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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 20 Nov 2021, 3:43 pm

First topic message reminder :

England squad for autumn Tests:

Forwards: Jamie Blamire (Newcastle), Callum Chick (Newcastle), Jamie George (Saracens), Tom Curry (Sale), Trevor Davison (Newcastle), Nic Dolly (Leicester), Alex Dombrandt (Harlequins), Charlie Ewels (Bath), Ellis Genge (Leicester), Jonny Hill (Exeter), Maro Itoje (Saracens), Courtney Lawes (Northampton), Lewis Ludlam (Northampton), Joe Marler (Harlequins), George Martin (Leicester), Sam Simmonds (Exeter), Kyle Sinckler (Bristol), Will Stuart (Bath), Sam Underhill (Bath)

Backs: Mark Atkinson (Gloucester), Owen Farrell (Saracens), Tommy Freeman (Northampton), George Furbank (Northampton), Max Malins (Saracens), Jonny May (Gloucester), Raffi Quirke (Sale), Adam Radwan (Newcastle), Harry Randall (Bristol), Henry Slade (Exeter), Marcus Smith (Harlequins), Freddie Steward (Leicester), Manu Tuilagi (Sale), Joe Marchant (Quins), Ben Youngs (Leicester)

In Positions:
1.Marler, Genge
2.George, Blamire, Dolly
3.Sinckler, Stuart, Davison
4.Itoje, Hill
5.Lawes, Ewels
6.Curry, Martin
7.Underhill, Ludlam
8.Dombrandt, Simmonds, Chick

9.Youngs, Randall, Quirke
10.Smith

11.May, Radwan
12.Farrell, Atkinson
13.Tuilagi, Slade
14.Freeman, Marchant
15.Steward, Malins, Furbank
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England v Tonga - 6th November
England v Australia - 13th November
England v South Africa - 20th November

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Post by king_carlos Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:18 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:Looked like Nche going round the outside to me.
Sinckler folds in under pressure then it wheels leading to Nche on the outside. If the TH folds in like that it's not really possible for the LH to stay straight.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:20 pm

England are increasingly getting beaten up in the forwards.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:20 pm

Need to get Quirke on.

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Post by Geordie Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:21 pm

England are making it easy for SA

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:21 pm

Game in the forwards is slipping away, we're going to lose this if we don't front up.

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Post by Soul Requiem Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:21 pm

king_carlos wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:Looked like Nche going round the outside to me.
Sinckler folds in under pressure then it wheels leading to Nche on the outside. If the TH folds in like that it's not really possible for the LH to stay straight.

The other way round in my opinion.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:23 pm

Happy for Quirke to be getting a full 30 minutes. I've often felt England use their subs too late recently.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:23 pm

Thanks for listening Eddie.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:24 pm

We had the ball at the back there. Get it out.

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:25 pm

Why do SA hate playing with ball in hand so much, really boring rugby from them.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:25 pm

king_carlos wrote:We had the ball at the back there. Get it out.

Get an 8 on!

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:25 pm

king_carlos wrote:Happy for Quirke to be getting a full 30 minutes. I've often felt England use their subs too late recently.

Good use of the bench by Eddie. We needed some fresh impetus. Think Sinckler needs to come off though he's looking tired and is losing the physical battles.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:26 pm

If he wasn't doing Movember Freddie Steward would be perfect today.

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Post by Geordie Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:27 pm

Sonkler is having a torrid time now

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:28 pm

There's no excuse for losing it on your on ball, get it in and out.

We've not a sniff the 2nd half, very reminiscent of the WC final.

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Post by Geordie Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:28 pm

Underhill surely unlucky there?

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:29 pm

The work done in the first half looks like it's taken more out of us than South Africa. Think we need a bit more bench impact and more fresh legs. Stuart and Dombrandt be preference though Dombrandt isn't the biggest defender.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:29 pm

Good use of the bench.

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Post by Geordie Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:30 pm

Whst was wrong with Underhill there?

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:30 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Whst was wrong with Underhill there?

Mistake by the ref thinking he wasn't first defender there.

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Post by Soul Requiem Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:30 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Whst was wrong with Underhill there?

He was wearing white.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:31 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Whst was wrong with Underhill there?
Ruck was formed. He was the second defender there. The first defender goes for the ball, doesn't get due to the arriving SA player. One from each side so the ruck was formed, then Underhill gets over the ball. He was on his feet but as ref judged the ruck formed he can't use his hands. The ref called no and gave him a chance to release the ball as well.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:33 pm

It's really boring to watch but it's bloody effective.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:33 pm

We are getting absolutely hammered in the forwards now. Since Kitshoff, Marx and Koch came on it's just become more and more stark. Just can't win a collision.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:34 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:It's really boring to watch but it's bloody effective.
They're missing Malherbe, P-S du Toit and Snyman from this pack as well. When their game plan starts working it's brutal and so hard to turn around the momentum.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:35 pm

Superb by Malins.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:36 pm

king_carlos wrote:We are getting absolutely hammered in the forwards now. Since Kitshoff, Marx and Koch came on it's just become more and more stark. Just can't win a collision.

All this talk about not having a weak pack etc from Eddie is looking quite silly, we're getting absolutely pummeled.

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Post by Geordie Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:36 pm

Well done Mallins

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Post by king_carlos Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:36 pm

Brilliant from Malins and Quirke. No idea how we are getting out of that still in the lead!

Dolly on. Not going to lie, I'm concerned.

Good to see Frans Steyn still being Frans Steyn as well  Laugh

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Post by king_carlos Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:37 pm

Some baptism of fire for Quirke and Smith right now.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:37 pm

England absolutely crushed in this half. Won't have the lead for much longer.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:38 pm

Brilliant from Malins, he's been great.

Dombrandt gives the penalty because he's lazy. Flops on the bobbling ball and just lies there. He's got to to try and fight his way to his feet there. He's got to learn that you can't get away with that sort of thing at international level.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:39 pm

Won't have 15 for much longer, either!

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Post by king_carlos Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:39 pm

I have a bad feeling that Ewels has just hit Etzebeth high as he goes to ground.

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:39 pm

SA love kicking 🖊 s


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Post by Geordie Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:40 pm

Penalty, Penalty, penalty...erc etc etc

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Post by Geordie Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:41 pm

Aw cant give a yellow for that

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Post by Old Man Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:41 pm

Excellent decision, that is exactly what I have been saying.

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:42 pm

Ref sounds English, where is he from?

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:42 pm

Not even a foul. Lawes early captaincy getting tested here then. First time behind. 15 min ish game . Go and win it.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:43 pm

king_carlos wrote:I have a bad feeling that Ewels has just hit Etzebeth high as he goes to ground.
Yep. He's going to ground so definite mitigation. Contact is from the arm not shoulder.

No card is the right call for me there. Whether it's consistent is another question as those have definitely been given recently. In my mind that is how they should be reffed though when there is a low danger level and clear mitigation.

Kolisi is fair to be asking how many pens though. England's discipline in the first half was poor, in the second half it's been diabolical.

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Post by RiscaGame Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:43 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:Ref sounds English, where is he from?

Brace was born in Cardiff, but is one of yours.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:44 pm

Nice.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:44 pm

Yes.

Completely against the run of play. Great line by Marchant and support from Quirke. Fantastic.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:44 pm

Didn't even penalise it, right call.

Blimey, England score a try from nowhere. That wasn't on the cards!

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Post by Geordie Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:45 pm

You beauty

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:45 pm

RiscaGame wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:Ref sounds English, where is he from?

Brace was born in Cardiff, but is one of yours.

quality ref

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Post by alfie Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:45 pm

Nice time to come up with a try Smile

Now if England can just stop giving them penalty chances every two minutes...

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:46 pm

Great try, come on England

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Post by RiscaGame Sat 20 Nov 2021, 4:46 pm

What a moment for Quirke.

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