England Euro 2012 squad

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England squad for Euro 2012:

Goalkeepers: Joe Hart (Man City), Rob Green (West Ham), John Ruddy (Norwich)

Defenders: Glen Johnson (Liverpool), Phil Jones (Man United), John Terry (Chelsea), Joleon Lescott (Man City), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Ashley Cole (Chelsea), Leighton Baines (Everton)

Midfielders: Theo Walcott (Arsenal), Stewart Downing (Liverpool), Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (Arsenal), Steven Gerrard (Liverpool), Gareth Barry (Man City), Frank Lampard (Chelsea), Scott Parker (Tottenham), Ashley Young (Man United), James Milner (Man City)

Forwards: Wayne Rooney (Man United), Danny Welbeck (Man United), Andy Carroll (Liverpool), Jermain Defoe (Tottenham)

Standby players: Jack Butland (Birmingham City), Phil Jagielka (Everton), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Adam Johnson (Manchester City), Daniel Sturridge (Chelsea).

someone please get a time machine so we can slap Roy in the face for his choices!

Is Lennon still injured then?

Crouch? Plenty of international experience, and a great scoring record at international level. Deserves his spot ahead of any of the three other strikers besides Rooney (in fact, considering Rooney's going to be missing the first two matches, he probably deserves his spot ahead of Rooney too).

sodhat wrote:

Electric Demon wrote:Carroll will score 3 goals at the tournament, and shove a pineapple in everyone's mouths I reckon.

He's already scored against France for England...

I like him, I would have taken him over Holt and Crouch too, and I've been impressed by his work rate and the way he holds the ball as well as winning it in the air.

Carroll is a beast on his day. If you watch him and how he gets in the air compared to Crouch he gives very few free kicks away. I would take him happily. If he shows the determination he has for Liverpool the last 5 or 6 games then he'llbe an asset, and it's no coincidence that his upturn in form has coincided with Gerrards return to the fold.

That's from a Newcastle fan who thinks he's a dirty gypo!

"taken a lot of thought and thinking time"

copied n pasted much Roy?

Gerrard as captain too....weird

Uryu Ishida wrote:"taken a lot of thought and thinking time"

copied n pasted much Roy?

Gerrard as captain too....weird

where did you hear this from? Shocking decision if true...

live press conference

bbc website :P

Downing? Brilliant selection - no goals and - more pertinently - no assists in the Premier league in this last season.
Very little pace in the midfield - Parker, Millner, Barry and Lampard are not exactly the speediest.
Very limited in attack unless the midfielders get the goals. Welbeck is promising but inexperienced, Rooney cant play until the third game and Carroll had a poor season until right at the end.
Hart in goal looks OK, though !

Uryu Ishida wrote:"taken a lot of thought and thinking time"

copied n pasted much Roy?

Gerrard as captain too....weird

Is that confirmed?

If so it confirms Terry has NO PLACE in the squad as he can't be there for his leadership qualities which is the only thing going for him based on his appalling form this season.

Apparently Greece won the Euro's with an even worse squad than the one England have been left with!

There is hope!

Bob Hope

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Uryu Ishida wrote:"taken a lot of thought and thinking time"

copied n pasted much Roy?

Gerrard as captain too....weird

Is that confirmed?

If so it confirms Terry has NO PLACE in the squad as he can't be there for his leadership qualities which is the only thing going for him based on his appalling form this season.

Roy said it himself 5 mins ago

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Steven Gerrard will captain England at Euro 2012. England manager Roy Hodgson: "I know him as a player and a person and how committed he is to the England cause. He will help me build the team unity and environment we need to thrive in a tournament."

yeah just seen it confirmed on the BBC page. I refer you to one of my previous posts: shouldn't be in the team, hasn't done well at all as England captain in the past, but at least he's popular with the media (McNulty must be happy...)

*grabs my Clue Stick and starts beating Mr Hodgson around the head with it*

Uryu Ishida wrote:*grabs my Clue Stick and starts beating Mr Hodgson around the head with it*

do you have a spare?

Gerrard Captain.

*points to the pile of them*

Stewart Downing is arguably the best crosser of the ball available to England.
Ashley Young is maybe the best.
With Downing a close second.
He's a creative player with a good cross
Arguably the best in the squad
I think its a good decision to take him. It's how you think an individual will operate within the England team, not how they operate for their club.

TSC wrote:Goalkeepas: Hart, Green, Ruddy

Defence: Baines, Cahill, Cole, Johnson, Jones, Lescott, Terry

Midfield: Barry, Downing, Gerrard, Lampard, Milner, The Ox, Parker, Walcott, Young

Strikers: Carroll, Defoe, Rooney, Welbeck

Stand-by: Butland, Jagielka, Henderson, Adam Johnson, Sturridge

Not terrible, although as always a few questionable selections.

Keepers - Hart is clear no 1, so the others are only there in case of injury. With Robinson and Foster making themselves unavailable, it's about as good a choice of back-ups as any.

LB - Cole and Baines pick themselves

RB - Is RIchards carrying an injury? If not, I can't understand how Glen Johnson gets selected ahead of him. Phil Jones is a good squad selection, as is Smalling (covering RB, CB and in Jones case also CM)

CB - A bit more controversial. Cahill is an easy pick, but I don't get Lescott and Terry ahead of Jagielka. I can only assume Ferdinand isn't considered fit enough.

CM - Too conservative a selection, in picking 4 30+ guys who have achieved little for England in the past. I'm not too unhappy with Parker being there, although his form in the second half of the season fell away, and one of Gerrard or Lampard should be included - a coin toss for me as to which one. Barry though... OK, so Wilshire is injured, but surely we have better ball-playing midfielders available (Carrick for one).

Wide midfield - Only reason I can think of for including Downing is that he is the only left footed left sided player available with any international experience (Adam Johnson tends to play wide right). Otherwise, seems a reasonable selection - The Ox deserves a chance, Walcott's pace and ability to play through the middle is helpful, and Ashley Young is a decent player on either flank (although his last England experience playing as a withdrawn forward was a major failure).

Forwards - Really shows what a paucity of selection options there are. Rooney clearly is a class player and has to be included despite his suspension. Beyond that though, it's a bit of a lottery. Defoe I assume is there because of his international experience and that he could be useful off the bench if we need something a bit different. Carroll was a selection that was between him, Crouch and Holt as the big man up front - improving form in the last part of the season and his better pace and mobility probably make Carroll the best choice. Welbeck - for me, he's getting picked because he plays for Man U rather than because he's good enough. Interesting that there are only 4 centre forwards in the squad, which suggests we may well be intending to play with only one up front, which for me would be Carroll in the first couple of matches and Rooney once his suspension ends.

Electric Demon wrote:Stewart Downing is arguably the best crosser of the ball available to England.
Ashley Young is maybe the best.
With Downing a close second.
He's a creative player with a good cross
Arguably the best in the squad
I think its a good decision to take him. It's how you think an individual will operate within the England team, not how they operate for their club.

and yet with Carroll, a good header of the ball, in his team, he's managed a grand total of 0 assists from 36 appearances this season

Mad for Chelsea wrote:

Electric Demon wrote:Stewart Downing is arguably the best crosser of the ball available to England.
Ashley Young is maybe the best.
With Downing a close second.
He's a creative player with a good cross
Arguably the best in the squad
I think its a good decision to take him. It's how you think an individual will operate within the England team, not how they operate for their club.

and yet with Carroll, a good header of the ball, in his team, he's managed a grand total of 0 assists from 36 appearances this season

BRING BACK BECKHAM!!!

well Beckham at least could cross a ball

With all that crossing ability, you'd figure at least 1 would've ended up in the goal last year.

Mad for Chelsea wrote:well Beckham at least could cross a ball

lets trend it!

Electric Demon wrote:Stewart Downing is arguably the best crosser of the ball available to England.
Ashley Young is maybe the best.
With Downing a close second.
He's a creative player with a good cross
Arguably the best in the squad
I think its a good decision to take him. It's how you think an individual will operate within the England team, not how they operate for their club.

WHAT??!!?!?!?!!?

36 appearances 0 assists is NOT the best crosser available to England.

Young has 6 goals and 7 assists in 25 league appearances.

Adam Johnson has 6 goals and 2 assists despite playing almost exclusively as a sub all season!

Stats are for morons. They mean nothing. This isn't Championship Manager.

You can see with your own bloody eyes that he can cross the ball excellently.

English players with more assists and goals this season than Downing:

Micah Richards: 1 goal, 6 assists

i would have took sturridge, holt and johnson.

CF wrote:i would have took sturridge, holt and johnson.

don't leave us hanging CF, tell us instead of who you would have taken them

Beckham has 11 apps, 4 assistants and 1 goal!

Electric Demon wrote:Stats are for morons. They mean nothing. This isn't Championship Manager.

You can see with your own bloody eyes that he can cross the ball excellently.

Stats tell a story, you apparently can't read.

Beckham for England!

I can saw with my own bloody eyes that he was crap all season.

Can't beat his man, no pace, and his service was not good.

Rooney, carroll and downing..

Rooney because he's banned for two games and he was stupid enough to kick out at that player knowing full well of the rules and that he would have been sent off..

Caroll is dreadful.

Downing is dreadful.

Graeme Swann's Cat wrote:English players with more assists and goals this season than Downing:

Micah Richards: 1 goal, 6 assists

matt tubbs
hell even heskey scored 1 this year

Maybe Richard's refuses to play with Terry where as Cole, Lescott and Johnson don't care enough.

He should take Anton Ferdinand just to see what happens.

I'd have been tempted to have taken Rickie Lambert.

King Beer wrote:Maybe Richard's refuses to play with Terry where as Cole, Lescott and Johnson don't care enough.

He should take Anton Ferdinand just to see what happens.

I think we all know what would happen.

He'd sleep with his wife.

im suprised antony pilkington wasnt mention, of what ive seen he has been brill for that norfolk team

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Electric Demon wrote:Stats are for morons. They mean nothing. This isn't Championship Manager.

You can see with your own bloody eyes that he can cross the ball excellently.

Stats tell a story, you apparently can't read.

Stats can tell any story you want to hear.
Which one matters more - 22 shots to 1, or 1 goal to nil?
Same story, different stat, different story.

If you just watch football, not numbers, you'll see he's a quality crosser of the ball.

Liverpool put in more crosses than any other team in the Premier League

STAT!

Hero wrote:I'd have been tempted to have taken Rickie Lambert.

When Rickie comes into the PL and has a better season than Holt, everyone will bang on about "Lambert for England". I guarantee it.

Hero wrote:I'd have been tempted to have taken Rickie Lambert.

I wouldn't, not good enough by quite a bit.

Hero wrote:I'd have been tempted to have taken Rickie Lambert.

Good shout, but same argument as Holt, his age.

They should really do a 'B' fixture. Give some of the peripheral figures a chance to make a final claim. Guy's like Holt, Lambert, Rhodes, Ameobi.....

ameobi

Electric Demon wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Electric Demon wrote:Stats are for morons. They mean nothing. This isn't Championship Manager.

You can see with your own bloody eyes that he can cross the ball excellently.

Stats tell a story, you apparently can't read.

Stats can tell any story you want to hear.
Which one matters more - 22 shots to 1, or 1 goal to nil?
Same story, different stat, different story.

If you just watch football, not numbers, you'll see he's a quality crosser of the ball.

Liverpool put in more crosses than any other team in the Premier League

STAT!

dont mean ther good crosses

Graeme Swann's Cat wrote:

Hero wrote:I'd have been tempted to have taken Rickie Lambert.

I wouldn't, not good enough by quite a bit.

Really? And how many Southampton games have you seen in the last 2 years?

CF wrote:ameobi

+1

A few this season. Not so many the year before. Holt was always going to be ahead of him anyway.

Lallana on the other hand would've been a shot.

King Beer wrote:

Hero wrote:I'd have been tempted to have taken Rickie Lambert.

Good shout, but same argument as Holt, his age.

They should really do a 'B' fixture. Give some of the peripheral figures a chance to make a final claim. Guy's like Holt, Lambert, Rhodes, Ameobi.....

We (Scotland) have Rhodes now!! Mwahahaha.