Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
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Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
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Scotland vs South Africa
1pm, Saturday 13th November 2021
Amazon Prime
BT Murrayfield Stadium
Edinburgh
Ref: Angus Gardner (Aus)
Not sure what to expect from Scotland as injuries could put a bit of pressure on the pack selections. Skinner was good against Australia and our alternatives are recalling a recalcitrant R Gray, starting a very green Hodgson or asking for 60 minutes from Cummings off an injury. Whilst Ashman got plaudits for his try and grew into the game, he also made some basic errors that can't be made against T1 sides and losing Turner would leave us choosing between him and a relatively undercooked McInally. In the backs, Steyn will likely come into the starters after a decent cameo but some analysis will be needed on how to create line-breaks against a strong rush defensive centre pairing of De Allende - Am.
For South Africa, the team is likely the same 23 as vs Wales, only possible changes could be Nkosi has sorted out his passport issues and will be back in the mix, and Fassi might come in for Willemse who failed an HIA. As for Bok tactics, it is very simple and there is nothing sinister or mysterious about it. If you look at their complete arsenal of attack, it is mauls, exploiting penalty advantage, counter, grubber kicks in the 22 and kick pass. The biggest weakness of the Boks is their predictable phase attack, they don't offload, they don't pass much, they don't really run angles to expose weak shoulders and they don't change the point of contact.
Scotland
Schoeman - McInally - Z Fagerson (Bhatti - Ashman - Kebble)
Skinner - Gilchrist (Hodgson)
Haining - M Fagerson - Ritchie (Watson)
Price - Russell (G Horne - Hastings)
Scott - Harris
DVDM - Hogg - McClean (Kinghorn)
South Africa
Nche - Mbonambi - Nyakane (Kitsoff - Marx - Koch)
Etzebeth - Mostert (De Jager)
Kolisi - Vermeulen - Smith (Wiese)
Jantjies - Jantjies (Reiach - Pollard)
De Allende - Am
Mapimpi - Le Roux - Kriel (Steyn)
Scotland vs South Africa
1pm, Saturday 13th November 2021
Amazon Prime
BT Murrayfield Stadium
Edinburgh
Ref: Angus Gardner (Aus)
Not sure what to expect from Scotland as injuries could put a bit of pressure on the pack selections. Skinner was good against Australia and our alternatives are recalling a recalcitrant R Gray, starting a very green Hodgson or asking for 60 minutes from Cummings off an injury. Whilst Ashman got plaudits for his try and grew into the game, he also made some basic errors that can't be made against T1 sides and losing Turner would leave us choosing between him and a relatively undercooked McInally. In the backs, Steyn will likely come into the starters after a decent cameo but some analysis will be needed on how to create line-breaks against a strong rush defensive centre pairing of De Allende - Am.
For South Africa, the team is likely the same 23 as vs Wales, only possible changes could be Nkosi has sorted out his passport issues and will be back in the mix, and Fassi might come in for Willemse who failed an HIA. As for Bok tactics, it is very simple and there is nothing sinister or mysterious about it. If you look at their complete arsenal of attack, it is mauls, exploiting penalty advantage, counter, grubber kicks in the 22 and kick pass. The biggest weakness of the Boks is their predictable phase attack, they don't offload, they don't pass much, they don't really run angles to expose weak shoulders and they don't change the point of contact.
Scotland
Schoeman - McInally - Z Fagerson (Bhatti - Ashman - Kebble)
Skinner - Gilchrist (Hodgson)
Haining - M Fagerson - Ritchie (Watson)
Price - Russell (G Horne - Hastings)
Scott - Harris
DVDM - Hogg - McClean (Kinghorn)
South Africa
Nche - Mbonambi - Nyakane (Kitsoff - Marx - Koch)
Etzebeth - Mostert (De Jager)
Kolisi - Vermeulen - Smith (Wiese)
Jantjies - Jantjies (Reiach - Pollard)
De Allende - Am
Mapimpi - Le Roux - Kriel (Steyn)
Last edited by Hazel Sapling on Thu 11 Nov 2021, 1:19 pm; edited 3 times in total
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
And the bomb squad hasn’t even come on yet
Ouch
Ouch
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
SA scrum is terrifyingly good!
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
I thought Ritchie was on the ball there, bit unlucky
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
We really need to get hands on the balll
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
Double stinker from Finn there
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
Well that’s 60 seconds of rugby Finn will want to forget
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
Finn needs to switch his brain on fairly sharpish
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
Good try SA, that was coming from sloppy play from Scotland
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
BigGee wrote:Good try SA, that was coming from sloppy play from Scotland
It came off the back of 4 Scottish errors. 3 of which were Finn who is not having a good game by any means
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
Well, we need to sort out the scrum PDQ.
Also we need to hold onto the ball for a little bit longer.
Also we need to hold onto the ball for a little bit longer.
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
Get Finn off
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
They probably need to have a good look at this one!
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Well. Good luck in that mess mr TMO
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
I think this is ok!
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
Good try but I am not sure about the forward pass or the deliberate knock on from the SA player
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
10-8 Scotland
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Well played Chris Harris for keeping the ball in play
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
How much ground does Harris cover every game?
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
Well the first 30 mins were pretty dull to watch unless you like constant scrums and line-outs but the last 10 have been much more entertaining ...
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
that was a bit bonkers to change the front row then and then one of them gives a way a penalty
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Oh, that's a bad miss
10-8 at HT
10-8 at HT
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No knock on, as he he knocked it back towards his own try line (and helped create the try)lostinwales wrote:Good try but I am not sure about the forward pass or the deliberate knock on from the SA player
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
We need to get rid of the Jantjies combination, they have been terrible. Willie also just not big enough or strong enough.
Boks are completely mindless on attack, no innovation at all.
Boks are completely mindless on attack, no innovation at all.
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
What’s the thoughts so far?
It’s looking like men against boys to me.
Some of our guys really need to step up here
It’s looking like men against boys to me.
Some of our guys really need to step up here
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
Just turning the match on now. Looks like a good tight match. Saw replays of the two tries and that was some play. Did Jantjies, the Bok 9, touch the ball in the final buildup to the Scotland score?
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Our game management is also very poor, how many kicks at goal did we shun in that first 15 minutes?
If the maul isn't working then do something different.
Nienaber has taken the bok rugby backwards.
We aren't scoring tries and his selections are shyte
If the maul isn't working then do something different.
Nienaber has taken the bok rugby backwards.
We aren't scoring tries and his selections are shyte
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
Totally baffled by the front row changes. However, I can't remember ever seeing Ragnar lifted off his feet in a scrum.
South Africa love to flood the 13 channel in defence: it'll be interesting to see if Dancer's kicks make them hold back a little.
A very tense match. Maybe not one for the neutral but I'm loving it.
South Africa love to flood the 13 channel in defence: it'll be interesting to see if Dancer's kicks make them hold back a little.
A very tense match. Maybe not one for the neutral but I'm loving it.
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doctor_grey wrote:Just turning the match on now. Looks like a good tight match. Saw replays of the two tries and that was some play. Did Jantjies, the Bok 9, touch the ball in the final buildup to the Scotland score?
Yeah he knocked it back.
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
Reinach and Pollard would make such a difference
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
Aa Reinach is on
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
This will take it to two scores!
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
Anyone order a penalty?
Honking discipline
Honking discipline
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
21-10 SA
This game is rapidly going away from us and it is pretty much our own fault
This game is rapidly going away from us and it is pretty much our own fault
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
Hogg wasn’t passing that eh
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You were saying???BigGee wrote:21-10 SA
This game is rapidly going away from us and it is pretty much our own fault
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
That was a much better try,
VDM is so much more than a battering ram these days
VDM is so much more than a battering ram these days
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
Finn's left a lot of points out there today
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It’s not gonna be a game anyone wants to use as a training video.
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
Great turnover at the lineout by the Boks. Though seems not a great idea to throw to the tail.
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Two spilled lineouts!
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doctor_grey wrote:Great turnover at the lineout by the Boks. Though seems not a great idea to throw to the tail.
Not the most sympathetic call for a brand new hooker.
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
BigGee wrote:Two spilled lineouts!
We’re doing an excellent job of foot shooting today.
We’re just not playing with the top 2 inches
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That's Kok's third penalty
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tigertattie wrote:BigGee wrote:Two spilled lineouts!
We’re doing an excellent job of foot shooting today.
We’re just not playing with the top 2 inches
Neither is Koch.
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True. Seemed a bit odd to me.No 7&1/2 wrote:doctor_grey wrote:Great turnover at the lineout by the Boks. Though seems not a great idea to throw to the tail.
Not the most sympathetic call for a brand new hooker.
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
Our set piece has cost us this match, the only surprising thing is how close we have kept it
That's us back out to 2 scores again though now
That's us back out to 2 scores again though now
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Getting bullied out of the game now. Lineout a total disaster too
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Absolutely mullered at the breakdown.
SA are just winning the collision and are getting the easy ride of it.
It’s partly impressive by SA but also woeful from Scotland
SA are just winning the collision and are getting the easy ride of it.
It’s partly impressive by SA but also woeful from Scotland
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Re: Scotland vs South Africa, 13th November 2021
Skinner has had a good game for us, one of our better players today
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We’re awful. Truly awful
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