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Post by neilthom7 Wed 06 Oct 2021, 9:03 pm

First topic message reminder :

It's almost time for round 3 of the URC 2021/2022 season, some real interesting games this weekend, that Benneton v Ulster game could be fantastic.

Heres the games list (all times BST)

Ulster v Benetton- Friday 08/10/2021- 7:35pm- BBC NI, TG4, Premier Sports
Ospreys v Cell C Sharks- Friday 08/10/2021- 7.35pm- BBC Wales, SuperSport, Premier Sports

Leinster v Zebre - Saturday 09/10/2021- 1pm- RTÉ 2, Mediaset, Premier Sports
Glasgow Warriors v Emirates Lions- Saturday 09/10/2021- 3:05pm- Premier Sports, SuperSport
Connacht v Dragons- Saturday 09/10/2021- 5:15pm- TG4, S4C, Premier Sports
Edinburgh v DHL Stormers- Saturday 09/10/2021- 5:15pm- Premier Sports, SuperSport
Cardiff v Vodacom Bulls- Saturday 09/10/2021- 7:35pm- S4C, SuperSport, Premier Sports

Scarlets v Munster- Sunday 10/10/2021- 2pm- S4C, RTÉ 2, Premier Sports

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Post by Old Man Sat 09 Oct 2021, 7:53 pm

It would be nice if the European teamms are also penalised when they seal lff at the ruck.

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Post by Old Man Sat 09 Oct 2021, 8:01 pm

Well the Bulls aren't going to win many matches with the amount of penalties they concede.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 09 Oct 2021, 8:08 pm

Old Man wrote:It would be nice if the European teamms are also penalised when they seal lff at the ruck.

Could be a beneficial thing for rugby in general if SA were dragged into the same interpretation as the Europe. May force NZ and Aus to get on board too.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 09 Oct 2021, 8:12 pm

Bulls are a good team, but it is surprising how one-dimensional and error-strewn they are. It’s just like watching the Ospreys…

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Post by Old Man Sat 09 Oct 2021, 8:12 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
Old Man wrote:It would be nice if the European teamms are also penalised when they seal lff at the ruck.

Could be a beneficial thing for rugby in general if SA were dragged into the same interpretation as the Europe. May force NZ and Aus to get on board too.

No doubt, but there needs to be consistency too, the SA teams have been murdered in the breakdown, but it feels these penalties are only going one way.

If the referees are being strict on SA teams, they also need to be strict on European teams

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Post by Old Man Sat 09 Oct 2021, 8:16 pm

The fact is if you take the breakdown away from any team they can't play rugby.

Staying on your feet when you steel a ball means you can't hinge, but the European team regulalry get away with it, also on attack they have two or three players "driving" over the ruck, not staying on their feet, but they also get away with it.

So if you tell us these are the way laws are interpreted, then at least officiate it that way both ways.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 09 Oct 2021, 8:18 pm

They’re already talking about Priestland… he’s not international quality and neither is Turnbull.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 09 Oct 2021, 8:24 pm

Old Man wrote:The fact is if you take the breakdown away from any team they can't play rugby.

Staying on your feet when you steel a ball means you can't hinge, but the European team regulalry get away with it, also on attack they have two or three players "driving" over the ruck, not staying on their feet, but they also get away with it.

So if you tell us these are the way laws are interpreted, then at least officiate it that way both ways.

Flicking between this and the footy on itv so can't confidently comment on this.

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Post by profitius Sat 09 Oct 2021, 8:46 pm

Good start to the half fir bulls. They need to cut out some of those ridiculous penalties though.
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Post by Brendan Sat 09 Oct 2021, 8:50 pm

Still looks like I could be wrong

Bulls just don't seem to learning how to paint the right picture for the ref, not sure if it's the players or the coaches that are struggling with it.

The other three have all stepped up and getting to grips with the refs and teams but Bulls seems to be slow learners.

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sat 09 Oct 2021, 8:55 pm

Brendan wrote:Still looks like I could be wrong

Bulls just don't seem to learning how to paint the right picture for the ref, not sure if it's the players or the coaches that are struggling with it.

The other three have all stepped up and getting to grips with the refs and teams but Bulls seems to be slow learners.
There's also the fact that they've just been simply cr@p so far too. Stormers look impressive though.

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Post by Brendan Sat 09 Oct 2021, 9:02 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:
Brendan wrote:Still looks like I could be wrong

Bulls just don't seem to learning how to paint the right picture for the ref, not sure if it's the players or the coaches that are struggling with it.

The other three have all stepped up and getting to grips with the refs and teams but Bulls seems to be slow learners.
There's also the fact that they've just been simply cr@p so far too. Stormers look impressive though.

Sharks, Stormers and even Lions (other than handling errors) all improved this week but Bulls seem to be just as lost as they did in Italy end of last season v Benetton.

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Post by Old Man Sat 09 Oct 2021, 9:08 pm

Bulls get a ruck penalty awarded, at last Yahoo

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Post by Old Man Sat 09 Oct 2021, 9:10 pm

And immediately concede one

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Post by Old Man Sat 09 Oct 2021, 9:20 pm

Things are turning around for the Bulls, another steal at the breakdown

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Post by Old Man Sat 09 Oct 2021, 9:22 pm

And then they concede one

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Post by Old Man Sat 09 Oct 2021, 9:26 pm

Can someone expalin the law on mauls where the defending team literally has half their lineout swing around to the back of the opponent maul?

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 09 Oct 2021, 9:28 pm

Old Man wrote:Can someone expalin the law on mauls where the defending team literally has half their lineout swing around to the back of the opponent maul?

Keep the same bind and you're fine.you can't change bind.

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Post by Old Man Sat 09 Oct 2021, 9:30 pm

What happpened to when you are behind the maul you are offside?

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 09 Oct 2021, 9:31 pm

Old Man wrote:What happpened to when you are behind the maul you are offside?

Never heard of the law tbh.

Just checked and there's no such law.

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Post by Old Man Sat 09 Oct 2021, 9:34 pm

Not long ago the referee would tell you to go back.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 09 Oct 2021, 9:35 pm

Old Man wrote:Not long ago the referee would tell you to go back.

Only if they deemed you joining from the side or changing bind.

Strictly speaking they could give a pen against either instead of warning too.

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Post by profitius Sat 09 Oct 2021, 9:37 pm

Huge second half from the bulls. They stopped conceding penalties and dominated.


Good week for SA sides.
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Post by Old Man Sat 09 Oct 2021, 9:41 pm

Lions will count themselves very unlucky, Glasgow's try was never a try, how there was so little investigation by the TMO is an absolute mystery, had he looked at it from more than just one angle he would have clearly seen the ball was never grounded behind or on the line.

Other than that better performance from SA teams.

Bulls need to seriously get to grips with the breakdown.

Lions are playing better than expected with very few big names, their handling needs work.

Stormers came back well after being two tries down.

Sharks did the job, but they also conceded a lot of penalties in the first quarter.

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Post by Brendan Sat 09 Oct 2021, 9:46 pm

Bulls don't get the BP but they get up and running.

It's tight in the middle of the table with so many teams turning over each other.

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Post by Old Man Sat 09 Oct 2021, 9:54 pm

So far 7/23 away wins, and one draw.

If Munster win away to Scarlets then 33% of away matches have been won, that is a decent percentage.

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Post by Brendan Sat 09 Oct 2021, 10:01 pm

Not so sure Munster will win.

The younger kids are hungry and will give a good account of themselves but they have definitely put the focus on Connacht next week.

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sat 09 Oct 2021, 10:14 pm

Brendan wrote:Not so sure Munster will win.

The younger kids are hungry and will give a good account of themselves but they have definitely put the focus on Connacht next week.
It would be a massive upset if Munster won. I'd be worried about Scarlets for the rest of the season if they don't put that side away.

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Post by The Oracle Sat 09 Oct 2021, 10:27 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:
Brendan wrote:Not so sure Munster will win.

The younger kids are hungry and will give a good account of themselves but they have definitely put the focus on Connacht next week.
It would be a massive upset if Munster won. I'd be worried about Scarlets for the rest of the season if they don't put that side away.

Yeah, Scarlets have 4 Lions back tomorrow too: Wyn Jones, Gareth Davies, Liam Williams and Ken the Sheriff. Not sure if that helps (could be rusty) but sounds like Munster are going the other way and resting the top players so I would like to think Scarlets could/should win at home. They’ve got around 10 internationals in the starting line up. 4 or 5 on the bench too.
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Post by Brendan Sat 09 Oct 2021, 11:02 pm

The Oracle wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:
Brendan wrote:Not so sure Munster will win.

The younger kids are hungry and will give a good account of themselves but they have definitely put the focus on Connacht next week.
It would be a massive upset if Munster won. I'd be worried about Scarlets for the rest of the season if they don't put that side away.

Yeah, Scarlets have 4 Lions back tomorrow too: Wyn Jones, Gareth Davies, Liam Williams and Ken the Sheriff.  Not sure if that helps (could be rusty) but sounds like Munster are going the other way and resting the top players so I would like to think Scarlets could/should win at home.  They’ve got around 10 internationals in the starting line up.  4 or 5 on the bench too.

This weekend many of the returning players have looked poor, but I think even without their stars the Scarlets would be strong.

It will be a good test to see how good this Munster squad is. Can't understand why RG and Zebo didn't go to settle the pack and backs. It's not like the two of them have been overplayed in the first two matches.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sun 10 Oct 2021, 7:57 am

Well I haven’t seen the Munster lineup, not sure why they’d make a lot of changes if they have done that. I’m not convinced Scarlets will put them to the sword anyway, they haven’t been very convincing.

Stellar signing in Lloyd Ashley mind…

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Post by profitius Sun 10 Oct 2021, 10:35 am

Yeah Scarlets should win this one. Munster throwing too many young players on at once. Big test for Healy.
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Post by mikey_dragon Sun 10 Oct 2021, 4:17 pm

Welsh rugby is pretty shocking right now. It doesn’t bode well for the autumn.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sun 10 Oct 2021, 4:32 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:
Brendan wrote:Not so sure Munster will win.

The younger kids are hungry and will give a good account of themselves but they have definitely put the focus on Connacht next week.
It would be a massive upset if Munster won. I'd be worried about Scarlets for the rest of the season if they don't put that side away.

If you’re very worried then I wonder how all their fans feel…

We knew Peel had a job on his hands, I guess we underestimated how big a job it would be. I think they would have been okay had Brad Mooar stayed put.

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Post by The Oracle Sun 10 Oct 2021, 4:34 pm

What the hell?! Scarlets, what happened?! Only seen the score line!

If scarlets get thumped at home against Munster’s 2nd or 3rd choice players, what chance they can do anything of note in the league this season? Terrible result. But of course, hats off to Munster clap


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Post by The Oracle Sun 10 Oct 2021, 4:36 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Welsh rugby is pretty shocking right now. It doesn’t bode well for the autumn.

Yep, when Dragons arguably put in the best performance of the weekend you’ve really got to start to wonder what’s going on. Going to be a long miserable season for the Welsh regions (again) Sad
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Post by mikey_dragon Sun 10 Oct 2021, 4:40 pm

Yeah Munster were very good, fair play to them. Too bad for Snyman, he’s been unlucky with injuries since arriving.

I’ll just get this out there before anyone else does… I thought the ref was another shocker. The return of Scottish refs…

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Post by Old Man Sun 10 Oct 2021, 4:46 pm

Was Snyman injured again?

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Post by The Oracle Sun 10 Oct 2021, 5:16 pm

Yep, a few minutes after coming on as a sub apparently Sad
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Post by RiscaGame Sun 10 Oct 2021, 5:29 pm

The ref was pretty weak. Imagine being overruled by the idiot Neil Paterson for the one try. Thankfully he semi redeemed himself by sticking to his decision for the deliberate knock on.

Scarlets were shocking. The only player who half turned up was Jonny Williams. There’s no real shame in losing to a hungry side, as a lot of those second choice players would be, but they shouldn’t be losing at home, in that manner.

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Post by RiscaGame Sun 10 Oct 2021, 5:32 pm

Just saw that Snyman’s injury is reported as significant. That’s a shame. Awful luck.

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Post by Pot Hale Sun 10 Oct 2021, 9:15 pm

Jack O'Donoghue is on fire currently, and I liked the look of Jack O'Sullivan at 8. Liam Coombs also caught the eye. And boy does Calvin Nash have a turn of speed. Munster turning out some possible pearlers from their academy - great to see.
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Post by Old Man Mon 11 Oct 2021, 7:44 am

Great to see the Sharks were in attendance for the Bulls match. 

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Post by mikey_dragon Mon 11 Oct 2021, 9:42 am

Old Man wrote:Great to see the Sharks were in attendance for the Bulls match. 

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Yeah I seen that. They'll be pretty confident about beating Cardiff based on that as well.

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Post by mikey_dragon Mon 11 Oct 2021, 9:43 am

Pot Hale wrote:Jack O'Donoghue is on fire currently, and I liked the look of Jack O'Sullivan at 8.   Liam Coombs also caught the eye.  And boy does Calvin Nash have a turn of speed.  Munster turning out some possible pearlers from their academy - great to see.

They're producing some good forwards I've noticed, especailly back-row forwards. The new boy at lock (Ahern?) also looked decent. There were some good players in the Munster pack and replacements, but what does the actual first choice pack look like?

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 11 Oct 2021, 11:14 am

I haven't been on these boards for a while, but can I just say what a good idea it is to have a dedicated thread per round - good work neilthom7 clap

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Post by Old Man Mon 11 Oct 2021, 11:45 am

Great to see how much rugby still means to Bismarck du Plessis.

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Post by mikey_dragon Mon 11 Oct 2021, 12:04 pm

Old Man wrote:Great to see how much rugby still means to Bismarck du Plessis.

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At 37 he's still pretty good!

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Post by Old Man Mon 11 Oct 2021, 12:05 pm

Yeah, he had a good game on the weekend

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Post by Brendan Mon 11 Oct 2021, 1:46 pm

Scarlets had a similar result v Sale last year when all their players came back straight into the team.

Not sure if the internationals don't get going or if the other players just assume the internationals will get them across.

If it happens again it's more than just a coincidence.

Munster's Locks and backrow is very compeditive as is the half backs and centres when everyone is fit.  Overall have most positions covered with two good players and should be able to do horses for courses.

Healy isn't flashy but he does the basics well and that boot gets you playing in the right part of field.  It's good to see especially with Carbery not exactly playing well.

But as always 3 key dates matter
26/12 Home v Leinster
02/04 Away v Leinster
23/04 Away v Ulster

Those last 2 games along with Ulster v Sharks and Ulster v Leinster could have a big say in the order of the top 4. And Munster will probably come up short in the Semis against one of the other three.

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