England Autumn Internationals - MARK II

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England squad for autumn Tests:

Forwards: Jamie Blamire (Newcastle), Callum Chick (Newcastle), Jamie George (Saracens), Tom Curry (Sale), Trevor Davison (Newcastle), Nic Dolly (Leicester), Alex Dombrandt (Harlequins), Charlie Ewels (Bath), Ellis Genge (Leicester), Jonny Hill (Exeter), Maro Itoje (Saracens), Courtney Lawes (Northampton), Lewis Ludlam (Northampton), Joe Marler (Harlequins), George Martin (Leicester), Sam Simmonds (Exeter), Kyle Sinckler (Bristol), Will Stuart (Bath), Sam Underhill (Bath)

Backs: Mark Atkinson (Gloucester), Owen Farrell (Saracens), Tommy Freeman (Northampton), George Furbank (Northampton), Max Malins (Saracens), Jonny May (Gloucester), Raffi Quirke (Sale), Adam Radwan (Newcastle), Harry Randall (Bristol), Henry Slade (Exeter), Marcus Smith (Harlequins), Freddie Steward (Leicester), Manu Tuilagi (Sale), Joe Marchant (Quins), Ben Youngs (Leicester)

In Positions:
1.Marler, Genge
2.George, Blamire, Dolly
3.Sinckler, Stuart, Davison
4.Itoje, Hill
5.Lawes, Ewels
6.Curry, Martin
7.Underhill, Ludlam
8.Dombrandt, Simmonds, Chick

9.Youngs, Randall, Quirke
10.Smith

11.May, Radwan
12.Farrell, Atkinson
13.Tuilagi, Slade
14.Freeman, Marchant
15.Steward, Malins, Furbank
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England v Tonga - 6th November
England v Australia - 13th November
England v South Africa - 20th November

Soul Requiem wrote:Looked like Nche going round the outside to me.

Sinckler folds in under pressure then it wheels leading to Nche on the outside. If the TH folds in like that it's not really possible for the LH to stay straight.

England are increasingly getting beaten up in the forwards.

Need to get Quirke on.

England are making it easy for SA

Game in the forwards is slipping away, we're going to lose this if we don't front up.

king_carlos wrote:

Soul Requiem wrote:Looked like Nche going round the outside to me.

Sinckler folds in under pressure then it wheels leading to Nche on the outside. If the TH folds in like that it's not really possible for the LH to stay straight.

The other way round in my opinion.

Happy for Quirke to be getting a full 30 minutes. I've often felt England use their subs too late recently.

Thanks for listening Eddie.

We had the ball at the back there. Get it out.

Why do SA hate playing with ball in hand so much, really boring rugby from them.

king_carlos wrote:We had the ball at the back there. Get it out.

Get an 8 on!

king_carlos wrote:Happy for Quirke to be getting a full 30 minutes. I've often felt England use their subs too late recently.

Good use of the bench by Eddie. We needed some fresh impetus. Think Sinckler needs to come off though he's looking tired and is losing the physical battles.

If he wasn't doing Movember Freddie Steward would be perfect today.

Sonkler is having a torrid time now

There's no excuse for losing it on your on ball, get it in and out.

We've not a sniff the 2nd half, very reminiscent of the WC final.

Underhill surely unlucky there?

The work done in the first half looks like it's taken more out of us than South Africa. Think we need a bit more bench impact and more fresh legs. Stuart and Dombrandt be preference though Dombrandt isn't the biggest defender.

Good use of the bench.

Whst was wrong with Underhill there?

GeordieFalcon wrote:Whst was wrong with Underhill there?

Mistake by the ref thinking he wasn't first defender there.

GeordieFalcon wrote:Whst was wrong with Underhill there?

He was wearing white.

GeordieFalcon wrote:Whst was wrong with Underhill there?

Ruck was formed. He was the second defender there. The first defender goes for the ball, doesn't get due to the arriving SA player. One from each side so the ruck was formed, then Underhill gets over the ball. He was on his feet but as ref judged the ruck formed he can't use his hands. The ref called no and gave him a chance to release the ball as well.

It's really boring to watch but it's bloody effective.

We are getting absolutely hammered in the forwards now. Since Kitshoff, Marx and Koch came on it's just become more and more stark. Just can't win a collision.

Sgt_Pooly wrote:It's really boring to watch but it's bloody effective.

They're missing Malherbe, P-S du Toit and Snyman from this pack as well. When their game plan starts working it's brutal and so hard to turn around the momentum.

Superb by Malins.

king_carlos wrote:We are getting absolutely hammered in the forwards now. Since Kitshoff, Marx and Koch came on it's just become more and more stark. Just can't win a collision.

All this talk about not having a weak pack etc from Eddie is looking quite silly, we're getting absolutely pummeled.

Well done Mallins

Brilliant from Malins and Quirke. No idea how we are getting out of that still in the lead!

Dolly on. Not going to lie, I'm concerned.

Good to see Frans Steyn still being Frans Steyn as well 

Some baptism of fire for Quirke and Smith right now.

England absolutely crushed in this half. Won't have the lead for much longer.

Brilliant from Malins, he's been great.

Dombrandt gives the penalty because he's lazy. Flops on the bobbling ball and just lies there. He's got to to try and fight his way to his feet there. He's got to learn that you can't get away with that sort of thing at international level.

Won't have 15 for much longer, either!

I have a bad feeling that Ewels has just hit Etzebeth high as he goes to ground.

SA love kicking s

Penalty, Penalty, penalty...erc etc etc

Aw cant give a yellow for that

Excellent decision, that is exactly what I have been saying.

Ref sounds English, where is he from?

Not even a foul. Lawes early captaincy getting tested here then. First time behind. 15 min ish game . Go and win it.

king_carlos wrote:I have a bad feeling that Ewels has just hit Etzebeth high as he goes to ground.

Yep. He's going to ground so definite mitigation. Contact is from the arm not shoulder.

No card is the right call for me there. Whether it's consistent is another question as those have definitely been given recently. In my mind that is how they should be reffed though when there is a low danger level and clear mitigation.

Kolisi is fair to be asking how many pens though. England's discipline in the first half was poor, in the second half it's been diabolical.

Collapse2005 wrote:Ref sounds English, where is he from?

Brace was born in Cardiff, but is one of yours.

Nice.

Yes.

Completely against the run of play. Great line by Marchant and support from Quirke. Fantastic.

Didn't even penalise it, right call.

Blimey, England score a try from nowhere. That wasn't on the cards!

You beauty

RiscaGame wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:Ref sounds English, where is he from?

Brace was born in Cardiff, but is one of yours.

quality ref

Nice time to come up with a try

Now if England can just stop giving them penalty chances every two minutes...

Great try, come on England

What a moment for Quirke.