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Post by Cumbrian Mon 03 Jan 2022, 12:09 pm

First topic message reminder :

The U20s squad has been announced.  They seem to be a somewhat unknown quantity this year.   Normally I would see five or six nations that really standout as familiar and only a couple that I didn’t recognise.  This time I had to really research a lot of these names and therefore the positions may be slightly incorrect (especially in centres/ back-row).

Props:

Will Hobson (Harlequins) (LH)
Mark Dormer (Newcastle) (LH)
Mike Summerfield (London Irish) (LH?)

Fin Baxter (Harlequins) (TH)
Robin Hardwick (Wasps) (TH)

Hooker:

Lucas Brooke (London Irish)
Ollie Fletcher (Newcastle)
John Stewart (Bath)


Second Row:

Alfie Bell (Wasps)
Tom Lockett (Northampton)
Charlie Rice (Bristol)
Ewan Richards (Bath)
Alex Wardell (Saracens)

Back Row:

Kofi Cripps (Wasps) (OS)
Emeka Ilione (Leicester) (BS)
Geordie Irvine (Northampton) (No.8)
Toby Knight (Saracens)
Guy Pepper (Newcastle) (OS)

Scrum Half:

Tom Carr-Smith (Bath)
Matty Jones (Gloucester)

Fly Half:

Jamie Benson (Harlequins)
Louie Johnson (Newcastle)
Fin Smith (Worcester)

Centres:

Seb Atkinson (Worcester) (IC)
Ethan Grayson (Northampton (IC)
Olly Hartley (Wasps) (IC)
Will Joseph (London Irish)(OC)
Tom Litchfield (Northampton)(IC)

Wing:

Deago Bailey (Bristol)
Iwan Stephens (Newcastle)


Full Back:

Henry Arundell (London Irish)
George Hendy (Northampton)
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Post by GeordieFalcon Fri 04 Feb 2022, 9:37 pm

England's backs have some serious pace and power...

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Post by Cumbrian Fri 04 Feb 2022, 9:41 pm

Game over now. Poor defence that though.
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Post by Cumbrian Fri 04 Feb 2022, 9:45 pm

English hooker needs to learn the new rules, can't keep being pinged for avoidable offences.
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Post by lostinwales Fri 04 Feb 2022, 9:52 pm

Arundell 5 carries 229 yards....

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Post by GeordieFalcon Fri 04 Feb 2022, 9:55 pm

Yeah rhats some stats!!

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Post by GeordieFalcon Fri 04 Feb 2022, 9:56 pm

Arundel....Will be off to Bath soon... Laugh

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Post by Cumbrian Fri 04 Feb 2022, 9:56 pm

I've heard the buzz about Arundel, but this is the first time I've seen him play. He is really bloody good isn't he? Future looks bright at full back doesn't it? Old man Steward better watch his back.
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Post by Margin_Walker Fri 04 Feb 2022, 11:06 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Arundel....Will be off to Bath soon... Laugh

That's actually the funny thing about it.

He grew up in the Bath catchment area. Ended up at LI as he went to school at Harrow.

They're giving something back after all these years.

I've seen him play 3 games of rugby and he's done some absurd things in every one. Hopefully he keeps developing as he could go a long way.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 05 Feb 2022, 5:54 am

2 pretty decent fullbacks in Arundell and Hendy!

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Post by majesticimperialman Sat 05 Feb 2022, 7:43 am

England ran a way with it in the second half, made Scotland look a poor side. Which was not the case of the whole game.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 05 Feb 2022, 8:38 am

majesticimperialman wrote:England ran a way with it in the second half, made Scotland look a poor side. Which was not the case of the whole game.

England played into the wind first half, Scotland second half. Can tend to mess with the overall balance of the game.

Arundell looks a talent. I'm interested to see whether he can keep pin balling through tackles at senior level. His acceleration and footwork are exceptional. LI seem to have a conveyor belt of back three talent these days.

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Post by lostinwales Sat 05 Feb 2022, 9:07 am

The wind did seem to be a major factor given the kicking game from both sides.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 05 Feb 2022, 9:48 am

Was watching the mighty boro knock man u out of the cup so missed this. The tries look pretty special. Looking forward to the Wales game now.

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Post by lostinwales Sat 05 Feb 2022, 10:11 am

It was a funny game. England started very brightly but didnt score. Scotland took over and at a guess had the majority of possession and territory for the rest of the half, and ground out two decent tries. In this time their whole pack seems more coherent and stronger than the England pack, despite the usual ridiculous specimens we seem to produce.

Worth saying Leatherbarrow the Scottish 8 looks like he's playing a different game from everyone else.

In between the two Scottish tries you have Arundell, who takes the ball maybe 2m from his line, sees what is in front goes past the first guys then doesn't stop until he gets to the other end. England score another try from the forwards just before half time.

2nd half starts off the same way for the Scots. They get a third try and for a moment it seems as if they might do it.

Then Arundell comes in again, doing pretty much the same as he did 1st time around. What I really liked is that I seem to remember him telling the scrum half who he put back on side to be there for the offload, all while he's half way through sprinting the length of the pitch.

After that England were all over Scotland for the rest of the game.


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Post by lostinwales Thu 10 Feb 2022, 9:55 am

For Italy.

No wonder boy this week (no idea why) but Hendy was doing his best to copy Arundell when he got on the pitch last week. Ilione starts. Carr-Smith out. Baxter captains.

15. George Hendy, 14. Deago Bailey, 13. Tom Litchfield, 12. Ethan Grayson, 11. Francis Moore (Saracens), 10. Jamie Benson, 9. Matty Jones, 1. Fin Baxter, 2. John Stewart, 3. Mike Summerfield, 4. Alfie Bell, 5. Tom Lockett, 6. Alex Wardell, 7. Toby Knight, 8. Emeka Ilione.

Replacements

16. Finn Theobald-Thomas (Worcester Warriors), 17. Mark Dormer, 18. Will Hobson, 19. Charlie Rice, 20. Greg Fisilau, 21. Sam Edwards, 22.Louie Johnson, 23. Ollie Dawkins.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Fri 11 Feb 2022, 7:34 pm

England massively under the cosh.

Italy have some canny players coming through...

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Post by No 7&1/2 Fri 11 Feb 2022, 7:49 pm

Scrum is getting mullered.

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Post by majesticimperialman Fri 11 Feb 2022, 7:52 pm

Italy really giving England food for thought.

England being savaged in the scrum, and being kept away from the Italian line.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Fri 11 Feb 2022, 7:53 pm

But are England bad or Italy just totally up for it and fighting for everything.

Can their fitness last.

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Post by majesticimperialman Fri 11 Feb 2022, 7:54 pm

Is this a taste of what might happen against the senior side on sunday?

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Post by No 7&1/2 Fri 11 Feb 2022, 7:59 pm

Jesus.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Fri 11 Feb 2022, 8:00 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:But are England bad or Italy just totally up for it and fighting for everything.  

Can their fitness last.
Think both sides have found the reffing of the breakdown difficult. No lee way and they're slow to realise that. England just need to play a little more territory and take the points when they're there.

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Post by majesticimperialman Fri 11 Feb 2022, 8:01 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Jesus.

Is he playing tonight?

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Post by No 7&1/2 Fri 11 Feb 2022, 8:11 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Jesus.

Is he playing tonight?
That was just me being incredulous at your comments.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Fri 11 Feb 2022, 8:11 pm

England keep taking quick taps rather than taking points.

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Post by majesticimperialman Fri 11 Feb 2022, 8:19 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Jesus.

Is he playing tonight?
That was just me being incredulous at your comments.

In other words you are simply taking the PPPPPP again.

Besides i thought this was the under 20s tournament. Mot the over 2000s tournament?

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Post by GeordieFalcon Fri 11 Feb 2022, 8:19 pm

Wow England...

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Post by majesticimperialman Fri 11 Feb 2022, 8:19 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Jesus.

Is he playing tonight?
That was just me being incredulous at your comments.

In other words you are simply taking the PPPPPP again.

Besides i thought this was the under 20s tournament. Mot the over 2000s tournament?

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Post by No 7&1/2 Fri 11 Feb 2022, 8:19 pm

Oh of course I am. It's too easy not to.

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Post by lostinwales Fri 11 Feb 2022, 8:53 pm

What a thoroughly depressing load of sh!te

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Post by majesticimperialman Fri 11 Feb 2022, 9:02 pm

England have been out played tonight. Italy deserved winners. OK clap clap clap

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Post by lostinwales Fri 11 Feb 2022, 9:10 pm

I have only watched bits and pieces. Italy on top in the forwards but there were still more than enough opportunities to score, but it all seemed so disorganised, so leaden footed, so lacking in imagination, so inept.

Twitter talking about the SH having a stinker, something was definitely very off

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Post by majesticimperialman Fri 11 Feb 2022, 9:16 pm

Certainly no Grand Slam for the England under 20s this year.

Just like the senior side, No Grand Slam for the senior side either.

And if the senior side play like the lads tonight, 5th place last year may be 6th place this year.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Fri 11 Feb 2022, 9:27 pm

Jesus.

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Post by lostinwales Fri 11 Feb 2022, 9:32 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:Certainly no Grand Slam for the England under 20s this year.

Just like the senior side, No Grand Slam for the senior side either.

And if the senior side play like the lads tonight, 5th place last year may be 6th place this year.

It won't be. The U20's is such an odd format in that it is so dependent on instant chemistry and players from all kinds of places. If we got our best U20 players out together it would include the likes of Fin Smith, JVP and even George Martin. It would be a very much stronger team.

Jury is still out on where the seniors are, but the main issues seem to be lack of experience. Last week we got mugged by a tougher, more experienced and very streetwise Scotland after outplaying them in Edinburgh for most of the match. A few months ago we stuffed Australia and then beat South Africa in what was an epic match up. Going forward both Ireland and France look very tough. but we still should not be afraid of any of them.

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Post by majesticimperialman Fri 11 Feb 2022, 9:33 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Jesus.

Yes my child.

Would you like to confess your sins right now?

I am sure their will be allot of sins to confess right now.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Fri 11 Feb 2022, 9:37 pm

I'm confused as to whether you're serious or just a wum.

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Post by Heaf Fri 11 Feb 2022, 10:04 pm

lostinwales wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:Certainly no Grand Slam for the England under 20s this year.

Just like the senior side, No Grand Slam for the senior side either.

And if the senior side play like the lads tonight, 5th place last year may be 6th place this year.

It won't be. The U20's is such an odd format in that it is so dependent on instant chemistry and players from all kinds of places. If we got our best U20 players out together it would include the likes of Fin Smith, JVP and even George Martin. It would be a very much stronger team.

Jury is still out on where the seniors are, but the main issues seem to be lack of experience. Last week we got mugged by a tougher, more experienced and very streetwise Scotland after outplaying them in Edinburgh for most of the match. A few months ago we stuffed Australia and then beat South Africa in what was an epic match up. Going forward both Ireland and France look very tough. but we still should not be afraid of any of them.

I'd add Arundell to that too ...

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Post by mikey_dragon Fri 11 Feb 2022, 10:25 pm

Yikes that’s a huge win for Italy. In recent years they have been surprisingly good at this level.

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Post by lostinwales Fri 11 Feb 2022, 10:30 pm

Heaf wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:Certainly no Grand Slam for the England under 20s this year.

Just like the senior side, No Grand Slam for the senior side either.

And if the senior side play like the lads tonight, 5th place last year may be 6th place this year.

It won't be. The U20's is such an odd format in that it is so dependent on instant chemistry and players from all kinds of places. If we got our best U20 players out together it would include the likes of Fin Smith, JVP and even George Martin. It would be a very much stronger team.

Jury is still out on where the seniors are, but the main issues seem to be lack of experience. Last week we got mugged by a tougher, more experienced and very streetwise Scotland after outplaying them in Edinburgh for most of the match. A few months ago we stuffed Australia and then beat South Africa in what was an epic match up. Going forward both Ireland and France look very tough. but we still should not be afraid of any of them.

I'd add Arundell to that too ...

(In the main squad - Quirke and Freeman both 20)

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Post by Margin_Walker Fri 11 Feb 2022, 10:44 pm

Smith and Arundell are the only players mentioned there that are young enough. The others are all over age.

Really poor performance, but fair play to Italy. They are really starting to get their age grade rugby in order.

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Post by lostinwales Fri 11 Feb 2022, 11:13 pm

Margin_Walker wrote:Smith and Arundell are the only players mentioned there that are young enough. The others are all over age.

Really poor performance, but fair play to Italy. They are really starting to get their age grade rugby in order.

Is the limit based on age on a specific date?

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Post by Margin_Walker Fri 11 Feb 2022, 11:20 pm

lostinwales wrote:
Margin_Walker wrote:Smith and Arundell are the only players mentioned there that are young enough. The others are all over age.

Really poor performance, but fair play to Italy. They are really starting to get their age grade rugby in order.

Is the limit based on age on a specific date?

It's based on calendar year. Need to be 19 or younger on 31/12/21.

So basically anyone born in 2002 or later is good. Anyone in 2001 is too old.

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Post by Big Sat 12 Feb 2022, 8:45 am

The last I checked it was age at the end of the preceding season, i.e. age on 31st August so anyone born Sep 2001 onwards would be good. Is it done differently at international level due to the different NH/SH seasons??

Either way, the likes of JvP and Martin mentioned above would not be available.

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Post by Margin_Walker Sat 12 Feb 2022, 9:10 am

Big wrote:The last I checked it was age at the end of the preceding season, i.e. age on 31st August so anyone born Sep 2001 onwards would be good.  Is it done differently at international level due to the different NH/SH seasons??

Either way, the likes of JvP and Martin mentioned above would not be available.

I know in some cases domestically it's been season/school year based. For international U20s its definitely calendar year though.

You get a situation where some lads have 2 years of U20s eligibility after leaving school (Jan - Aug births) and some only get 1 year (Sept - Dec births)

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Post by BigGee Sun 20 Feb 2022, 3:34 pm

Apparently Henry Arundel has a Scottish Granny!

Just saying Run

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Post by No 7&1/2 Wed 23 Feb 2022, 3:26 pm

RFU site:
1. Fin Baxter
2. Finn Theobald-Thomas (Worcester Warriors, Caps 1)
3. Will Hobson
4. Charlie Rice
5. Alfie Bell
6. Chandler Cunningham-South (London Irish, Caps 0)
7. Toby Knight
8. Emeka Ilione
9. Sam Edwards
10. Jamie Benson
11. Cassius Cleaves (Harlequins, Caps 0)
12. Ethan Grayson
13. Jacob Cusick (Leicester Tigers, Caps 0)
14. Deago Bailey
15. Henry Arundell

Replacements

16. Joe Vajner (London Irish, Caps 0)
17. Archie McArthur (Wasps, Caps 0)
18. Mike Summerfield
19. Lewis Chessum (Leicester Tigers, Caps 0)
20. Kofi Cripps
21. Matty Jones
22. Louie Johnson
23. Rekeiti Ma’asi White (Wasps, Caps 0)


Quite excited as this will be my first live game since Covid. After that first round got to admit I'm looking forward to seeing Arundell in the flesh. Was impressed by Ilione too.

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Post by Margin_Walker Wed 23 Feb 2022, 3:38 pm

Watch out for Cassius Cleaves on the wing. He was really stand out in schools rugby for Wellington College.

Cunningham-South is an interesting one too. Fresh off the boat from NZ (Canterbury U19s). Only signed for LI a few weeks ago and presumably has English relatives.


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Post by formerly known as Sam Wed 23 Feb 2022, 3:38 pm

https://images.app.goo.gl/bDzi85HdsT86xMNKA


Chessum Jnr on the bench, clearly taller than his older brother who's 6ft7. I'm sure the hookers are looking forward to him coming on.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 23 Feb 2022, 4:00 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:https://images.app.goo.gl/bDzi85HdsT86xMNKA


Chessum Jnr on the bench, clearly taller than his older brother who's 6ft7. I'm sure the hookers are looking forward to him coming on.

And possibly even more ginger! Poor bugger.

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