England vs India 1st test debate

by Guest Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:17 pm

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Liam_Main wrote: England side:

1) Andrew Strauss (C)
2) Alistair Cook
3) Jonathan Trott
4) Kevin Pietersen
5) Ian Bell
6) Eoin Morgan
7) Matt Prior (WK)
8) Stuart Broad
9) Graeme Swann
10) Chris Tremlett
11) James Anderson

India side.

1) Abhinav Makund
2) Gautam Gambhir
3) Rahul Dravid (WK)
4) Sachin Tendulkar
5) VVS Laxman
6) Suresh Raina
7) MS Dhoni (C)
8) Harbhajan Singh
9) Zaheer Khan
10) Praveen Kumar
11) Ishant Sharma

Should be a terrific match and series!

My Prediction: England to win

Series Prediction: 1-1

C'mon England!

by alfie Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:00 pm

Good bowling from Broad keeps Raina at the other end - Jimmy to have a go at Kumar ...cue bouncers?

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:01 pm

hodge wrote:
alfie wrote:I don't care about the UDRS ...that was just very bad umpiring . Was as obvious as the earlier one , not surprised Broad is going off...needs to keep his head.

Come on England !

agree about bad umpiring, however with hawkeye not allowed for LBW when the umpire says its hit the bat when it clearly hasn't hot spot or just up to the 3rd umpire should be allowed to say that it hasnt hit

Well this was the big question if it gets asked the other way ... you cant appeal saying it was an edge keep me in...but if you get "caught" off the pad you can appeal it, but cant be given out lbw from that which again highlights the silliness of the current situation.

Hotspot shows no hit, although Im not 100% sure of the reliability of that snicko agrees this time (unlike the catch earlier which should have been given) and it didnt even look close.

by hodge Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:02 pm

good confident calling is always nice to see Smile

by dummy_half Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:06 pm

PSW
The referral system is a mess for this series isn't it?

What happens if a batsman is given out to a bat-pad catch but refers it and it is decided there is no contact with the bat but he'd have been out LBW? Does the on field umpire have the authority to change his decision to out LBW if his on-field decision of out caught is over-ruled?

SUrely if you are going to use the technology to help with the decision making, it has to be applicable to all the ways of being given out where an element of judgement is involved.

by dyrewolfe Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:09 pm

Nice!

I go away for a while and 2 wickets fall.

Anderson on a 5-for now after getting Singh. Tremlett helping England's cause by geting Dhoni - another big wicket gone cheaply. Just Raina holding it together for India now, but with England now well into the tail you sense its just a matter of time now...

by **Pal Joey** Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:11 pm

Bowled him!

by Guest Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:12 pm

Vindication for Broady!

by alfie Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:13 pm

Dead right there dummy_half.

It would be ridiculous in the case you mention but he probably wouldn't.

Don't need umpires for that though : stumps everywhere !!

Well bowled Broad Yahoo

by Guest Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:14 pm

He's replied wonderfully to his critics this test.

by Liam_Main Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:14 pm

Only 2 to go!

Terrific delivery from Broad.

by **Pal Joey** Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:15 pm

How did that miss?...so close.

by msp83 Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:16 pm

Ishant Sharma, India's manfriday will save it for us!!!. come on Ish!. anyways, this one is gone, first decision for the next match, drop Harbhajan Singh even if that means India will have to play with just 10 player!.

by **Pal Joey** Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:17 pm

Yes!!!! 5fer for Jimmy!

by alfie Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:17 pm

Review time! But no edge ...

Anderson bowling well though ...go for the kill Jimmy

GOT HIM !!!!

Fat lady singing

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:17 pm

Limited DRS is helping India out today but at least on that one it was giving a correct decision.

Surely they cant blow it from here!

Oh wait there he goes bang

by Guest Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:17 pm

GONE!!!

by hodge Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:17 pm

by liverbnz Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:17 pm

And that's probably that.

by Liam_Main Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:17 pm

Anderson you beauty only 1 to go!

by Guest Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:17 pm

Start the car!

by dummy_half Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:18 pm

PSW

Yep, lets take away any risk of umpiring decisions or controvery over the referral system limitations, and just re-arrange the batsman's stumps Very Happy

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:19 pm

Not bad for village green bowlers, i think we should archive some of lebrons comments from the original thread

conspicuous with his absence!

by alfie Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:20 pm

Top bowling - Jimmy was a bit off the boil in first innings but here he's showing why he is better than any other current quick bar Steyn...

Well played Raina also clap

by eirebilly Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:20 pm

India hanging on for dear life.

Should be a great test win for England. To take 20 Indian wickets in 2 days play is sensational.

by msp83 Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:21 pm

Here come Ishant, will Zaheer give him enough support? Ish, have you heard of Graeme Onions?

by Guest Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:22 pm

Buffet bowlers.
Sachin will take our mediocre attack to the cleaners.
Swanny and his pies.

Humble pie headed his way, England have been fantastic!

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:23 pm

Cant beleive this ICC rule about no runners coming in, ridiculous. Khan would be forced to come out and make his injury worse...or ruin the climax by just throwing in the towel. Dont like it.

by Liam_Main Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:24 pm

GAME OVER!!

by hodge Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:24 pm

YES ENGLAND!!!!

Yahoo

by Guest Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:24 pm

GAME OVER!!!!!!!!!!!

clap

by screamingaddabs Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:24 pm

by eirebilly Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:24 pm

Thats it, congrats England

by alfie Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:24 pm

Nearly 6 for Jimmy - but one left for Broad now?

(Another victory for the "4 bowlers" system by the way...

ALL OUT !!!!! Plumb enough even for Billy Very Happy

by **Pal Joey** Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:25 pm

Great win for England... India played bravely but England were dominant.

by eirebilly Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:25 pm

Thanks MSP3 as well for being one of the most balanced Indian posters its been my pleasure to come across. Hard luck today mate but India will be back.

by Guest Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:26 pm

Fantastic test! Fantastic banter!

The doubters can't make any excuses!

by Guest Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:27 pm

eirebilly wrote:Thanks MSP3 as well for being one of the most balanced Indian posters its been my pleasure to come across. Hard luck today mate but India will be back.

I agree.

Very refreshing!

by msp83 Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:27 pm

He hasn't heard of him clearly!. India lost another first test, that has been the pattern with this Indian team, England expect a thumping next time around!!.

by Liam_Main Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:27 pm

Best English test since 05 would anyone agree?

by Gregers Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:27 pm

What a performance, Broad brilliant.

by hodge Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:28 pm

Liam_Main wrote:Best English test since 05 would anyone agree?

quite possibly, although i enjoyed a few of the England Vs Aus in 09 of course Very Happy

by eirebilly Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:29 pm

Its getting pretty standar for India to lose a first test in a series so they will be back.
Lets just hope that they have a bit more luck with injuries and illness.

Looking forward to round 2 now Very Happy

by Duty281 Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:30 pm

YES! Well done England! Yahoo

Let's not underestimate this win either (not that I think we will!). Stuck in on a cloudy first day we rode it out and bowled the Indians out twice on a flattish deck! I love you Jimmy A! And let's not forget Broad who could have had another wicket or two. Plus Pietersen and Prior - superb batting from them! Let's take the momentum into the 2nd test on Friday!

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:30 pm

decalring twice after the losing the toss, getting the poo end of the umpireing, strike bowler carrying an injury ...and still beat the best side in teh world by a big big margin.

Underprepared India hammered by in game injuries aside, they are the real deal. The only weak link in the side is the support bowling. 6 batsmen who deserve a place, best keeper in tests, good spinner, 3 good seamers. Good fieldng unit, seem strong mentaly too.

India will be very down after that, tough choices on the side to make. If Zaheers unfit then the Sreesanth comes in ...possibly change Bhaji too?

by Carrotdude Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:30 pm

What a fantastic Test match! England did so well to bowl out this Indian line up on what is still effectively a pretty flat pitch as it always is at Lords, even on a 5th day pitch. Stuart Broad has stood up and answered his critics in brilliant fashion. The Prior/Broad partnership yesterday was my highlight, England teams gone by would have been skittled out for 100 after being 60 for 5, nowadays they have such a fighting spirit that you just don't expect it anymore. Brilliant stuff!

by alfie Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:32 pm

Top performance to bowl India out twice on a flattish pitch.

But we should keep in mind India were very unlucky with injuries in this game.

No way we can assume it will be easy in the remaining Tests ... have to stay switched on as they were (mostly!) in this match.

Who gets Man of Match? KP? Broad? Prior?

by Stellar Key Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:34 pm

Very proud of the england side today. I hope this excellent win is just the start for them in this test series.

by hodge Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:34 pm

potentially just 1 more win though to win by 2 in the series, big mental advantage to England now, India have to win 2/3 to win the series now

by msp83 Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:35 pm

eirebilly wrote:Thanks MSP3 as well for being one of the most balanced Indian posters its been my pleasure to come across. Hard luck today mate but India will be back.

Thanks billy, I surely hope India repeats their overseas series pattern, and get one over England. But at the home of cricket, England was the better sie, and they deserved every bit of the win. unfortunate for India that India's their 3 and a half bowling unit(Harbhajan is a bit of a mottivater and batter than a bowler these days) lost its leader, in the middle of a wonderful spel. It took time for Ishant to adjust to the conditions, and by that time the overworked Praveen Kumar couldn't summon enough to back him up.

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:36 pm

Liam_Main wrote:Best English test since 05 would anyone agree?

Quite possibly. The 05 Ashes was something special for those of us who wathed cricket through the dark years when England really stank. Getting a victory then was so special, doubly so after seeing all the hope seemingkly dashed by Australia pasting us in the first test. It really didnt seem possible to wn the second test after that.
The first test in Australia too was a crackers one, again an element of "I have never seen an England side do this" crept in.

Look at the game here the last time India came and England blew a similar chance. I was more confident in England this time becuase they have consitently blasted out all kinds of opposition in recent tests but even so there were times it seemed they could let the situation slip.
KP, Prior, Broad, Anderson all really stood up. Buzzing!

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