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Post by mountain man Mon 17 Oct 2022, 11:38 am

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Hate to say it and I don't wish him injured but I'm glad Ewels not available!
If you're disappointed with Malins and Daly being selected, imagine how most of us feel about Youngs being there.
In fairness, Malins and Daly been superb this season but please give Radwan and Arundell a run.

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Post by Heaf Sun 06 Nov 2022, 2:50 pm

Ball call by Brace - never has been a great ref ...

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Post by Heaf Sun 06 Nov 2022, 2:51 pm

3 point gift to Argentina

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 06 Nov 2022, 2:51 pm

Heaf wrote:The touchline is receiving a lot of passes today

Youngs is playing......the touchline and ground are his go to balls.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 06 Nov 2022, 2:51 pm

Nice line by Coles there.

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Post by Cumbrian Sun 06 Nov 2022, 2:52 pm

That was ridiculous, text book penalty for not supporting his own weight.
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Post by Cumbrian Sun 06 Nov 2022, 2:53 pm

We still don't look like we have any kind of attacking game plan. Headless chicken stuff at times.
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Post by Heaf Sun 06 Nov 2022, 2:53 pm

Oh dear - just heard who the TMO is ...

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 06 Nov 2022, 2:55 pm

Our play from kick offs is rubbish. From both offence and defence.

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Post by Mr Bounce Sun 06 Nov 2022, 2:56 pm

Heaf wrote:Oh dear - just heard who the TMO is ...

And we know how he loves us...

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Post by Heaf Sun 06 Nov 2022, 2:57 pm

Precisely ...

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 06 Nov 2022, 2:59 pm

Brilliant scrum. Great scavenging from Curry I think supported by LCD.

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Post by Heaf Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:00 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Our play from kick offs is rubbish. From both offence and defence.

Yep - half of Argentina's points have come from restart errors ...

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Post by Cumbrian Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:00 pm

I don't feel like there is as much scrutiny on the offside line for them as us, we are being hammered for it, but they've been offside on a number of occasions and it just doesn't seem to be picked up.
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Post by Cumbrian Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:02 pm

Not a great game, but we've coughed the ball up when attacking their line twice. We could (and should) be almost out of sight here.
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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:04 pm

Well apart from the obvious sub surely we should be looking to bring on the forwards from the bench early else what's the point of 6 2?

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Post by Heaf Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:04 pm

Cumbrian wrote:I don't feel like there is as much scrutiny on the offside line for them as us, we are being hammered for it, but they've been offside on a number of occasions and it just doesn't seem to be picked up.

Indeed as I said earlier Brace is not a great ref and at least one of the ARs is blind going from that earlier non knock-on not picked up right in front of him ...

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Post by TJ Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:04 pm

Has EJ not done his homework on the restarts? I have watched a lot of recent Argentinian games and they have a lot of variations on the restart. england don't seem to be expecting them

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Post by Heaf Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:06 pm

Cumbrian wrote:Not a great game, but we've coughed the ball up when attacking their line twice.  We could (and should) be almost out of sight here.

Yep England have done all the attacking and seem to have the edge in the scrum. Argentina being kept in the game by England restart errors and bad ref calls ...

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:08 pm

TJ wrote:Has EJ not done his homework on the restarts?  I have watched a lot of recent Argentinian games and they have a lot of variations on the restart.  england don't seem to be expecting them

More silly catching errors. 2 blatant ones being Coles and Steward under no pressure knocking on. Greasy ball but you'd expect both to catch it.

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Post by Rugby Fan Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:14 pm

This is a hard watch, even allowing for the weather.

We don't have enough pace in the back line for deep kicks, and a chase to keep Argentina back in their own half, so they are getting much too easy access to our half.

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Post by mountain man Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:14 pm

Several England players taking an extra roll when going to ground, fortunate not to get pinged.

Too many unforced errors but conditions don't help.
Coles looks good, one drop not withstanding.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:15 pm

mountain man wrote:Several England players taking an extra roll when going to ground, fortunate not to get pinged.

Too many unforced errors but conditions don't help.
Coles looks good, one drop not withstanding.

Really? Looked very nervy early doors.

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Post by Cumbrian Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:15 pm

Rugby Fan wrote:This is a hard watch, even allowing for the weather.

We don't have enough pace in the back line for deep kicks, and a chase to keep Argentina back in their own half, so they are getting much too easy access to our half.

Yep, we've picked a power backline (at the expense of pace), yet we seem to be playing it like the opposite is true.
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Post by mountain man Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:17 pm

Coles probably is nervy but doing ok I reckon

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:18 pm

First time really England have really challenged the lineout bit harsh pinging England there.

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Post by Heaf Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:22 pm

That scrum looked like Argentina pushed early

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:22 pm

Well you pick fast backs and they can do that.

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Post by Mr Bounce Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:23 pm

Heaf wrote:That scrum looked like Argentina pushed early

Their front row also hit the deck first. The resulting penalty leads to a try...

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Post by Heaf Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:23 pm

That was too easy - but came from a scrum pen that went the wrong way

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:23 pm

Behind again and a bit of pressure on England now.

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Post by Collapse2005 Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:24 pm

Finally some ambition from Argentina. Nice try.

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Post by Heaf Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:24 pm

10 points now courtesy of Brace ...

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Post by Heaf Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:24 pm

OK 8 ...

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:26 pm

We'd made a break and looked dangerous thank goodness youngs decided to pass it to no one. Again.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:26 pm

Yay. Well done Ben. Brilliant.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:27 pm

That's knocked on. Not much but you can see. But he's not giving it is he.

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Post by Heaf Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:28 pm

Some sloppy passing by England

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:28 pm

You can see the change in spin.

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Post by Heaf Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:29 pm

That ball changes direction in the air ...

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:29 pm

Deserve to concede though. Please Jones make a change.

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Post by Mr Bounce Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:29 pm

To be fair to Jonker he had to ok it given what he had to work with

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Post by Heaf Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:30 pm

Up to 15 dodgy points now

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Post by mountain man Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:30 pm

Time to get to work England!

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Post by TJ Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:31 pm

Heaf wrote:That ball changes direction in the air ...

No it doesn't. Not in the slightest. He might have grazed the ball but "might" is not enough to make the call. No deviation, no change in spin. How slow was steward as well? Need a fast runner at 15

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Post by Duty281 Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:31 pm

Abject performance from England. Argentina have hardly done anything, but they've scored 24 points through various England errors.

Stop picking Youngs, for heaven's sake. Every time England get into the opposition 22, Youngs ruins the chance.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:31 pm

Come on England. You can see them trying to force it as theres no option but slow ball and no pace.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:32 pm

TJ wrote:
Heaf wrote:That ball changes direction in the air ...

No it doesn't.  Not in the slightest.  He might have grazed the ball but "might" is not enough to make the call.  No deviation, no change in spin.  How slow was steward as well?  Need a fast runner at 15

You can see the change in spin though.

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Post by Mr Bounce Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:32 pm

Yes! JVP on

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Post by Mr Bounce Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:33 pm

Can this be the last we ever see of Youngs? Look at the difference?!!

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 06 Nov 2022, 3:33 pm

Mr Bounce wrote:Yes! JVP on

I see no discernable difference to the ponderous play beforehand though. None at all.

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