My Top 50 boxers of all time list

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Harry Greb
5. Henry Armstrong
6. Sugar Ray Leonard
7. Benny Leonard
8. Willie Pep
9. Tommy Hearns
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Lennox Lewis
12. Joe Louis
13. Sam Langford
14. Gene Tunney
15. Ezzard Charles
16. Eder Jofre
17. Stanley Ketchel
18. Jack Johnson
19. Joe Gans
20. Bob Fitzsimmons
21. Roberto Duran
22. Bernard Hopkins
23. Marvin Hagler
24. Jimmy Wilde
25. Manny Pacquiao
26. Ricardo Lopez
27. Archie Moore
28. Barney Ross
29. Tony Canzoneri
30. Oscar De La Hoya
31. Roy Jones Junior
33. Alexis Arguello
33. Aaron Pryor
34. Mickey Walker
35. Sandy Saddler
36. Jake LaMotta
37. Evander Holyfield
38. Carlos Monzon
39. Larry Holmes
40. George Foreman
41. Julio Cesar Chavez
42. Charley Burley
43. Jack Dempsey
44. Michael Spinks
45. Ted Lewis
46. Joe Frazier
47. Salvador Sanchez
48. Erik Morales
49. Don Curry
50. Juan Manuel Marquez

Feel free to criticise my list. Add who you want on the list and who you dont. If im convinced I might change the list. You can also produce your own top 50 list.

Looking over this, larger parts seem fine, but you know full well that no-one is gonna agree with your pick for #1. Knowing this, why not give a little justification for it? Explain why, and perhaps you won't receive the almost inevitable drubbing.

Have to agree with Balti, the list looks fine in general but you have to wonder how much thought you have really given it seeing as you, inevitably, have FMJ at number one.

Don't have the time right this minute to produce a list but your top 10, minus Mayweather and Hearns, actually looks pretty decent.

There will obviously be massive variations on these kinds of lists, and for a brief example, I think you have LaMotta way too high and Charles too low, but in my opinion, without you giving some kind of justification for FMJ been at the top, it all becomes a bit redundant.

I may well be wrong, and I do salute you for producing a list, but I doubt you will find a single poster who thinks FMJ is at number one.

As per usual with these lists, where to start really.

Foreman too low, RJJ way too high, Villa knowhere, no Salvador Sanchez which is probably the most glaring ommission for me. And the poster in question has gone on his usual WUM with the #1 spot.

Will ignore the obvious inflammatory choice of top spot but top of my head Jimmy Mclarnin desersves a place and Charles is way too low IMO

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:Have to agree with Balti, the list looks fine in general but you have to wonder how much thought you have really given it seeing as you, inevitably, have FMJ at number one.

Don't have the time right this minute to produce a list but your top 10, minus Mayweather and Hearns, actually looks pretty decent.

There will obviously be massive variations on these kinds of lists, and for a brief example, I think you have LaMotta way too high and Charles too low, but in my opinion, without you giving some kind of justification for FMJ been at the top, it all becomes a bit redundant.

I may well be wrong, and I do salute you for producing a list, but I doubt you will find a single poster who thinks FMJ is at number one.

Forgot to say, Ricardo Lopez should be in there somewhere. He is one of the best, if not the best, boxers of the last 20 years. The only criteria he can be questioned on is quality of opposition and this stems more from fact that the lighter weights often slip under the radar somewhat. The reality is that he beat everyone in his era, could box, punch, move, he was never off his feet to my knowledge, retired undefeated and made a staggering amount of title defences. He had the lot and if you haven't seen much of him in action, then I urge you to check him out because he was quite simply brilliant, and certainly one of the best fighters of a "recent" vintage. Has to be a shoe-in for me, at the expense of quite a few different names on your list.

rowley wrote:Will ignore the obvious inflammatory choice of top spot but top of my head Jimmy Mclarnin desersves a place and Charles is way too low IMO

Considered Mclarnin Rowley and I will edit the list and put Charles up higher now.

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:Have to agree with Balti, the list looks fine in general but you have to wonder how much thought you have really given it seeing as you, inevitably, have FMJ at number one.

Don't have the time right this minute to produce a list but your top 10, minus Mayweather and Hearns, actually looks pretty decent.

There will obviously be massive variations on these kinds of lists, and for a brief example, I think you have LaMotta way too high and Charles too low, but in my opinion, without you giving some kind of justification for FMJ been at the top, it all becomes a bit redundant.

I may well be wrong, and I do salute you for producing a list, but I doubt you will find a single poster who thinks FMJ is at number one.

Forgot to say, Ricardo Lopez should be in there somewhere. He is one of the best, if not the best, boxers of the last 20 years. The only criteria he can be questioned on is quality of opposition and this stems more from fact that the lighter weights often slip under the radar somewhat. The reality is that he beat everyone in his era, could box, punch, move, he was never off his feet to my knowledge, retired undefeated and made a staggering amount of title defences. He had the lot and if you haven't seen much of him in action, then I urge you to check him out because he was quite simply brilliant, and certainly one of the best fighters of a "recent" vintage. Has to be a shoe-in for me, at the expense of quite a few different names on your list.

Forgot about Ricardo Lopez I will add him in now.

coxy0001 wrote:As per usual with these lists, where to start really.

Foreman too low, RJJ way too high, Villa knowhere, no Salvador Sanchez which is probably the most glaring ommission for me. And the poster in question has gone on his usual WUM with the #1 spot.

Considered them dont have a place on the list for them. Why dont you post your top 50 or 60 who would be ahead of Roy Jones. I would like a good laugh.

Mayweather is too low, otherwise a good list.

One other name that deserves a place is Barbados Joe Walcott, outside of Langford there are few if any fighters with such an impressive record against guys far bigger than themselves

The genius of PBF wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:As per usual with these lists, where to start really.

Foreman too low, RJJ way too high, Villa knowhere, no Salvador Sanchez which is probably the most glaring ommission for me. And the poster in question has gone on his usual WUM with the #1 spot.

Considered them dont have a place on the list for them. Why dont you post your top 50 or 60 who would be ahead of Roy Jones. I would like a good laugh.

Sanchez has to be in there somewhere. Not sure where without going through it again but just take LaMotta out for him at least!

Scottrf wrote:Mayweather is too low, otherwise a good list.

Thanks Scott, for making me laugh on a miserable, grey morning.

Take out RJJ and put Sanchez or Villa in then, both those guys are more deserving of a place than Roy and i'm not sure anyone many would disagree with that.

coxy0001 wrote:Take out RJJ and put Sanchez or Villa in then, both those guys are more deserving of a place than Roy and i'm not sure anyone many would disagree with that.

I have put Sanchez in but Roy Jones deserves a place on the list.

It's p..s poor it really is

Take another jump into the education of boxing fool

I personally would prefer to see these lists done without current boxers listed for the simple reason they all have ample opportunity to add or detract from their legacy. The obvious example is if Manny and Floyd ever fight, have to think on the back of this one of them gets a massive bump and obviously the opposite is true for the loser. Similarly should they never fight, you have to count this against them as they will have failed to establish they are undoubtedly the best of their era.

The genius of PBF wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:Take out RJJ and put Sanchez or Villa in then, both those guys are more deserving of a place than Roy and i'm not sure anyone many would disagree with that.

I have put Sanchez in but Roy Jones deserves a place on the list.

Fine, not getting drawn into that again for all of another 2 weeks so will let it go for the sake of spending another day arguing about it!

Rowley, whilst I agree with your principle, it would have robbed us of this thread. Which is a gem, I'm sure you would agree.

So tell us: whose list did you add Mayweather to the top of?

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:Rowley, whilst I agree with your principle, it would have robbed us of this thread. Which is a gem, I'm sure you would agree.

A price I am willing to pay

Presume you have Prime Mike Tyson in ahead of Nr.1 contender FMJ, maybe as Diamond Champion, Champion Emeritus or Super-Champion?

Too low; Charles, Jofre, Ross, Duran, Moore, Chavez, Walker, Fitzsimmons.

Too high; Mayweather, Hearns, Lennox Lewis, De la Hoya, Holyfield.

Names I'd put in; 'Barbados' Joe Walcott, McLarnin, Villa, Carlos Ortiz, Bivins, Olivares and maybe one or two others.

Names I'd take out; Marquez, Curry, Morales, Frazier, Dempsey, Foreman, La Motta, Pryor, De la Hoya, Lennox Lewis.

Cheers for posting, PBF!

Fists of Fury wrote:Presume you have Prime Mike Tyson in ahead of Nr.1 contender FMJ, maybe as Diamond Champion, Champion Emeritus or Super-Champion?

No blueprint to beat him. Robinson had 19 losses, Ali had 5, how could anyone say Floyd isn't the best?

Ottke had less losses than Ali Scott, pretty happy having Ali above him.

No blueprint to beat Ottke.

88Chris05 wrote:Too low; Charles, Jofre, Ross, Duran, Moore, Chavez, Walker, Fitzsimmons.

Too high; Mayweather, Hearns, Lennox Lewis, De la Hoya, Holyfield.

Names I'd put in; 'Barbados' Joe Walcott, McLarnin, Villa, Carlos Ortiz, Bivins, Olivares and maybe one or two others.

Names I'd take out; Marquez, Curry, Morales, Frazier, Dempsey, Foreman, La Motta, Pryor, De la Hoya, Lennox Lewis.

Cheers for posting, PBF!

No Lopez, Chris?

You know what, Scott, I think you're right. My new revised all time top ten; 1) Floyd Mayweather Jr 2) Joe Calzaghe 3) Sven Ottke 4) Jack McAuliffe 5) Rocky Marciano 6) Terry Marsh 7) Laszlo Papp 8.) Ricardo Lopez 9) Edwin Valero 10) Ike Ibeabuchi.

No plueprint, lads. No blueprint.

Chris, no Tyson Fury? I'm astounded, and rather disaappointed.

Nice list Chris, would be tempted to bump Marsh if only his aim was a bit better. (allegedly)

Quite a bit of effort to say that you really like FMJ.

fearlessBamber wrote:Quite a bit of effort to say that you really like FMJ.

I doubt he wrote the other 49 himself.

88Chris05 wrote:You know what, Scott, I think you're right. My new revised all time top ten; 1) Floyd Mayweather Jr 2) Joe Calzaghe 3) Sven Ottke 4) Jack McAuliffe 5) Rocky Marciano 6) Terry Marsh 7) Laszlo Papp 8.) Ricardo Lopez 9) Edwin Valero 10) Ike Ibeabuchi.

No plueprint, lads. No blueprint.

Poor list. No Pichit Sitbangprachan - IBF Flyweight Champion and rather incredibly, no Benjamin Brain - English Bareknuckle Heavyweight Champion.


WUM

fearlessBamber wrote:Quite a bit of effort to say that you really like FMJ.

He really, 'really likes' him...........

Scottrf wrote:

fearlessBamber wrote:Quite a bit of effort to say that you really like FMJ.

I doubt he wrote the other 49 himself.

No doubt.

Weird juxtaposition of man-crush and a decent list.

88Chris05 wrote:You know what, Scott, I think you're right. My new revised all time top ten; 1) Floyd Mayweather Jr 2) Joe Calzaghe 3) Sven Ottke 4) Jack McAuliffe 5) Rocky Marciano 6) Terry Marsh 7) Laszlo Papp 8.) Ricardo Lopez 9) Edwin Valero 10) Ike Ibeabuchi.

No plueprint, lads. No blueprint.

There was a guy someone found, on the boxrec thread, who had a record of 0-0-0. SURELY he should be on here..?

BALTIMORA wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:You know what, Scott, I think you're right. My new revised all time top ten; 1) Floyd Mayweather Jr 2) Joe Calzaghe 3) Sven Ottke 4) Jack McAuliffe 5) Rocky Marciano 6) Terry Marsh 7) Laszlo Papp 8.) Ricardo Lopez 9) Edwin Valero 10) Ike Ibeabuchi.

No plueprint, lads. No blueprint.

There was a guy someone found, on the boxrec thread, who had a record of 0-0-0. SURELY he should be on here..?

I hope so Balti because that is my current record, both amateur and pro.

rowley wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:You know what, Scott, I think you're right. My new revised all time top ten; 1) Floyd Mayweather Jr 2) Joe Calzaghe 3) Sven Ottke 4) Jack McAuliffe 5) Rocky Marciano 6) Terry Marsh 7) Laszlo Papp 8.) Ricardo Lopez 9) Edwin Valero 10) Ike Ibeabuchi.

No plueprint, lads. No blueprint.

There was a guy someone found, on the boxrec thread, who had a record of 0-0-0. SURELY he should be on here..?

I hope so Balti because that is my current record, both amateur and pro.

Come to think of it Rowley, it's mine too. I had never considered myself as a top 50 P4P'r but perhaps I am doing myself an injustice.

Although saying that, I think I may have lost a clear cut decision to my older brother about 25 years ago in the living room so he must have my blueprint.

Basically has the same list as most with all the old timers there except Mayweather has been put to the top. I'm suprised there aren't more modern boxers there.

No McCallum? mmmm. Obviously i knew Mayweather would be number 1, never seen comments so bias, worse than d4, far worse. I have no doubt you DON'T think Mayweather's number 1 but put it for a WUM, Baltimora, Coxy, etc i wouldn't try and debate why Mayweather's number 1, he could get knocked out by Ortiz, then again in a rematch, then by Hatton coming out of retirement and he'd still rate him number 1. No i'm not obsessed either before the predictable rage fuelled response comes back ....But no McCallum haha?, Leonard number 7 and Mayweather number 1, wins over Hatton, Castillo, Baldomir, Judah don't come near to wins over Duran, Hearns, Benitez and Hagler. Also placing him above the best ever in Sugar Ray Robinson and Ali is plain ignorance,

Such obsessive rage there, Towzer...

Such obsessive rage there, Towzer... zen
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haha it's what i'll get called for having an opinion on the list though Balti, if he walked up to Burt Sugar, other experts and presented him with that list, burt would refer him back to the Mentalist unit

Almost as bad saying Cotto is on the same level as Arguello or Hatton would beat Pryor, mental unit for you too then

Ali
Robinson
Armstrong
Leonard
Greb
Pep
Saddler
Langford
B Leonard
Hopkins
Charles
Mayweather
Duran
Chavez
jones jr
Fitzsimmons
Burley
Jofre
whittaker
Arguello

Top 20 or so for me..

Nice list but no way Duran is below Floyd for me. Nor should Hopkins beat Charles. Mind you - probably the right people, just in the wrong order. And Wilde instead of Arguello (but that's just personal preference).

Mayweather for me comes before a guy rolled like a bum......end of.

Take Leonard out of the equation who fought the wrong fight and Duran's cv looks a lot less appetising..

People forget that when Leonard "boxed" he quit like a dog.

No better than Mayweather's who's beaten 4 top 10 at the time p4pers..

Two of whom were Marquez and Hatton, said before that Mamby rates higher as a light welterweight than the Hitman so the win isn't as good, as for Marquez the less said about the reasons why that isn't a defining win the better.

You can try and alter history all you want Truss but Duran beat Leonard fair and square which is a far far better win than anything Mayweather has achieved or could possibly hope to achieve

Hmm. Buchanan, deJesus, Leonard (because you NEVER take 1 fight out the equation - take ODLH out and Floyd looks average), Barkley at 38. As well as a host of wins like Kobayashi, Ishimatsu, Mamby and Marcel - all of which are at the least the equal and realistically superior to Baldomir. And Hatton147. And not fighting Tszyu but fighting Gatti instead.

Didn't realise you held the "0" as so sacrosanct.

skill, longevity, titles........all Floydy.....

Hatton - unbeaten, Marquez, Mosley, DelaHoya.etc etc etc.....11 years at the top "unbeaten.."

benitez, Laing, Sims, Dejesus, Hearns (murdered),Leonard when he didn't BRAWL....

He got a gift against Barkley the same guy who had 4 defeats against garbage and lost 9-0 to Toney and was being hammered off Hearns before the lottery win...

Lets just highlight Durans losses when he was fighting considerably bigger men, he was barely a Welterweight let alone above that

Kobayashi, Marcel, De Jesus, Buchanan, Ishimatsu, Mamby, Palomino, Cuevas, Moore, Barkley and Castro is more than a match for Mayweathers list of wins