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Post by Pot Hale Sun Mar 27, 2022 5:21 pm

First topic message reminder :

In addition to three tests, Ireland are playing 2 non-test matches against NZ Māori.  Farrell plans to take an expanded squad as a result that will allow him see a few other non-regulars perform. The newer ones may only be required for the 2 NZ Māori matches

Assuming current injuries allow some players to travel, the touring squad will likely include most of the 6N picks plus some more - up to say 42 players.  
Ireland will likely win two of the matches and things will likely go to the third test to decide matters.

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7 Props - Furlong, Porter, Bealham, O’Toole, Loughman?
3 Hookers - Sheehan, Herring, Heffernan?
6 Locks - Ryan, Henderson, Beirne, Baird, Treadwell, J McCarthy?
6 B/rows - VdF, Conan, Coombes, Doris, O’Mahony, Timoney? Prendergast?
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4 SH Gibson-Park, Murray, Casey
4 10s Sexton, Carbery, H Byrne?
5 Centres Aki, Henshaw, Ringrose, Hume? Frawley?
7 Back-threes - Keenan, Lowe, Hansen, Lowry? J O’Brien?


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Post by Collapse2005 Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:09 am

Great start again for Ireland!!

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Post by RDW Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:15 am

Early signs are good for Ireland - ABs making mistakes, set piece under pressure.

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:25 am

Has to be red, joke that the ABs get away with these things. Unreal.

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Post by RDW Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:26 am

Yellow probably just about the right call. A bit reckless!

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Post by MichaelT Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:27 am

Does he not jump to block before the ball is kicked?

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Post by RDW Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:28 am

Collapse2005 wrote:Has to be red, joke that the ABs get away with these things. Unreal.

It will be subject to a lot of debate im sure. Similar type of incident to a shoulder to the head during a tackle. I reckon this was lower level than those as he was jumping in the air to try and charge down a kick, and his momentum made him fall straight into Hansen's face.

Reckless definitely.

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:29 am

MichaelT wrote:Does he not jump to block before the ball is kicked?

Doesnt matter, Stander got a red v SA for the exact same thing. Its contact with the head.

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:30 am

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Collapse2005 wrote:Has to be red, joke that the ABs get away with these things. Unreal.

It will be subject to a lot of debate im sure. Similar type of incident to a shoulder to the head during a tackle. I reckon this was lower level than those as he was jumping in the air to try and charge down a kick, and his momentum made him fall straight into Hansen's face.

Reckless definitely.

For sure, think Peyper is a good ref though so all good.

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Post by RDW Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:34 am

ABs really not playing with any fluidity so far - great opportunity for Ireland this

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Post by westisbest Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:36 am

No cover at all. Ridiculous decision.

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Post by RDW Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:37 am

Ooh another close one - again I think correct call. There were other players nearby (Jordie Barrett) and he was still far enough out for it not to be a penalty try.

Very very close call though!

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Post by MichaelT Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:40 am

Collapse2005 wrote:
MichaelT wrote:Does he not jump to block before the ball is kicked?

Doesnt matter, Stander got a red v SA for the exact same thing. Its contact with the head.

Stander was hip straight to face. No other contact first. Not the same thing.

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Post by RDW Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:42 am

Will be a huge result for ABs if they get through this period without conceding. They need to find a way back into the game though as they've had nothing.

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Post by RDW Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:44 am

Jeez they're really testing the ref this half.

You've seen reds for that!

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:44 am

How can this not be a red?

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Post by westisbest Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:45 am

About time.

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Post by RDW Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:45 am

Pretty remarkable - when was the last time you saw two yellows and a red in one half?

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Post by Nos na Gaoithe Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:47 am

If not for the ref... this could be a 12 man NZ team for next 4 mins... and a penalty try to go with the opening try.

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Post by R!skysports Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:47 am

Wow. Nz should be down to 13 and a penalty try against them.


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Post by MichaelT Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:48 am

Thoroughly deserved red. New Zealand are flailing. Ireland are really in control.

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:49 am

Should be another yellow for Sam Cane

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Post by RDW Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:50 am

This must be the worst half of discipline from the ABs ever?

Ireland so far not making the most of it though!


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Post by Nos na Gaoithe Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:51 am

Ireland need to focus and take points. Even if its penalties. Coz they have all the advantages now. Don't want to lose by banging your head off a black wall in a rage.

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Post by RDW Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:53 am

Nos na Gaoithe wrote:Ireland need to focus and take points.  Even if its penalties.  Coz they have all the advantages now.  Don't want to lose by banging your head off a black wall in a rage.

Agree - they could have been 16-19 up by now.

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Post by R!skysports Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:54 am

Ireland really mucking this up

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Post by RDW Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:56 am

I'm sure Ireland won't care of they win (which they should so) but this has become a bit of a farce as a spectacle

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Post by Nos na Gaoithe Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:57 am

R!skysports wrote:Ireland really mucking this up

Does feel like it doesnt it?! Rolling Eyes

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Post by westisbest Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:03 am

Really needed to be 10-0 up at half time.
Need to cut out silly mistakes towards the end of that half.
Cost us.

Real shame, as should be further ahead.

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Post by Nos na Gaoithe Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:04 am

Hate to set this tone. But its remained 15 on 15 with that ref on the pitch... He's been worth more points than Sam Whitelock for NZ.

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Post by Nos na Gaoithe Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:07 am

Ireland have real head issues when it gets like this. Seem unable to put their foot on the neck of the opposition and slow things down... play some clinical controlled possession. Followed NZ's lead and just added to the chaotic feel.

NZ showing their mettle in adversity as always.

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Post by Old Man Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:08 am

Ireland messing this opportunity up. Should have taken the goalable kicks.

Their execution has been poor forthe time they have spent on attack.

Unlucky not to get a penalty try though.

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Post by RDW Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:08 am

WTF was that half! Mad.

Ireland really making a mess of things - they should have been out of sight. Instead ABs are right back in the game.

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Post by Duty281 Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:10 am

Really farcical half of rugby with the amount of cards. Ireland couldn't convert their chances (again) so it looks like NZ will come back and win, even with the one man deficit for the majority of the half.

Think the yellow for the charge-down was fine.

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Post by eirebilly Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:13 am

Well, what can I say.

For me, Peyper has been very lenient here.

First YC was easily a RC for me.
Second YC understandable but if it was a penalty and a YC then it was most definitely a penalty try as there was no cover.
The third card, RC, Peyper was almost apologetic to the All Blacks for having to issue the RC...

No qualms about the Ireland YC, it was deserved but in the lead up to it, it was clear that the AB's dummied the re-start and drew Ireland offside, Could easily have been a penalty to Ireland.

Ref Rant over Very Happy

Ireland seriously lacking composure whilst having a man advantage. It was hard to watch.
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Post by MichaelT Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:14 am

Nos na Gaoithe wrote:Hate to set this tone. But its remained 15 on 15 with that ref on the pitch... He's been worth more points than Sam Whitelock for NZ.

He has sin binned 2 New Zealand players and sent off another?

Ireland hopefully will manage this better than England did last week. I do enjoy watching the Ireland attack though, they support each other really well, theres always options. They swarm on the other team.

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Post by Nos na Gaoithe Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:17 am

eirebilly wrote:

Ireland seriously lacking composure whilst having a man advantage. It was hard to watch.

Do you think we get like this because of the Black Jerseys in particular... or are we just a panicky hysterical team in general? Coz it's been real headless stuff (similar to the WC game where we looked completely psyched out from the start). Only on this occasion we're trying to feck up a gift-wrapped away victory.

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Post by Nos na Gaoithe Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:18 am

MichaelT wrote:

He has sin binned 2 New Zealand players and sent off another?


Are you watching the actual game or listening/looking at the stats? Coz the actual context was very different.

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Post by eirebilly Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:20 am

Nos na Gaoithe wrote:
eirebilly wrote:

Ireland seriously lacking composure whilst having a man advantage. It was hard to watch.

Do you think we get like this because of the Black Jerseys in particular... or are we just a panicky hysterical team in general?  Coz it's been real headless stuff (similar to the WC game where we looked completely psyched out from the start).  Only on this occasion we're trying to feck up a gift-wrapped away victory.

I do not think that Ireland are a hysterical team but they really do lack composure at times. I think that they are expecting Peyper to penalise the All Blacks more and not focusing so much on the opposition.
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Post by MichaelT Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:22 am

Nos na Gaoithe wrote:
MichaelT wrote:

He has sin binned 2 New Zealand players and sent off another?


Are you watching the actual game or listening/looking at the stats?  Coz the actual context was very different.

Are you? He has penalised - deservedly - New Zealand all game. He even warned them he wasnt going to stop.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:24 am

Not sure what it is, but NZ always seem to put in a lot of high shots when they play Ireland - usually they’d get away with it.

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Post by eirebilly Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:25 am

I actually think that it is time to bring Murray on. Just that bit more calmer and experienced.
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Post by westisbest Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:28 am

That’s more like it Ireland. C’mon now.

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Post by eirebilly Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:29 am

Ding ding
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Post by Collapse2005 Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:29 am

Back to basics, love it

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Post by Nos na Gaoithe Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:32 am

MichaelT wrote:
Nos na Gaoithe wrote:
MichaelT wrote:

He has sin binned 2 New Zealand players and sent off another?


Are you watching the actual game or listening/looking at the stats?  Coz the actual context was very different.

Are you? He has penalised - deservedly - New Zealand all game. He even warned them he wasnt going to stop.
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Wasn't trying to get at you mate. I listened to last weeks game on the radio. For me the ref was ridiculous in the opening. And even tried to not give the red card... except that it was there right in front of your eyes on replay after replay. But whatever.

Ireland need to keep this game at even numbers. They seem to play better when they aren't thinking about having an advantage!

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:32 am

Think if Ireland score next it should seal the deal. Really getting nervous now.

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Post by eirebilly Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:32 am

POM has been immense again but I would also bring him off soon.
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Post by Collapse2005 Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:34 am

Ireland with Sexton playing are a different beast

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Post by RDW Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:35 am

Ireland starting to find their mojo again.

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Post by MichaelT Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:37 am

Nos na Gaoithe wrote:
MichaelT wrote:
Nos na Gaoithe wrote:
MichaelT wrote:

He has sin binned 2 New Zealand players and sent off another?


Are you watching the actual game or listening/looking at the stats?  Coz the actual context was very different.

Are you? He has penalised - deservedly - New Zealand all game. He even warned them he wasnt going to stop.
09:29:06

Wasn't trying to get at you mate.  I listened to last weeks game on the radio. For me the ref was ridiculous in the opening.  And even tried to not give the red card... except that it was there right in front of your eyes on replay after replay.  But whatever.

Ireland need to keep this game at even numbers.  They seem to play better when they aren't thinking about having an advantage!

To me with the red card the refs show sympathy for what is not deliberate but clearly the player has to go.

If Ireland dont win now its not down to the ref.

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