Wales International Rugby Summer 23 onwards.

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As the pages were going over 20 shortly, I’ve had to start a new thread. This is still the place to discuss the U20s, the women and everything else internationally. Updated RWC 23 squad below.

Forwards (25)

Corey Domachowski (Cardiff Rugby / Caerdydd– uncapped)
Kemsley Mathias (Scarlets – uncapped)
Nicky Smith (Ospreys / Gweilch– 42 caps)
Gareth Thomas (Ospreys /Gweilch – 21 caps)
Elliot Dee (Dragons / Dregiau– 41 caps)
Ryan Elias (Scarlets – 33 caps)
Dewi Lake (Ospreys / Gweilch – 8 caps)
Sam Parry (Ospreys / Gweilch – 5 caps)
Keiron Assiratti (Cardiff Rugby / Caerdydd– uncapped)
Tomas Francis (Ospreys / Gweilch – 71 caps)
Dillon Lewis (Harlequins – 50 caps)
Henry Thomas (Montpellier – uncapped)
Adam Beard (Ospreys / Gweilch– 46 caps)
Ben Carter (Dragons / Dregiau– 9 caps)
Rhys Davies (Ospreys / Gweilch – 2 caps)
Dafydd Jenkins (Exeter Chiefs / Caerwysg – 6 caps)
Will Rowlands (Dragons / Dregiau – 23 caps)
Christ Tshiunza (Exeter Chiefs / Caerwysg – 5 caps)
Teddy Williams (Cardiff Rugby / Caerdydd– uncapped)
Taine Basham (Dragons / Dregiau – 11 caps)
Taulupe Faletau (Cardiff Rugby / Caerdydd – 100 caps)
Dan Lydiate (Dragons / Dregiau – 68 caps)
Jac Morgan (Ospreys / Gweilch – 9 caps)
Tommy Reffell (Leicester Tigers / Caerlŷr– 9 caps)
Aaron Wainwright (Dragons / Dregiau – 37 caps)

Backs (22)

Gareth Davies (Scarlets – 67 caps)
Kieran Hardy (Scarlets – 17 caps)
Tomos Williams (Cardiff Rugby / Caerdydd – 45 caps)
Gareth Anscombe (unattached – 35 caps)
Dan Biggar (Toulon – 107 caps)
Sam Costelow (Scarlets – 2 caps)
Owen Williams (Ospreys / Gweilch – 7 caps)
Mason Grady (Cardiff Rugby / Caerdydd – 2 caps)
Max Llewellyn (Gloucester Rugby / Caerloyw – uncapped)
George North (Ospreys / Gweilch – 113 caps)
Joe Roberts (Scarlets – uncapped)
Nick Tompkins (Saracens – 27 caps)
Johnny Williams (Scarlets – 5 caps)
Keiran Williams (Ospreys / Gweilch – uncapped)
Josh Adams (Cardiff Rugby / Caerdydd – 49 caps)
Alex Cuthbert (Ospreys / Gweilch – 57 caps)
Rio Dyer (Dragons / Dregiau – 7 caps)
Cai Evans (Ospreys/ Gweilch – uncapped)
Leigh Halfpenny (unattached – 99 caps)
Louis Rees-Zammit (Gloucester Rugby / Caerloyw– 25 caps)
Tom Rogers (Scarlets – 2 caps)
Liam Williams (Cardiff Rugby/ Caerdydd – 84 caps)

Score flattered us, Italy were much better. Gatland needs to walk, and please take Howley as I’m fed up of seeing his goblin face.

How long is Gatland's contract?

Heaf wrote:How long is Gatland's contract?

I think it was 6 years at around £600k per year

Edit: or maybe more like £500k. I think.

Oh dear

He’s definitely on 600K. He was with Wales a while and able to negotiate coming back to his existing salary.

As I posted somewhere previously, surely most/all coaching roles will have some sort of sacking clause? I.e. where they can be sacked if they do not perform in the role and therefore the union is not liable to pay off the contract? Yes, if they just decide to part ways and go in a new direction then Gatland would need to be paid off. But teams, unions, businesses surely need some protection if their ‘signing’ (Gatland) turns out to be rubbish?

I believe there was a clause, as Gatland mentioned it after the Argentina loss.

I thought it was a post world cup clause where if Wales thought he wasn't the right man to continue with they could part ways then. They didn't.

He just offered his resignation, Abi and the Gatland brigade said no. I’m completely lost for words.

Saw somewhere that Gatland is in talks with the Waratahs

Collapse2005 wrote:Saw somewhere that Gatland is in talks with the Waratahs

Please let it be true. Why though? They seem to be doing okay at the moment.

Wales were really bad yesterday. For long parts of the game it looked like they didn’t really want to be there. It’s really worrying and I can’t see a way out of this, at the minute. There’s too much negativity around Welsh rugby, with budgets dropping etc.

How can Gatland really suggest he offered his resignation and if it is true, how can it just be dismissed immediately by Tierney? It’s laughable.

mikey_dragon wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:Saw somewhere that Gatland is in talks with the Waratahs

Please let it be true. Why though? They seem to be doing okay at the moment.

Beat the Crusaders and then lost their other games, albeit narrowly the last two weeks. Could be they want a coaching consultant to lend a hand, would allow him to spend more time at home in NZ and exit the mess he finds himself in, in Wales.

Where do Wales look next though? It's not like the regions are throwing out valid options. Down the well trodden route of a Vern Cotter or a Jamie Joseph. A slightly left field choice like Patrice Collazo or Clayton McMillan.

mikey_dragon wrote:He just offered his resignation, Abi and the Gatland brigade said no. I’m completely lost for words.

formerly known as Sam wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:Saw somewhere that Gatland is in talks with the Waratahs

Please let it be true. Why though? They seem to be doing okay at the moment.

Beat the Crusaders and then lost their other games, albeit narrowly the last two weeks. Could be they want a coaching consultant to lend a hand, would allow him to spend more time at home in NZ and exit the mess he finds himself in, in Wales.

Where do Wales look next though? It's not like the regions are throwing out valid options. Down the well trodden route of a Vern Cotter or a Jamie Joseph. A slightly left field choice like Patrice Collazo or Clayton McMillan.

McMillan is a good shout. I always liked Joseph, he might have a large price tag though. There's also Crowley? O'Gara? Most should be cheaper than Gatland and you'd expect them to be less clueless and actually pick the best squad; a squad featuring pro players.

For me the following need to be in the next squad; Tomas Francis, Nicky Smith, Rhys Carre, Dewi Lake, Sam Parry, James Fender, James Ratti, Morgan Morris, Jac Morgan, Gareth Anscombe, Rhys Patchell.

Domachowski, Assiratti, Ryan Elias, Evan Lloyd, all the Scarlets' props, Seb Davies, Teddy Williams, Alex Mann, Keiran Hardy, Sam Costelow, Josh Adams need to be withdrawn.

Eddie.

Eddie is the man for Wales.

mikey_dragon wrote:

formerly known as Sam wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:Saw somewhere that Gatland is in talks with the Waratahs

Please let it be true. Why though? They seem to be doing okay at the moment.

Beat the Crusaders and then lost their other games, albeit narrowly the last two weeks. Could be they want a coaching consultant to lend a hand, would allow him to spend more time at home in NZ and exit the mess he finds himself in, in Wales.

Where do Wales look next though? It's not like the regions are throwing out valid options. Down the well trodden route of a Vern Cotter or a Jamie Joseph. A slightly left field choice like Patrice Collazo or Clayton McMillan.

McMillan is a good shout. I always liked Joseph, he might have a large price tag though. There's also Crowley? O'Gara? Most should be cheaper than Gatland and you'd expect them to be less clueless and actually pick the best squad; a squad featuring pro players.

For me the following need to be in the next squad; Tomas Francis, Nicky Smith, Rhys Carre, Dewi Lake, Sam Parry, James Fender, James Ratti, Morgan Morris, Jac Morgan, Gareth Anscombe, Rhys Patchell.

Domachowski, Assiratti, Ryan Elias, Evan Lloyd, all the Scarlets' props, Seb Davies, Teddy Williams, Alex Mann, Keiran Hardy, Sam Costelow, Josh Adams need to be withdrawn.

Agree mostly, though I'm still out of Costelow - he needs to be given more of a chance.

mikey_dragon wrote:

formerly known as Sam wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:Saw somewhere that Gatland is in talks with the Waratahs

Please let it be true. Why though? They seem to be doing okay at the moment.

Beat the Crusaders and then lost their other games, albeit narrowly the last two weeks. Could be they want a coaching consultant to lend a hand, would allow him to spend more time at home in NZ and exit the mess he finds himself in, in Wales.

Where do Wales look next though? It's not like the regions are throwing out valid options. Down the well trodden route of a Vern Cotter or a Jamie Joseph. A slightly left field choice like Patrice Collazo or Clayton McMillan.

McMillan is a good shout. I always liked Joseph, he might have a large price tag though. There's also Crowley? O'Gara? Most should be cheaper than Gatland and you'd expect them to be less clueless and actually pick the best squad; a squad featuring pro players.

O'Gara won't go anywhere near Wales I wouldn't have thought. He's on a wedge of a contract in La Rochelle and is a favourite to take over Ireland post Farrell.

Crowley feels a bit like yesterday's man. Then again so does Gatland so might be an option for the WRU.

Oakdene wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

formerly known as Sam wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:Saw somewhere that Gatland is in talks with the Waratahs

Please let it be true. Why though? They seem to be doing okay at the moment.

Beat the Crusaders and then lost their other games, albeit narrowly the last two weeks. Could be they want a coaching consultant to lend a hand, would allow him to spend more time at home in NZ and exit the mess he finds himself in, in Wales.

Where do Wales look next though? It's not like the regions are throwing out valid options. Down the well trodden route of a Vern Cotter or a Jamie Joseph. A slightly left field choice like Patrice Collazo or Clayton McMillan.

McMillan is a good shout. I always liked Joseph, he might have a large price tag though. There's also Crowley? O'Gara? Most should be cheaper than Gatland and you'd expect them to be less clueless and actually pick the best squad; a squad featuring pro players.

For me the following need to be in the next squad; Tomas Francis, Nicky Smith, Rhys Carre, Dewi Lake, Sam Parry, James Fender, James Ratti, Morgan Morris, Jac Morgan, Gareth Anscombe, Rhys Patchell.

Domachowski, Assiratti, Ryan Elias, Evan Lloyd, all the Scarlets' props, Seb Davies, Teddy Williams, Alex Mann, Keiran Hardy, Sam Costelow, Josh Adams need to be withdrawn.

Agree mostly, though I'm still out of Costelow - he needs to be given more of a chance.

Not sure. I didn't comment much on Costelow until after this 6N. Given this and the world cup, I think I've seen enough to convince me he isn't an international player. TBH, he's never been amazing or very consistent at Scarlets. I can clearly see a difference between him and Ioan Lloyd. Lloyd seems to have a much higher ceiling and can play in other positions. I also thought Lloyd's form was just slightly better in the 6N, but Gatland did his thing of settling on a player in spite of poor form. Going forward you've got Anscombe, Sheedy and possibly Patchell to come into the equation, and maybe Ben Thomas becomes an option again if Cardiff actually play him at 10.

mountain man wrote:Eddie.

Eddie is the man for Wales.

Surely this against the Geneva Convention under the heading "cruel or unusual punishment"?

North. Ruptured achilies tendon. Ouch

Watching the Glasgow v Cardiff game last night you would have to say Rhys Carre was the best player on the Cardiff side by some distance. He would lokely have been MoM if Cardiff had managed to win, which they almost did!

Seems bonkers he is not playing for Wales?

lostinwales wrote:North. Ruptured achilies tendon. Ouch

Ah that's nasty. Probably back running by August and playing back end of September then.

BigGee wrote:Watching the Glasgow v Cardiff game last night  you would have to say Rhys Carre was the best player on the Cardiff side by some distance. He would lokely have been MoM if Cardiff had managed to win, which they almost did!

Seems bonkers he is not playing for Wales?

That’s bonkers Gatland for you. Nicky Smith should be starting with Carre on the bench.

formerly known as Sam wrote:

lostinwales wrote:North. Ruptured achilies tendon. Ouch

Ah that's nasty. Probably back running by August and playing back end of September then.

Yeah, that’s a tough one to recover from, almost up there with ACL. I thought Tomos Williams had something similar and is out for a while too. Williams, Anscombe and Llewelyn for Glaws will be good.

mikey_dragon wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:I've compiled a list to the best of my knowledge, of our players outside of Wales. It includes those capped and also those WQ. I've looked at England first but haven't bothered with the championship teams.

England

Exeter: Dafydd Jenkins (lock), Christ Tshiunza (lock/back row), Kane James (Back row), Oli Burrows, Iestyn Harris (hooker), Orson James (scrum-half), Iwan Jenkins (fly-half), Joe Hawkins (fly-half, centre),  Dan John, Immanuel Feyi-Waboso (wing).

Harlequins: Jarrod Evans (fly-half), Dillon Lewis (TH prop), Bryn Bradley (centre), Jonny Green (lock), Seb Driscoll (back row).

Bath: Louie Hennssey (centre), Ieuan Davies (scrum-half), Ioan Emmanuel, Archie Griffin (prop).

Saracens: Nick Tompkins (centre), Aled Davies (scrum-half).

Bristol: Callum Sheedy, Jac Lloyd (fly-half), Dan Thomas (back-row), Nick English (prop).

Gloucester: Louis Rees-Zammit (wing), Lloyd Evans (fly-half), Max Llewelyn (centre).

Leicester: Tommy Reffell, Olly Cracknell (back row), Osian Thomas (lock).

Newcastle: Iwan Stephens (wing), Josh Thomas (fly-half).

Sale: Rouban Birch (back-row).

A couple obvious ones I forgot, and couldn't remember who Nye played for.

Bristol: Joe Jenkins (centre).

Gloucester: Josh Hathaway (utility).

Sale: Aneurin Thomas (scrum-half).

We're not really in a position to be 'bringing them home', but suppose if we could then we might have enough pro players for 4 teams.

Northampton: Tom Lockett (lock).

Ioan Jones: Gloucester (back 3).