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Post by Rugby Fan Wed 04 Aug 2021, 2:15 pm

First topic message reminder :

Wallabies coach Dave Rennie says a good portion of his squad is “pretty angry” at the behaviour of winger Marika Koroibete, back-rower Isi Naisarani and prop Pone Fa’amausili after a late night drinking session resulted in the trio being stood down for Saturday’s Bledisloe Cup opener against the All Blacks.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/three-wallabies-dropped-from-bledisloe-opener-after-drinking-session-20210804-p58fw0.html

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Post by RDW Sat 11 Sep 2021, 7:37 am

So are we going to start see fullbacks Kung Fu kicking now instead of just putting the knee up when they go and catch the ball?

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 11 Sep 2021, 7:54 am

If they want to risk red cards they will.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 11 Sep 2021, 8:59 am

RDW wrote:So are we going to start see fullbacks Kung Fu kicking now instead of just putting the knee up when they go and catch the ball?

Shock a big name NZ player is let off his suspension in the middle of an international tournament with strict Covid bubbles. Come on don't tell me you didn't see that one coming?

The citing process is about as reliable and consistent as a politician. Anyone raising their boot very much runs the risk of anything from just a penalty to a 6 week ban.

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Post by ebop Sat 11 Sep 2021, 9:19 am

People have raised other examples of a catcher kicking out in the air and receiving red cards, who are the examples? Tried tracking down the Adam Hastings one but couldn’t find anything.
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Post by ebop Sat 11 Sep 2021, 9:24 am

RDW wrote:So are we going to start see fullbacks Kung Fu kicking now instead of just putting the knee up when they go and catch the ball?
Doubt it, Jordie was let off because his leg extended in an instinctive biomechanical move ‘whilst in the air’ to correct his balance and was not made to kick a player or warn them off from tackling him.
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Post by BigGee Sat 11 Sep 2021, 9:43 am

ebop wrote:People have raised other examples of a catcher kicking out in the air and receiving red cards, who are the examples? Tried tracking down the Adam Hastings one but couldn’t find anything.


https://www.rugbydump.com/news/nasty-boot-to-the-face-results-in-red-card-for-adam-hastings/


Here it is, it looks pretty similar to me!


There is also one around for Paolo Odogwu, who got 6 weeks for his, which again, was no better or worse than what Barrett did.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 11 Sep 2021, 10:31 am

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RDW wrote:So are we going to start see fullbacks Kung Fu kicking now instead of just putting the knee up when they go and catch the ball?

Shock a big name NZ player is let off his suspension in the middle of an international tournament with strict Covid bubbles. Come on don't tell me you didn't see that one coming?

The citing process is about as reliable and consistent as a politician. Anyone raising their boot very much runs the risk of anything from just a penalty to a 6 week ban.

You cynic!

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Post by ebop Sat 11 Sep 2021, 10:38 am

Seems the NH disciplinary panels don’t accept the ‘he only did it to keep his balance’ argument. But it seems the SH one did, in this instance, along with a long list of current players and ex-players around the world that saw the footage and agreed with the outcome, ah well.
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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 11 Sep 2021, 11:16 am

I think he did it to keep his balance too. Clear red card.

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Post by BigGee Sat 11 Sep 2021, 11:26 am

If you allow that, then it won't be long before coaches are telling players to jump up like that with their foot out to allow them to take the ball cleanly.

I don't think any of them meant to kick the other players, but it was a consequence of a mistimed jump. As with all of the unintended things that go on in the rugby field that are unintended but nevertheless dangerous, they have got to be penalised. It is the only way you will get rid of them.

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Post by ebop Sat 11 Sep 2021, 1:55 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:I think he did it to keep his balance too. Clear red card.
Yeah, he kicked his leg out to correct his balance and therefore it wasn’t a reckless act. That’s what the judicial committee decided and is why the red card will be wiped from his record. I’m glad he made that instinctive decision and didn’t land on his head and also that Koroibete wasn’t hurt in the process.


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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 11 Sep 2021, 2:00 pm

Yeah. Definite red.

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Post by ebop Sat 11 Sep 2021, 2:02 pm

Nah, you see, the judiciary ruled otherwise so the referee and TMO got it wrong. They’d know.
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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 11 Sep 2021, 2:12 pm

I don't think you know what a judiciary is.

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Post by ebop Sat 11 Sep 2021, 2:20 pm

What would you call the SANZAAR ‘judiciary’ panel? It’s what they’re called sorry to inform you.
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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 11 Sep 2021, 2:27 pm

Oh sorry. I take it back. SANZAAR don't know what a judiciary panel is.

They really are in a mess down there.

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Post by ebop Sat 11 Sep 2021, 2:32 pm

That’s ok, at least you admit your ignorance. Do you think maybe the equivalents up north got it wrong with all the similar incidents given all the NH players and ex-players that have backed the Jordie Barrett decision?
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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 11 Sep 2021, 2:43 pm

My ignorance of their mistake yes.

No in the North we've seen the refs etc call it correctly. Saw the ref get it right here too. There's always the odd error and I'm sure the teams will be being informed they can't do it without seeing further reds.

At least they should be. Sometime you see unions putting pressure to relax the laws.


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Post by lostinwales Sat 11 Sep 2021, 2:43 pm

Wasn't it Lee Byrne who did something similar vs Scotland? I can't remember if the guy who 'ran into his foot' got a yellow or if it was just a penalty

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Post by ebop Sat 11 Sep 2021, 2:47 pm

Really, the tackler got pinged? Maybe the players that rush in to pummel the catcher the millisecond they land should have to consider the consequences of getting too close to a player in the air that might be adjusting their body so they don’t land on their head. Seems a fair enough request.
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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 11 Sep 2021, 2:54 pm

So no challenge in the air or allowed to tackle. Not sure that'll catch on.

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Post by ebop Sat 11 Sep 2021, 2:55 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:My ignorance of their mistake yes
Who are you, Susie Dent?
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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 11 Sep 2021, 2:57 pm

No.

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Post by aucklandlaurie Sat 11 Sep 2021, 6:56 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:My ignorance of their mistake yes.

No in the North we've seen the refs etc call it correctly. Saw the ref get it right here too. There's always the odd error and I'm sure the teams will be being informed they can't do it without seeing further reds.

At least they should be. Sometime you see unions putting pressure to relax the laws.


People in "the North" should be applauding and thanking New Zealand/the All Blacks for standing up to for the game of rugby and players everywhere, by using logic they have demonstrated to the Judiciary that some of the Rugby laws are flawed and do not cover every possible situation that arises in a game of Rugby union. bad laws should not be relaxed, they should be repealed or amended.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 11 Sep 2021, 8:58 pm

Ah glad you admit the law was broken here. Good to hear.

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Post by RDW Sun 12 Sep 2021, 8:58 am

Yes it was accidental, but I'm not really buying how "he was overbalanced" is justification for anything here. That basically means his mistiming and poor technique resulted in a boot to the face. There was no interference, no one causing him to be off balance - it was entirely of his own making.


I fully agree that rugby is currently struggling to find the balance between player welfare and ultimately accepting that it is a dangerous sport and accidents do happen, but we can't have scenarios where defending players are at risk of running face first into a boot! It was probably close to a stud connecting to an eye which could have been catastrophic, so given the potential consequence of these type of things I'm all for a hard-line approach. And ultimately better technique from JB would have prevented this - it's not like there was nothing he could have done like some accidental reds.

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Post by RDW Sun 12 Sep 2021, 11:07 am

https://www.606v2.com/t70371-rugby-championship-2021#3999399

Quick rugby championship thread thrown together

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