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Post by mountain man Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:27 pm

Assuming and currently it is quite a big assumption England get through group I can't see them winning QF against whoever they face. Bloody hopeless

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Post by Cumbrian Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:28 pm

Very Happy As if people don't dislike us enough? We don't want to be scoring lucky tries against plucky underdogs!
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Post by Mr Bounce Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:30 pm

Oh dear. Youngs. England's attacking speed slows down by 40%

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Post by Heaf Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:30 pm

Don't worry - still plenty of time to lose

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Post by Heaf Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:32 pm

How was that not a scrum pen to England?

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:33 pm

Kick it away. Kick it away. Kick it away.

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Post by Cumbrian Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:33 pm

To be fair, Japan have been offside all game.
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Post by mountain man Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:33 pm

FFS, attacking and kick it away. Again
Yet again.

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Post by Cumbrian Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:34 pm

How many times have we knocked on or kicked away in good positions? It is maddening.
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Post by Heaf Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:35 pm

And another attack ends in a knock-on - at least they ran it I suppose

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Post by Duty281 Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:35 pm

Japan tiring, but England not yet taking full advantage.

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Post by Cumbrian Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:35 pm

Need to attack this scrum. We should have had a penalty in the last one, we could effectively kill the game if we can get a score here.
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Post by Heaf Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:35 pm

Cumbrian wrote:How many times have we knocked on or kicked away in good positions?  It is maddening.  

Too many to count

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Post by hugehandoff Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:35 pm

commentators say take the positives....it is very hard

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Post by mountain man Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:36 pm

Think he was being sarcastic

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Post by Cumbrian Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:38 pm

I've been of the opinion that this game was a horrendous banana skin and if we could get through it, we should qualify for the next round fairly comfortably.

This is the chance here, five metre scrum when we look like we've got the upper hand.
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Post by formerly known as Sam Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:38 pm

Mr Bounce wrote:Oh dear. Youngs. England's attacking speed slows down by 40%

Sped up actually. Passing accuracy is down though. He's upped the tempo and chasing down the Japanese player from that scrum has got us a 5m scrum. For the first time in a while using his experience to good effect.

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Post by Cumbrian Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:38 pm

Finally! A decent bit of play!
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Post by Heaf Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:39 pm

Finally - a reasonably worked try

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Post by mountain man Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:39 pm

I knew they should kick more ...

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:40 pm

Lol. God its been so bad. Again. But we've won. Probably.

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Post by hugehandoff Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:40 pm

That was decent - very well done

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Post by mountain man Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:40 pm

Right, now a decent lead. Time to break loose

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:44 pm

Attack has been better this half. Admittedly that's a low bar to step over. Those last five mins hints at us actually reaching the heady heights of average level attack. Ford with some quicker ball certainly looks happier.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:46 pm

It's been really bleak Sam.

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Post by mountain man Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:47 pm

Diabolical. England will win but this has been back to warm up bad

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Post by Heaf Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:47 pm

Harder not to score there than score

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Post by hugehandoff Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:47 pm

Proper white line fever

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:48 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:It's been really bleak Sam.

Thank the sweet lord the second has been better than the first half. Mind it would have struggled to be worse. Seeing some of the quality in the other groups we're going home pretty swiftly after the group stage.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:49 pm

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No 7&1/2 wrote:It's been really bleak Sam.

Thank the sweet lord the second has been better than the first half. Mind it would have struggled to be worse. Seeing some of the quality in the other groups we're going home pretty swiftly after the group stage.

Semi final.

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Post by mountain man Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:50 pm

I've said it before but worth repeating, where's this much improved scrum I've been reading about?

Anyone?

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Post by Cumbrian Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:50 pm

We are so profligate in the 22, it won't matter here, but you just know that they would still do this nonsense if it was 9-6.
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Post by Heaf Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:51 pm

not obvious - however should have had a couple of pens but ref refused to give them ...

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Post by Cumbrian Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:52 pm

I guess a positive is that despite the inaccuracy, we've completely dominated the second half. Japan haven't really been able to seriously threaten.
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Post by mountain man Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:52 pm

It's still way below par. And this is Japan, we're not scrumming against SA.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:53 pm

That's a rubbish kick.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:55 pm

Well we move on. Dreadful performance but we come away with a bonus point win somehow.

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Post by Cumbrian Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:55 pm

Good try to finish, see what happens when you play with purpose?
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Post by mountain man Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:55 pm

Bonus point win but that was as much down to Japan running out of steam.
Still a dreadful game I'm sorry to say

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Post by Duty281 Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:57 pm

Blimey, a bonus point.

Very laborious stuff. That highly fortunate try probably broke Japan's spirit, and the humidity eventually sapped Japan's energy, allowing England to put up a flattering margin of victory.

I hope England don't make it to the semis because, on this evidence, the likes of France/SA/NZ/Ire will destroy England by a humiliating margin. Better to have a respectable defeat to Fiji or Aus in the QFs.

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Post by mountain man Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:59 pm

Well going on that, Wales Fiji or even Australia will thrash them in QF.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:59 pm

Got through some phases and finished passably well. Turgid performance but job done.

Mitchell having a shocker and us looking way more composed with Youngs on the field really is not what we need. Concerned the Youngs/Farrell combination might be making a comeback.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:59 pm

We have Farrell to come back in too remember. Think he needs to start either at 10 or 12.

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Post by Cumbrian Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:00 pm

Duty281 wrote:Blimey, a bonus point.

Very laborious stuff. That highly fortunate try probably broke Japan's spirit, and the humidity eventually sapped Japan's energy, allowing England to put up a flattering margin of victory.

I hope England don't make it to the semis because, on this evidence, the likes of France/SA/NZ/Ire will destroy England by a humiliating margin. Better to have a respectable defeat to Fiji or Aus in the QFs.


Don't be daft, how would a defeat to either of those be 'respectable'? Australia are absolutely mince, and whilst I respect the last result, I would expect us to to beat Fiji in a competitive world cup game.
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Post by mountain man Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:01 pm

Trouble is England will beat Chile anyway so whoever is 9 and 10 won't matter.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:01 pm

mountain man wrote:Well going on that, Wales Fiji or even Australia will thrash them in QF.

Nah Wales have been dreadful. There pet ref is English so won't be allowed to help them win undeservedly either.

Our defence looks pretty handy and the set piece game is half decent. Just need to crack the lumbering attacking play.

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Post by mountain man Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:02 pm

Cumbrian wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Blimey, a bonus point.

Very laborious stuff. That highly fortunate try probably broke Japan's spirit, and the humidity eventually sapped Japan's energy, allowing England to put up a flattering margin of victory.

I hope England don't make it to the semis because, on this evidence, the likes of France/SA/NZ/Ire will destroy England by a humiliating margin. Better to have a respectable defeat to Fiji or Aus in the QFs.

Don't be daft, how would a defeat to either of those be 'respectable'?  Australia are absolutely mince, and whilst I respect the last result, I would expect us to to beat Fiji in a competitive world cup game.  

Really? Fiji were excellent whereas England then were frankly awful.

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Post by Cumbrian Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:05 pm

Yes England were awful, but so were Australia, why does one matter but the other doesn't? England have lost to Fiji how many times in the last 100 years? I'm not saying it can't happen, but I'd still back us to win.
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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:05 pm

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mountain man wrote:Well going on that, Wales Fiji or even Australia will thrash them in QF.

Nah Wales have been dreadful. There pet ref is English so won't be allowed to help them win undeservedly either.

Our defence looks pretty handy and the set piece game is half decent. Just need to crack the lumbering attacking play.

Wales are dreadful. Pretty much on our level. I'd prefer to plat them than Fiji or Aus though.

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Post by Geordie Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:07 pm

Well...I can see what they were doing..but implemented poorly, kicked TOO much and Japan aren't as bad as people were suggesting.

Fitness told in the end..and we started to show rhat there actually is some attack there...just Need to see it more.

On to Chile. Less kicking please

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