre (Lyon OU)
TIXERONT Killian (ASM Clermont Auvergne)
WARION Adrien (RC Toulonnais)
YEMSI Eliott (RC Toulonnais)

Couldn’t find one for Italy...

Scotland v Ireland, 2pm BST – Live on BBC iPlayer and RTE One
England v France, 5pm BST – Live on BBC iPlayer and YouTube/Facebook Live
Italy v Wales, 8pm BST – Live on BBC iPlayer, BBC Two Wales and YouTube/Facebook Live
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Post by profitius Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:46 am

These are usually entertaining games.


Fir ireland Doak, Moxham (both Ulster), Osborne (Leinster) and Kendellen (Munster) have played in the pro14 although very very little.

Backs are supposed to be good this year but forwards not so much.
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Post by Hazel Sapling Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:06 am

From patchy understanding of the Scotland u20s

In the forwards, Patrick Harrison (hk) and Muncaster (no. 8) both got gametime under Cockerill in the Rainbow Cup and did well. Harri Morris (flanker) came off the bench for a game as well. Otherwise, can't think of any others with professional experience.

Williamson and Samuel (locks) both trained with Scotland and have big things expected of them.

In the backs, Redpath (SH) and Townsend (FH) are the famous names though not sure much should be expected for either player yet. A relatively big name is Ollie Melville (wing/FB), a capture from Sale and England u18s.

In terms of professional experience, Harry Paterson (FB) got an appearance for Edinburgh in the Rainbow Cup and, considering Edinburgh's relative lack of back 3 players signed for next season, may be considered for a step up next season.

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Post by lostinwales Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:09 am

Looking at the French list there is of course yet another Ntamack. Also noticed a Joshua Brennan. I assume he's the son of Trevor.

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Post by profitius Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:54 am

lostinwales wrote:Looking at the French list there is of course yet another Ntamack. Also noticed a Joshua Brennan. I assume he's the son of Trevor.

Yeah and like his brother 2 years ago, he's captain.
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Post by No 7&1/2 Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:39 am

This has sneaked up. Didnt even realise England play tomorrow and available on BBC i player. as its competing with the semis and the football anyone know whether the game is available afterwards or just live?

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Post by Margin_Walker Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:00 pm

U20s squad for tomorrow's game against France

15 Orlando Bailey (Bath Rugby)
14 Deago Bailey (Bristol Rugby)
13 Jack Bates (Bristol Rugby)
12 Dan Lancaster (Leeds Tykes)
11 Arthur Relton (Exeter Chiefs)
10 Fin Smith (Worcester Warriors)
9 Jack van Poortvliet (Leicester Tigers)*

1 Lewis Holsey (Worcester Warriors)
2 Archie Vanes (Leicester Tigers)
3 Luke Green (London Irish)*
4 Ewan Richards (Bath Rugby)
5 Alex Groves (Bristol Bears)
6 Freddie Thomas (Gloucester Rugby)
7 Lucas Brooke (London Irish)
8 Jack Clement (Gloucester Rugby)*

REPLACEMENTS
16 Sam Riley (Harlequins)*
17 Phil Brantingham (Newcastle Falcons)
18 Harvey Beaton (Saracens)*
19 Arthur Clark (Gloucester Rugby)
20 Emeka Ilione (Leicester Tigers)
21 Nahum Merigan (Bath Rugby)
22 Tom Carr-Smith (Bath Rugby)
23 Tommy Mathews (unattached)
24 Phil Cokanasiga (London Irish)
25 Louis Hillman-Cooper (Gloucester Rugby)
26 Tom Litchfield (Northampton Saints)

*Previously capped at U20

5pm KO. Streamed on BBC iPlayer

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Post by lostinwales Fri Jun 18, 2021 4:04 pm

What are the rules on replacements? 11 seems like a lot.

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Post by Margin_Walker Fri Jun 18, 2021 4:12 pm

I've no idea. Not sure what the reason for the expanded bench is, but assume they can all come on.

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Post by profitius Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:50 pm

11 on the bench, 8 subs allowed. That's because of the condensed nature of the competition.
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Post by Anglobraveheart Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:44 pm

Has anyone got access to the 6N u20 game, Scotland v Ireland?
I thought that I had read somewhere that the games were going to be on iPlayer. Can't find it.
Will it be on later, or is it only some and not all of the games being shown live.
I've checked iPlayer and itv hub. No joy?

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Post by lostinwales Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:49 pm

Anglobraveheart wrote:Has anyone got access to the 6N u20 game, Scotland v Ireland?
I thought that I had read somewhere that the games were going to be on iPlayer. Can't find it.
Will it be on later, or is it only some and not all of the games being shown live.
I've checked iPlayer and itv hub. No joy?

I saw that. Can't find on Iplayer.

https://www.sixnationsrugby.com/2021/06/16/how-to-watch-the-six-nations-under-20s-in-the-uk-ireland/

says live on youtube and facebook. I have been looking on youtube and the only thing I could find provides a link instead of actually streaming.

All very odd

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Post by lostinwales Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:50 pm

Found on facebook

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Post by Anglobraveheart Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:56 pm

Thank you.
I thought that I was having a senior moment.
I don't do fb.
So I will see if I can get it on YouTube later.
At least the Wales v Italy is advertised for 8pm tonight OK

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:56 pm

I player is having issues l. Link for England here.

https://twitter.com/EnglandRugby/status/1406232995653169152?s=19

Ireland
https://twitter.com/IrishRugby/status/1406222484689522693?s=19

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Post by lostinwales Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:14 pm

Scotland busy shooting themselves in the foot

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Post by Anglobraveheart Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:21 pm

Thank you!
Scotland shooting themselves in foot.....
Whatever next? Rolling Eyes
It must be the impetuosity of youth.

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Post by Cumbrian Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:19 pm

The French team:

Alexandre Tchaptchet, Enzo Reybier, Alfred Parisien, Léo Barré, Nelson Epee, Thibault Debaes, Théo Idjellidaine; Daniel Bibi Biziwu, Connor Sa, Paul Mallez, Joshua Brennan, Adrien Warion, Killian Tixeront, Matthias Haddad, Théo Ntamack

Replacements: Maxime Bordenave, Victor Montgaillard, Henzo Kiteau, Pierre Bochaton, Jean-Baptiste Lachaise, Téo Baudonne, Ugo Seguela, Romain Riguet, Emilien Gailleton, Matteo Garcia, Akato Fakatika

I kept looking for Ntmack in the standoff/ centres, didn't realise he was a no.8!
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Post by Anglobraveheart Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:25 pm

The match reports that we had a yellow towards the end of the first half and a red at the start of the second.
Must have made it a tough afternoon for the youngsters.

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Post by BigGee Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:32 pm

It was a very competitive game until the cards, in fact Scotland probably had the better of the first half.

Starting the second half down 2 players was tough though and Ireland were clinical with their chances. After that it was all about heroic Scottish defence to prevent a cricket score.

Munchester was the standout for Scotland, who was very powerful on every carry. He made roadkill of Humphries with one of them, who had to go off concussed.

An enjoyable game, but both sides looked very rusty with their lack of games played this year.

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Post by profitius Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:45 pm

BigGee wrote:It was a very competitive game until the cards, in fact Scotland probably had the better of the first half.

Starting the second half down 2 players was tough though and Ireland were clinical with their chances. After that it was all about heroic Scottish defence to prevent a cricket score.

Munchester was the standout for Scotland, who was very powerful on every carry. He made roadkill of Humphries with one of them, who had to go off concussed.

An enjoyable game, but both sides looked very rusty with their lack of games played this year.

Yup I'd agree with all that.

This is the youtube channel. It was hard to find. England v France link below. Not sure about geoblocking
https://youtu.be/H_gYBL6bYAo
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Post by Cumbrian Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:46 pm

Very scrappy game so far.

France have been decent in the first half, but England have been woeful. They haven't supported their runners, so have been turned over more times than I care to remember.

French left wing looks a special player.

3-19 at HT.
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Post by lostinwales Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:20 pm

I think it is what they call a game of two halves

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Post by Cumbrian Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:27 pm

Yeah, what a strange day in rugby terms, teams can only play for one half!
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Post by lostinwales Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:37 pm

There are some very handy England players and they have sorted themselves out. France have just collapsed

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Post by Cumbrian Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:59 pm

What a second half from an English point of view! I was worried that we were going to get overpowered,but they came out after the break and everything clicked. From a Newcastle point of view Brantingham looks a very special player, the front row replacements made a huge difference.

I don't want to jinx it, but van Pootvliet looks a very special player, he is just so composed. The last time I was this excited about an English U20s scrum half was Youngs (I feel old saying that!), but he was noticeable because he made eye catching breaks, van Poorfliet looks a much more rounded talent. THat box kick into the corner was the perfect decision at the right time and was executed so well.
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Post by lostinwales Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:16 pm

Cumbrian wrote:What a second half from an English point of view!  I was worried that we were going to get overpowered,but they came out after the break and everything clicked.  From a Newcastle point of view Brantingham looks a very special player, the front row replacements made a huge difference.

I don't want to jinx it, but van Pootvliet looks a very special player, he is just so composed.  The last time I was this excited about an English U20s scrum half was Youngs (I feel old saying that!), but he was noticeable because he made eye catching breaks, van Poorfliet looks a much more rounded talent. THat box kick into the corner was the perfect decision at the right time and was executed so well.

Also thought both Orlando Bailey and the 11, Relton? looked very good, and Fin Smith kicked everything.

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Post by Cumbrian Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:21 pm

I'm overly cautious about outside backs at this level, so many have made their names by running in a straight line quickly.

Bailey is a player I've had my eye on for a while, I really want him to have a crack at inside centre, rather than 10, he has all the skills and size to be very good there.
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Post by lostinwales Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:30 pm

Cumbrian wrote:I'm overly cautious about outside backs at this level, so many have made their names by running in a straight line quickly.

Bailey is a player I've had my eye on for a while, I really want him to have a crack at inside centre, rather than 10, he has all the skills and size to be very good there.


Looks tall but lightweight. What I think is very promising is that he's the kind of player who always looks like he has time when he's got the ball.

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Post by Cumbrian Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:02 pm

Aye, but he'll naturally put on a stone or two, he's got the frame to take it. I could see him being the same size as Devoto, I suppose it all hangs on whether he can keep his agility.
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Post by Margin_Walker Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:18 pm

It was a really good performance from England against a good French team. They blew France away in that second half. Some real quality at 9,10 and 15. Relton on the left wing is comically quick. Replacement front row really made a difference too.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:56 pm

Not a great ref in the Italy vs Wales match, he was on a yellow card spree - most were unnecessary and two were just the wrong decision. That and the rain lead to scrappy affair. Wales pulled through due to their superior halfbacks. Both teams look strong up front. That's good for Wales - last year we seemed to have a small front 5 lacking in power, plus we've struggled to develop locks in recent years but that could be about to change. Ben Carter, Ioan Lloyd and LRZ still eligible but are elsewhere. Our replacement props were surprisingly not as good as the Italian ones. The Azzuri are definitely not whipping boys this year.


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Post by mikey_dragon Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:58 pm

Also it appears that 4 of our guys are with Exeter. Ollie Burrows, Dafydd Jenkins, Christ Tshiunza and Daniel John. This is a great environment for them to flourish in. I am surprised John was picked up, he may become good who knows. We aren't short of wingers with the pace required for international rugby though.

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Post by mikey_dragon Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:58 pm

I was impressed with the Wales U20 scrum half. His passing was very fast and accurate - so much so that the centres were out of sync at times - they need to up the pace. I can't remember when I last seen an U20s scrum-half like that, even Hardy, etc weren't as good at passing at his age. Williams was plucked from England at age 16 and qualifies via his Welsh father. England academy systems again providing help where we are lacking.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:15 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Also it appears that 4 of our guys are with Exeter. Ollie Burrows, Dafydd Jenkins, Christ Tshiunza and Daniel John. This is a great environment for them to flourish in. I am surprised John was picked up, he may become good who knows. We aren't short of wingers with the pace required for international rugby though.

Are you saying Exeter isnt a great place for youngsters to flourish or get their chances?

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Post by LordDowlais Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:16 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:I was impressed with the Wales U20 scrum half. His passing was very fast and accurate - so much so that the centres were out of sync at times - they need to up the pace. I can't remember when I last seen an U20s scrum-half like that, even Hardy, etc weren't as good at passing at his age. Williams was plucked from England at age 16 and qualifies via his Welsh father. England academy systems again providing help where we are lacking.

Scarlets have given him a five year contract such is their belief in him. OK

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Post by mikey_dragon Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:17 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:Also it appears that 4 of our guys are with Exeter. Ollie Burrows, Dafydd Jenkins, Christ Tshiunza and Daniel John. This is a great environment for them to flourish in. I am surprised John was picked up, he may become good who knows. We aren't short of wingers with the pace required for international rugby though.

Are you saying Exeter isnt a great place for youngsters to flourish or get their chances?

I'm saying it "is a great environment for them to flourish in."

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Post by GeordieFalcon Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:17 pm

Margin_Walker wrote:It was a really good performance from England against a good French team. They blew France away in that second half. Some real quality at 9,10 and 15. Relton on the left wing is comically quick. Replacement front row really made a difference too.

Did Brantingham play well? He has a massive reputation coming through. The England under age group management have said hes one of the best LH's they seen in a long time.

So it'll be interesting to see if he can make it through to the falcons 1st team on onwards.

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Post by Oakdene Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:41 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:Also it appears that 4 of our guys are with Exeter. Ollie Burrows, Dafydd Jenkins, Christ Tshiunza and Daniel John. This is a great environment for them to flourish in. I am surprised John was picked up, he may become good who knows. We aren't short of wingers with the pace required for international rugby though.

Are you saying Exeter isnt a great place for youngsters to flourish or get their chances?

I think the opposite is being said.

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Post by Oakdene Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:46 pm

Wasn't the best game to watch but then again the vast majority of the players have played little rugby in the last few months & that showed with a bit of rustiness. Take the win & move on.




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Post by GeordieFalcon Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:54 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:Also it appears that 4 of our guys are with Exeter. Ollie Burrows, Dafydd Jenkins, Christ Tshiunza and Daniel John. This is a great environment for them to flourish in. I am surprised John was picked up, he may become good who knows. We aren't short of wingers with the pace required for international rugby though.

Are you saying Exeter isnt a great place for youngsters to flourish or get their chances?

I'm saying it "is a great environment for them to flourish in."

I misread that...

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Post by Cumbrian Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:02 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:
Margin_Walker wrote:It was a really good performance from England against a good French team. They blew France away in that second half. Some real quality at 9,10 and 15. Relton on the left wing is comically quick. Replacement front row really made a difference too.

Did Brantingham play well? He has a massive reputation coming through. The England under age group management have said hes one of the best LH's they seen in a long time.

So it'll be interesting to see if he can make it through to the falcons 1st team on onwards.

He did very well. He came on early-ish in the second half as part of a complete front row change, he was immediately noticeable around the pitch. Very strong and dynamic, particularly in the ruck. He gained comparisons with Mako at one point. The signs are good for him moving into the first team, but he's still a baby in propping terms.
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Post by GeordieFalcon Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:05 pm

Cumbrian wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:
Margin_Walker wrote:It was a really good performance from England against a good French team. They blew France away in that second half. Some real quality at 9,10 and 15. Relton on the left wing is comically quick. Replacement front row really made a difference too.

Did Brantingham play well? He has a massive reputation coming through. The England under age group management have said hes one of the best LH's they seen in a long time.

So it'll be interesting to see if he can make it through to the falcons 1st team on onwards.

He did very well. He came on early-ish in the second half as part of a complete front row change, he was immediately noticeable around the pitch.  Very strong and dynamic, particularly in the ruck.  He gained comparisons with Mako at one point.  The signs are good for him moving into the first team, but he's still a baby in propping terms.

Yeah i dont think he'll get much 1st team games this season. We also have the other young lad, LH Conrad Cade who has had very good reviews playing for Doncaster on loan this season.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:24 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:
Margin_Walker wrote:It was a really good performance from England against a good French team. They blew France away in that second half. Some real quality at 9,10 and 15. Relton on the left wing is comically quick. Replacement front row really made a difference too.

Did Brantingham play well? He has a massive reputation coming through. The England under age group management have said hes one of the best LH's they seen in a long time.

So it'll be interesting to see if he can make it through to the falcons 1st team on onwards.

Yes. The replacement England front row were pretty big lads and threw their weight around well. France's threat at the scrum disappeared with their scary looking tighthead who I presume will be a feature at senior level soon. He went off injured during the first half.

England's bench was far stronger than the French one and the French could not maintain their intensity with which they started the game. The English halfbacks were much better at controlling the game which stopped the rampant French scoring even more in the first half and strangled the French out the game in the second.

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Post by lostinwales Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:03 am

Good coaching and leadership not to let heads drop looking at the scoreboard at half time.

France did have some unfortunate injuries (Brennan included) but they really lost their way when England starting exerting serious pressure

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Post by Cumbrian Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:33 pm

England team to face Scotland:

15 Orlando Bailey (Bath Rugby)
14 Deago Bailey (Bristol Rugby)
13 Jack Bates (Bristol Rugby)
12 Dan Lancaster (Leeds Tykes)
11 Arthur Relton (Exeter Chiefs)

10 Fin Smith (Worcester Warriors)
9 Jack van Poortvliet (Leicester Tigers) (Captain)

1 Phil Brantingham (Newcastle Falcons)
2 Sam Riley (Harlequins)
3 Harvey Kindell-Beaton (Saracens)
4 Ewan Richards (Bath Rugby)
5 Alex Groves (Bristol Bears)
6 Emeka Ilione (Leicester Tigers)
7 Lucas Brooke (London Irish)
8 Jack Clement (Gloucester Rugby)

Replacements
16 John Stewart (Bath Rugby)
17 Tarek Haffar (London Irish)
18 Luke Green (London Irish)
19 Arthur Clark (Gloucester Rugby)
20 Harry Taylor (Gloucester Rugby)
21 Nahum Merigan (Bath Rugby)
22 Raffi Quirke (Sale Sharks)
23 Tommy Mathews (unattached)
24 Phil Cokanasiga (London Irish)
25 Tom Litchfield (Northampton Saints)
26 Charlie Atkinson (Wasps)
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Post by formerly known as Sam Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:18 pm

JVP and Quirke, Atkinson and Smith. Talk about quality starting and on the bench at halfback.

Interesting to see they've gone for the beefy bench front row of last week to start this week. They certainly made an impact last week though that looked pre planned as they all took to the field not long after half time. Be interesting to see if they still tear it up from the start. 

Ilione is a bit of a monster bust has had exams and injury so hasn't managed to play on loan with Notts. Looked powerful and athletic off the bench last weekend. With the work horse Clement that's a good combination.

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Post by Margin_Walker Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:44 pm

Speaking of powerful and athletic. I see they've got Haffar on the bench. He's a bit of a freak on that front.

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Post by mikey_dragon Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:45 pm

The team for Ireland:
Wales Under-20s: Jacob Beetham (Cardiff); Dan John (Exeter Chiefs), Ioan Evans (Pontypridd), Joe Hawkins (Ospreys), Carrick McDonough (Dragons); Sam Costelow (Scarlets), Harri Williams (Scarlets); Garyn Phillips (Ospreys), Efan Daniel (Cardiff), Nathan Evans (Cardiff), Joe Peard (Dragons), Dafydd Jenkins (Exeter Chiefs), Alex Mann (Cardiff, capt), Harri Deaves (Ospreys), Carwyn Tuipulotu (Scarlets).

Replacements: Oliver Burrows (Exeter Chiefs), Theo Bevacqua (Cardiff), Lewys Jones (Nevers), James Fender (Ospreys), Ethan Lloyd (Cardiff Blues), Christ Tshiunza (Exeter Chiefs), Will Reed (Dragons), Tom Florence (Ospreys) Morgan Richards (Dragons/Pontypridd), Eddie James (Scarlets), Rhys Thomas (Ospreys).

Big strong pack, I haven't been impressed with the attack though.

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