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Post by Collapse2005 Thu 23 Feb 2023, 1:59 pm

First topic message reminder :


Ireland

Six changes to the Ireland team. Sexton is out with injury/rested. Aki, Byrne, Casey, Kelleher, Henderson and Conan come in.

1. Andrew Porter (Leinster/UCD) 50 caps
2. Ronan Kelleher (Leinster/Lansdowne) 19 caps
3. Finlay Bealham (Connacht/Buccaneers) 29 caps
4. Iain Henderson (Ulster/Academy) 70 caps
5. James Ryan (Leinster/UCD) 50 caps (c)
6. Caelan Doris (Leinster/St Mary’s College) 25 caps
7. Josh van der Flier (Leinster/UCD) 47 caps
8. Jack Conan (Leinster/Old Belvedere) 35
15. Hugo Keenan (Leinster/UCD) 27 caps
14. Mack Hansen (Connacht/Corinthians) 11 caps
13. Garry Ringrose (Leinster/UCD) 49 caps
12. Bundee Aki (Connacht/Galwegians) 43 caps
11. James Lowe (Leinster) 17 caps
10. Ross Byrne (Leinster/UCD) 16 caps
9. Craig Casey (Munster/Shannon) 9 caps


Replacements: 16. Dan Sheehan (Leinster/Lansdowne) 14 caps, 17. Dave Kilcoyne (Munster/UL Bohemians) 50 caps, 18. Tom O’Toole (Ulster/Ballynahinch) 6 caps, 19. Ryan Baird (Leinster/Dublin University) 8 caps, 20. Peter O’Mahony (Munster/Cork Constitution) 91 caps, 21. Conor Murray (Munster/Garryowen) 102 caps, 22. Jack Crowley (Munster/Cork Constitution) 2 caps, 23. Stuart McCloskey (Ulster/Bangor) 11 caps


Italy

Italy welcome Garbisi back at 10.

1 Danilo Fischetti
2 Giacomo Nicotera
3 Simone Ferrari
4 Niccolò Cannone
5 Federico Ruzza
6 Sebastian Negri
7 Michele Lamaro (Captain)
8 Lorenzo Cannone
9 Stephen Varney
10 Paolo Garbisi
11 Pierre Bruno
12 Tommaso Menoncello
13 Juan Ignacio Brex
14 Edoardo Padovani
15 Ange Capuozzo

Replacements: 16 Luca Bigi, 17 Federico Zani, 18 Marco Riccioni, 19 Edoardo Iachizzi, 20 Giovanni Pettinelli, 21 Alessandro Fusco, 22 Luca Morisi, 23 Tommaso Allan

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 25 Feb 2023, 3:37 pm

McCloskey should be having a ten minute sit down for that. Just a penalty is ridiculous. Swinging arm to the face, always upright.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 25 Feb 2023, 3:38 pm

Porter penalised, what’s he doing now Wink

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Post by Heaf Sat 25 Feb 2023, 3:40 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:McCloskey should be having a ten minute sit down for that. Just a penalty is ridiculous. Swinging arm to the face, always upright.

Ireland do seem to be getting the rub of the green on these decisions ...

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Post by eirebilly_01 Sat 25 Feb 2023, 3:40 pm

Starting to get a little nervous about this...

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Post by Heaf Sat 25 Feb 2023, 3:41 pm

That's knocked on surely?

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 25 Feb 2023, 3:41 pm

Aki trying to getvthe refs attention to say it wasn't a try and Hansen tells him to be quiet. Really poor there.

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Post by eirebilly_01 Sat 25 Feb 2023, 3:42 pm

Heaf wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:McCloskey should be having a ten minute sit down for that. Just a penalty is ridiculous. Swinging arm to the face, always upright.

Ireland do seem to be getting the rub of the green on these decisions ...

Completely missed that due to interskip issues, what happened?

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 25 Feb 2023, 3:42 pm

Arguably, Aki never loses that.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 25 Feb 2023, 3:43 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Arguably, Aki never loses that.

He knew. Its why he was trying to own up.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 25 Feb 2023, 3:45 pm

eirebilly_01 wrote:
Heaf wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:McCloskey should be having a ten minute sit down for that. Just a penalty is ridiculous. Swinging arm to the face, always upright.

Ireland do seem to be getting the rub of the green on these decisions ...

Completely missed that due to interskip issues, what happened?

Capauozo does him on the outside McCloskey is upright and makes a desperate lunge. Contact is arm to the face and requires treatment. There's enough force in the arm to take the fullback off balance and allow McCloskey to grab hold. Mitigation is that the Italian fullback lowers his height a bit.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 25 Feb 2023, 3:45 pm

I never seen the McCloskey incident, but have noticed ireland get away with some seatbelt tackles. Just thought it was worth a mention…

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Post by Heaf Sat 25 Feb 2023, 3:45 pm

eirebilly_01 wrote:
Heaf wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:McCloskey should be having a ten minute sit down for that. Just a penalty is ridiculous. Swinging arm to the face, always upright.

Ireland do seem to be getting the rub of the green on these decisions ...

Completely missed that due to interskip issues, what happened?

Pen for high tackle given but missed the smack across the face with the arm which should probably have been reviewed for YC

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Post by eirebilly_01 Sat 25 Feb 2023, 3:47 pm

Cheers for the update lads thumbsup

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Post by Heaf Sat 25 Feb 2023, 3:52 pm

Why did they kick that?

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Post by eirebilly_01 Sat 25 Feb 2023, 3:53 pm

Italy are really good, they are making Ireland look a bit ordinary...

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Post by Duty281 Sat 25 Feb 2023, 3:54 pm

This Italy didn't turn up v England, might have been a more interesting game if they had.

Italy should back themselves to beat Wales.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 25 Feb 2023, 3:58 pm

Great game this though that try should put it to bed.

Pierre Bruno has been electric as have Capuozzo and Garbisi as usual.

The Cannone brothers emerging alongside the brilliant Lamaro has really changed the Italy pack.

For Ireland I think Baird is such a terrific second row. Nuts that he's comfortably 4th choice when all are fit.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 25 Feb 2023, 4:03 pm

I’m still a bit annoyed that Varney isn’t playing for Wales. He was good again today.

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Post by majesticimperialman Sat 25 Feb 2023, 4:12 pm

Ireland deserve winners today. but full credit to Italy really made Ireland sweat at times.

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Post by eirebilly_01 Sat 25 Feb 2023, 4:16 pm

Ireland with the TBP win which is great but I felt Italy were well worth the LBP. Such an entertaining side.

I really do hope that we do not see Aki playing for Ireland again. Decent and honest man but just not up to this level for me.

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Post by Unclear Sat 25 Feb 2023, 4:22 pm

Glad to get the win in the end. Can someone please explain why Hansen got the Player of the Match? He was fine and there were no real standouts on the Ireland side for me, but Doris or Van Der Flier were more deserving in my opinion.

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sat 25 Feb 2023, 4:29 pm

king_carlos wrote:Great game this though that try should put it to bed.

Pierre Bruno has been electric as have Capuozzo and Garbisi as usual.

The Cannone brothers emerging alongside the brilliant Lamaro has really changed the Italy pack.

For Ireland I think Baird is such a terrific second row. Nuts that he's comfortably 4th choice when all are fit.
He doesn't have the "grunt" to be an international starter in the 2nd row. It's something he has admitted himself and he's working on it. He's been very good for Leinster in the 6 shirt this year and is a great impact sub in both positions.

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 25 Feb 2023, 4:46 pm

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Collapse2005 wrote:Not a great performance from Ireland so far, entertaining match though.

Not great from Craig Casey either. Come on collapse, let’s see you bleat on about it like you did Liam Williams.

Looked like Casey actually hurt himself. Williams was just acting.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 25 Feb 2023, 4:49 pm

Too much Guinness for you collapse. Not just right now, I’m talking about your whole adult life!

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:04 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Too much Guinness for you collapse. Not just right now, I’m talking about your whole adult life!
Im a teetotaler Mikey

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Post by eirebilly_01 Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:09 pm

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mikey_dragon wrote:Too much Guinness for you collapse. Not just right now, I’m talking about your whole adult life!
Im a teetotaler Mikey

Leave it brother, don't get drawn in thumbsup

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:13 pm

Ah yeah I know, Mikey is harmless enough though.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 25 Feb 2023, 5:24 pm

eirebilly_01 wrote:
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mikey_dragon wrote:Too much Guinness for you collapse. Not just right now, I’m talking about your whole adult life!
Im a teetotaler Mikey

Leave it brother, don't get drawn in thumbsup

You think it’s okay to bleat on about Liam Williams, but not Casey? Williams was taken out. Casey was much worse and the incident didn’t even warrant a penalty.

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Post by carpet baboon Sat 25 Feb 2023, 7:15 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:
eirebilly_01 wrote:
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mikey_dragon wrote:Too much Guinness for you collapse. Not just right now, I’m talking about your whole adult life!
Im a teetotaler Mikey

Leave it brother, don't get drawn in thumbsup

You think it’s okay to bleat on about Liam Williams, but not Casey? Williams was taken out. Casey was much worse and the incident didn’t even warrant a penalty.

But Mikey, you have to remember that Liam Williams has a face everyone wants to slap

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 25 Feb 2023, 7:51 pm

Third to Sexton, who is second to Farrell in the slapable face department though.

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Post by Unclear Sat 25 Feb 2023, 7:58 pm

That's right, you Welsh can't win anything at the moment Run

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 25 Feb 2023, 8:02 pm

Unclear wrote:That's right, you Welsh can't win anything at the moment Run

We know! Can’t even get a ref decision to go our way like we used to.

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Post by Pete330v2 Mon 27 Feb 2023, 9:42 am

Has there been any updates on the Injury situation. I wouldn't be at all confident going forward unless the glaring ommisions can make much needed returns. Ringrose is an obvious one we'll badly need but we're running out of TH options so Furlong's return couldn't happen soon enough. Scotland will be champing at the bit and raring to go, we need bodies back.

On the TH situation, who next up if Furlong's still missing ?  Salanoa ?

Update: I just got the answer as the 42 is reporting the returns of Furlong, Healy, Henshaw, JGP, Sexton and Ringrose. Nice

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Post by Collapse2005 Mon 27 Feb 2023, 2:01 pm

Yeah welcome news alright. We have had a good few injuries however, these days thats fairly standard. Think we did well under the circumstances v Italy and they were also very good but lets not forget we did botch a few tries and gifted them one. I think even with 7 injuries we were still the better side.

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Post by Pete330v2 Mon 27 Feb 2023, 2:51 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:Yeah welcome news alright. We have had a good few injuries however, these days thats fairly standard. Think we did well under the circumstances v Italy and they were also very good but lets not forget we did botch a few tries and gifted them one. I think even with 7 injuries we were still the better side.

What annoyed me about the Italian intercept try was the fact that at half time, 24-10 up and with the lineout the chance was there to leave it like that and go for the half time refreshments. But no, they had to carry on playing for some reason and all of a sudden we're going in 24-17 up which got the Italian tails up and reinforced their belief. The 2 botched tries were very sloppy indeed but all's forgiven now that it's monday and the table's looking good.

Now they've 2 weeks to work out how to stop Finn.

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Post by Collapse2005 Mon 27 Feb 2023, 5:33 pm

Im not that worried about Russell, if our pack dominates theirs we will win. Ireland v Scotland is effectively the trophy match for Ireland because if we win with a BP given points differences Ireland will be too far ahead of everyone else going into the last match. That is unless England hammer France but that is a bit improbable. Despite France's record in Twickenham I expect them to win that one and Ireland to get the win v Scotland without necessarily having it easy at all.

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Post by Unclear Mon 27 Feb 2023, 7:30 pm

Pete330v2 wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:Yeah welcome news alright. We have had a good few injuries however, these days thats fairly standard. Think we did well under the circumstances v Italy and they were also very good but lets not forget we did botch a few tries and gifted them one. I think even with 7 injuries we were still the better side.

What annoyed me about the Italian intercept try was the fact that at half time, 24-10 up and with the lineout the chance was there to leave it like that and go for the half time refreshments. But no, they had to carry on playing for some reason and all of a sudden we're going in 24-17 up which got the Italian tails up and reinforced their belief. The 2 botched tries were very sloppy indeed but all's forgiven now that it's monday and the table's looking good.

Now they've 2 weeks to work out how to stop Finn.

It looks to me that carrying on playing right up to and beyond "time" is a policy decision (or as the youth might say "a thing"). Schmidt seemed to start it. Get a score just before half time, and preferably just after as well, and it sets a tone as well as putting you 10 - 14 points up. On most occasions it has worked well for us, and so I can't really get too worked up.

Good to hear that the injury list seems to be shortening. I wasn't sure who would be the TH on the bench (does J Ryan play that side? I vaguely remember him being in squads in the past). I don't think we should rush Henshaw back, put him on the bench and give him 30 mins and probably the same for JGP. Ringrose hasn't been out long and could go straight back in. Sexton will do whatever he wants ....

I don't like it (see Henshaw and JGP above) but I think Furlong needs to come straight back in as we need to dominate the Scots pack from the start. So a Van der Flier/O'Mahony/Doris back row as well. Ryan paired with Henderson, Porter and either Sheehan or Kelleher whoever doesn't doesn't stub toe or whatever in training. That should do it.

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Post by Collapse2005 Tue 28 Feb 2023, 11:26 am

Something I hadnt realised is that Ross Byrne has actually played more minutes of this years six nations than Jonny Sexton and we are still three wins from three. While I dont think Byrne is at Sexton's level it is comforting that we can do that and still get good results.

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