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Post by TightHEAD Thu 15 Jul 2021, 11:41 am

First topic message reminder :

Smith Starts at 10


DHL STORMERS v THE BRITISH & IRISH LIONS

Stuart Hogg – captain (Exeter Chiefs, Scotland) #783
Josh Adams (Cardiff Rugby, Wales) #836
Elliot Daly (Saracens, England) #822
Robbie Henshaw (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #824
Duhan van der Merwe (Worcester Warriors, Scotland) #841
Marcus Smith (Harlequins, England)
Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors, Scotland) #843
Rory Sutherland (Worcester Warriors, Scotland) #840
Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, England) #851
Tadhg Furlong (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #818
Adam Beard (Ospreys, Wales) #852
Jonny Hill (Exeter Chiefs, England) #845
Tadhg Beirne (Munster Rugby, Ireland) #838
Hamish Watson (Edinburgh Rugby, Scotland) #847
Jack Conan (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #839

Replacements:

Jamie George (Saracens, England) #819
Mako Vunipola (Saracens, England) #787
Zander Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors, Scotland) #848
Alun Wyn Jones (Ospreys, Wales) #761
Sam Simmonds (Exeter Chiefs, England) #849
Gareth Davies (Scarlets, Wales) #850
Chris Harris (Gloucester Rugby, Scotland) #844
Louis Rees-Zammit (Gloucester Rugby, Wales) #846

Stormers

15 Sergeal Petersen, 14 Seabelo Senatla, 13 Rikus Pretorius, 12 Dan du Plessis, 11 Edwill van der Merwe, 10 Tim Swiel, 9 Godlen Masimla, 8 Evan Roos, 7 Johan du Toit, 6 Nama Xaba, 5 JD Schickerling, 4 Ernst van Rhyn (captain), 3 Neethling Fouche, 2 JJ Kotze, 1 Leon Lyons

Substitutes (from): 16 Andre-Hugo Venter, 17 Kwenzo Blose, 18 Sazi Sandi, 19 Justin Basson, 20 Marcel Theunissen, 21 Thomas Bursey, 22 Abner van Reenen, 23 Juan de Jongh, 24 Lee-Marvin Mazibuko, 25 Niel Otto, 26 Leolin Zas, 27 Cornel Smit


Saturday 17 July 2021

Cape Town Stadium, Cape Town

Kick-off: 5pm (BST)


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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 17 Jul 2021, 5:43 pm

Some interesting performances in the first half. A few people well out of reckoning putting their hands up. A few favourites playing pretty anonymously.

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Post by BigGee Sat 17 Jul 2021, 5:44 pm

Great try all round, great hands from Price, Beard and Hogg

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Post by BigGee Sat 17 Jul 2021, 5:47 pm

Adam Beard, Berne and LCD the standouts in that first half

Price and VDM have also done well

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 17 Jul 2021, 5:50 pm

Thought Hill has had an excellent first half as well BG. Really good at rucks.

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Post by Poorfour Sat 17 Jul 2021, 5:50 pm

Smith has barely had the ball in attack, but his rucking and tackling have been excellent
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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 17 Jul 2021, 5:51 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Price doesn't seem keen on passing to Smith so far. Think he's only had 3 touches.

Doesn't really look that settled when he has touched it. Pretty underwhelming from Smith so far but hopefully he'll grow into the game and show what he's all about in the second half.

Price has been excellent so far for the Lions and is the man pulling the strings. The flankers are a great combination and a cut above. Could easily be the starting 6 and 7 with Curry on the bench and Lawes covering lock and openside.

Stormers are proving a physical test but when the Lions have momentum they are opening them up.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 17 Jul 2021, 5:52 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Price doesn't seem keen on passing to Smith so far. Think he's only had 3 touches.

Doesn't really look that settled when he has touched it. Pretty underwhelming from Smith so far but hopefully he'll grow into the game and show what he's all about in the second half.

Price has been excellent so far for the Lions and is the man pulling the strings. The flankers are a great combination and a cut above. Could easily be the starting 6 and 7 with Curry on the bench and Lawes covering lock and openside.

Stormers are proving a physical test but when the Lions have momentum they are opening them up.

Really? Which decision or execution has been wrong?

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Post by Poorfour Sat 17 Jul 2021, 5:54 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Price doesn't seem keen on passing to Smith so far. Think he's only had 3 touches.

Doesn't really look that settled when he has touched it. Pretty underwhelming from Smith so far but hopefully he'll grow into the game and show what he's all about in the second half.

Price has been excellent so far for the Lions and is the man pulling the strings. The flankers are a great combination and a cut above. Could easily be the starting 6 and 7 with Curry on the bench and Lawes covering lock and openside.

Stormers are proving a physical test but when the Lions have momentum they are opening them up.

I disagree. He had one wobbly high ball - which he managed to knock back while being tackled, but the other few touches he’s had have been tidy. Bryan Habana seems to agree with me.
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Post by TJ Sat 17 Jul 2021, 5:56 pm

Price doesn't seem keen on passing to Smith so far. Think he's only had 3 touches.

I assume thats not automatically Prices decision? I know when Price plays with russell that Russell calls the shots and calls for the ball when he wants it

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 17 Jul 2021, 5:58 pm

TJ wrote:
Price doesn't seem keen on passing to Smith so far. Think he's only had 3 touches.

I assume thats not automatically Prices decision?  I know when Price plays with russell that Russell calls the shots and calls for the ball when he wants it

Given the amount of grief Farrell got for kicking shall we say its down to Price?

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Post by BigGee Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:02 pm

Tricky one for Beard there, he had to go down a long way!

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Post by The Oracle Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:04 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
TJ wrote:
Price doesn't seem keen on passing to Smith so far. Think he's only had 3 touches.

I assume thats not automatically Prices decision?  I know when Price plays with russell that Russell calls the shots and calls for the ball when he wants it

Given the amount of grief Farrell got for kicking shall we say its down to Price?


Or do the age old trick of blaming Gatland when the players don’t do exactly what you want them to do!
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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:06 pm

The Oracle wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
TJ wrote:
Price doesn't seem keen on passing to Smith so far. Think he's only had 3 touches.

I assume thats not automatically Prices decision?  I know when Price plays with russell that Russell calls the shots and calls for the ball when he wants it

Given the amount of grief Farrell got for kicking shall we say its down to Price?


Or do the age old trick of blaming Gatland when the players don’t do exactly what you want them to do!

You're saying he does have tactics or he doesn't? Which side you taking today?

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Post by The Oracle Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:07 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
TJ wrote:
Price doesn't seem keen on passing to Smith so far. Think he's only had 3 touches.

I assume thats not automatically Prices decision?  I know when Price plays with russell that Russell calls the shots and calls for the ball when he wants it

Given the amount of grief Farrell got for kicking shall we say its down to Price?


Or do the age old trick of blaming Gatland when the players don’t do exactly what you want them to do!

You're saying he does have tactics or he doesn't? Which side you taking today?

Of course the team has tactics laid out by the coaching team. A player playing sh*t isn’t automatically because the coach is making that player play sh*t.
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Post by TJ Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:08 pm

anyone understand the posts above?

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:09 pm

The Oracle wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
TJ wrote:
Price doesn't seem keen on passing to Smith so far. Think he's only had 3 touches.

I assume thats not automatically Prices decision?  I know when Price plays with russell that Russell calls the shots and calls for the ball when he wants it

Given the amount of grief Farrell got for kicking shall we say its down to Price?


Or do the age old trick of blaming Gatland when the players don’t do exactly what you want them to do!

You're saying he does have tactics or he doesn't? Which side you taking today?

Of course the team has tactics laid out by the coaching team. A player playing sh*t isn’t automatically because the coach is making that player play sh*t.

Ah. So we agree. Farrells kicking was coach led.

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Post by Poorfour Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:11 pm

And that, my friends, is what Smith can do given the chance in attack. That try was straight out of the Quins playbook.
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Post by BigGee Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:11 pm

Good try for Connan

Hogg and Price on either side if he had been tackled


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Post by The Oracle Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:12 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
TJ wrote:
Price doesn't seem keen on passing to Smith so far. Think he's only had 3 touches.

I assume thats not automatically Prices decision?  I know when Price plays with russell that Russell calls the shots and calls for the ball when he wants it

Given the amount of grief Farrell got for kicking shall we say its down to Price?


Or do the age old trick of blaming Gatland when the players don’t do exactly what you want them to do!

You're saying he does have tactics or he doesn't? Which side you taking today?

Of course the team has tactics laid out by the coaching team. A player playing sh*t isn’t automatically because the coach is making that player play sh*t.

Ah. So we agree. Farrells kicking was coach led.

No. I can guarantee you Gatland did not tell him to kick like a moron. That was all Farrell’s own doing.
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Post by TightHEAD Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:12 pm

How good is Smith!
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Post by TightHEAD Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:13 pm

Here he comes. Big test
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Post by BigGee Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:13 pm

AWJ about to enter the fray!

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:13 pm

The Oracle wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
TJ wrote:
Price doesn't seem keen on passing to Smith so far. Think he's only had 3 touches.

I assume thats not automatically Prices decision?  I know when Price plays with russell that Russell calls the shots and calls for the ball when he wants it

Given the amount of grief Farrell got for kicking shall we say its down to Price?


Or do the age old trick of blaming Gatland when the players don’t do exactly what you want them to do!

You're saying he does have tactics or he doesn't? Which side you taking today?

Of course the team has tactics laid out by the coaching team. A player playing sh*t isn’t automatically because the coach is making that player play sh*t.

Ah. So we agree. Farrells kicking was coach led.

No. I can guarantee you Gatland did not tell him to kick like a moron. That was all Farrell’s own doing.

He can't help it if the wings aren't up to the job.

Anyway let's all settle down and see how long Jones lasts this time.

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Post by BigGee Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:15 pm

Good start from the replacement front rows

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Post by The Oracle Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:15 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
TJ wrote:
Price doesn't seem keen on passing to Smith so far. Think he's only had 3 touches.

I assume thats not automatically Prices decision?  I know when Price plays with russell that Russell calls the shots and calls for the ball when he wants it

Given the amount of grief Farrell got for kicking shall we say its down to Price?


Or do the age old trick of blaming Gatland when the players don’t do exactly what you want them to do!

You're saying he does have tactics or he doesn't? Which side you taking today?

Of course the team has tactics laid out by the coaching team. A player playing sh*t isn’t automatically because the coach is making that player play sh*t.

Ah. So we agree. Farrells kicking was coach led.

No. I can guarantee you Gatland did not tell him to kick like a moron. That was all Farrell’s own doing.

He can't help it if the wings aren't up to the job.

Anyway let's all settle down and see how long Jones lasts this time.

The really sad this is that you would love him to get injured just so you can say to everyone ‘I told you so’! It’s so telegraphed! And anti-rugby.

Anyway, on with the game……
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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:17 pm

The Oracle wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
TJ wrote:
Price doesn't seem keen on passing to Smith so far. Think he's only had 3 touches.

I assume thats not automatically Prices decision?  I know when Price plays with russell that Russell calls the shots and calls for the ball when he wants it

Given the amount of grief Farrell got for kicking shall we say its down to Price?


Or do the age old trick of blaming Gatland when the players don’t do exactly what you want them to do!

You're saying he does have tactics or he doesn't? Which side you taking today?

Of course the team has tactics laid out by the coaching team. A player playing sh*t isn’t automatically because the coach is making that player play sh*t.

Ah. So we agree. Farrells kicking was coach led.

No. I can guarantee you Gatland did not tell him to kick like a moron. That was all Farrell’s own doing.

He can't help it if the wings aren't up to the job.

Anyway let's all settle down and see how long Jones lasts this time.

The really sad this is that you would love him to get injured just so you can say to everyone ‘I told you so’! It’s so telegraphed! And anti-rugby.

Anyway, on with the game……

Well it would benefit the team.

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Post by Poorfour Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:18 pm

Breaking news: Daniel Day Lewis to come out of retirement to play Alun Wyn Jones in My Left Shoulder
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Post by Cyril Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:20 pm

This has to be the least ‘we’re all in with Lions’ together tour on the forums (and I’m including old Beeb 606). Come on folks! Smile

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Post by Poorfour Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:21 pm

Lions forwards not covering themselves in glory at the moment
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Post by TJ Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:25 pm

It would help if the usual trolls stopped trolling all the time. Usual false accusations and paranoia. wrecks these boards. We all know who they are. Idiots

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Post by Old Man Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:25 pm

At least two forward passes in that try

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Post by Pot Hale Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:25 pm

Tadgh Beirne player of the match for me. So far.
Cowan Dickie a close second - great player.
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Post by BigGee Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:26 pm

Stormers are tired now, good try

Or was it?

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Post by BigGee Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:27 pm

Sorry Duhan, that was forward!

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Post by The Oracle Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:27 pm

Sorry guys. Just can’t stand people willing players to get injured. It’s just wrong. I’ll stop commenting.
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Post by Heaf Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:28 pm

Nigel made a mistake though - he called advantage over AFTER the forward pass so should have gone back to the pen ...

sorry meant Wayne - Nigel confused it by answering the wrong question asked by Brian


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Post by BigGee Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:29 pm

That's what Chris Harris brings. dominant tackles!

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Post by Duty281 Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:29 pm

Heaf wrote:Nigel made a mistake though - he called advantage over AFTER the forward pass so should have gone back to the pen ...

Barnes didn't fancy running all that way back.

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Post by Old Man Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:29 pm

Stormers have been decent in ball retention, but they just don’t have anyone that can really puncha hole and het them on the gain line

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Post by Pot Hale Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:32 pm

Davies picking up the pace a lot at SH. Seems better suited to playing with Smith. Price is a bit pedestrian.
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Post by BigGee Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:33 pm

Zander has been busy since he has come on, probably the third TH as things stand, but he would not let the team down if he was picked

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Post by Pot Hale Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:34 pm

BigGee wrote:Zander has been busy since he has come on, probably the third TH as things stand, but he would not let the team down if he was picked

Agreed. He’s been better in this showing so far. Good to see him score too.
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Post by doctor_grey Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:34 pm

Excuses mes amis. C'est de la merde.

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Post by Cyril Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:36 pm

A real worry that these warmup games are not high level enough.

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Post by Pot Hale Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:37 pm

doctor_grey wrote:Excuses mes amis. C'est de la merde.

You’re excused. If nature calls, you have to obey.
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Post by doctor_grey Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:39 pm

Pot Hale wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:Excuses mes amis. C'est de la merde.

You’re excused.  If nature calls, you have to obey.
merci, mon ami.

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Post by BigGee Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:40 pm

Marcus Smith showing his talents and well finished by LRZ

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Post by TJ Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:41 pm

Pot Hale wrote:Davies picking up the pace a lot at SH.  Seems better suited to playing with Smith.  Price is a bit pedestrian.  

Eh? Davis is soooooooooooooooooo much slower than price

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Post by Pot Hale Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:41 pm

Try made and well executed by Smith. He’s been more inventive than any of the three so far.
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Post by Pot Hale Sat 17 Jul 2021, 6:43 pm

TJ wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:Davies picking up the pace a lot at SH.  Seems better suited to playing with Smith.  Price is a bit pedestrian.  

Eh?  Davis is soooooooooooooooooo much slower than price

He’s still pedestrian in his play. Davies much more alert to opportunities.
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