Khan vs Peterson- I'm fed up!

I am totally fed up of people discussing the Khan vs. Peterson fight like he lost convincingly or got KO'd.

Drugs or no drugs, Khan went to Peterson's backyard and lost a close split decision. Despite the fact Khan had Peterson on the floor and should of scored another knock down but wasnt given it.

Khan also was given a point deduction for pushing, rightly of wrongly is debatable however, if he wasn't given this he would of won the fight!!

End of story and good grief- people need to watch the fight before claiming he was schooled by Peterson.

Close fight, I thought Khan just nicked it but it was his own fault he lost, he snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

I had Khan a point up at the end, but it was that close where either way doesn't bother me. Peterson did show Khan's flaws in all their glory though, Garcia added the finishing touches

Thought he was pretty unlucky to lose what was altogether a fairly strange fight. I would expect him to win a rematch handily to be honest.

I see a rematch going to Peterson. Khan just isn't strong enough and had Peterson done what he done from the beginning, then no knockdowns and no losing early rounds.

Sittingringside, did Khan's showing against Diaz bring you to that conclusion?

Hello? You missed the main talking point of that fight.

Peterson was on PEDs. He cheated. In my book Khan didn't lose that fight. Despite the deductions I had him winning by a round and most importantly his opponent had an unfair advantage via the use of PEDs. It irritates me that people are so willing to overlook this little matter, as if it had no bearing whatsoever on the result. Peterson, the dirty, nasty cheating rodent was taking PEDs leading up to the fight and for me, in such a dangerous sport as boxing, that's disgraceful and inexcusable. Whatever your feelings about Khan, there can be no condolence or ambivalence about this.



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Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:I see a rematch going to Peterson. Khan just isn't strong enough and had Peterson done what he done from the beginning, then no knockdowns and no losing early rounds.

Sittingringside, did Khan's showing against Diaz bring you to that conclusion?

I think I am mainly basing that opinion on the first fight, which I thought Khan was pretty unlucky to lose. I don't think we can take it for granted that Peterson would be able to assert himself in that manner from the off, Khan tends to come out of the blocks pretty quickly. It was a close fight so I think you've certainly got a valid point, but I would still back Khan in a rematch.

I scored it for Khan by one point. Considering that the main part of Peterson's success came from relentless pressure, I have no doubt that those testosterone pellets were a real advantage to him. Disgraceful that the result still stands to be honest. That's not to mention the two point deductions (although I think Khan deserved at least one, if not two).

Saying that, it was another one of those occasions where Khan was 'found out' a bit. He struggles with being pressured and he can't fight (particularly in a defensive fashion) on the inside. Remember those uppercuts he was eating? I think that's why he gets some stuff held against him....because cheating or no, Peterson found a way to really get to him.

I'd still back Khan in a rematch against a non-drugged up Peterson.

How was Khan not schooled?

Peterson put on a pressure fighter performance, Khan did not have the skill set to deal with such tactics hence the pushing.

Peterson rocked Khan a few times and was elbowed as Khan pushed him down for the knock down.

Clear enough for me.

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:How was Khan not schooled?

Peterson put on a pressure fighter performance, Khan did not have the skill set to deal with such tactics hence the pushing.

Peterson rocked Khan a few times and was elbowed as Khan pushed him down for the knock down.

Clear enough for me.

Pretty loose definition of the word 'schooled'. There was one point in the fight either way!

Peterson cheated and so the "win" shouldn't count in any case. He should also have been banned for life.

Khan took a good hiding despite keeping it close on the cards. Could that have affected him against Diaz? What about long-term?

Yea ONETWO, I dont think it was a schooling. More an eye opener for Khan which should have taught him not to be so silly sometimes in the ring.

Instead he reverted straight back to type within 3 rounds against Garcia and got read and threw away like an old playboy mag.

Taking the PEDs issue out of the equation, I think Peterson won the fight.

Khan was warned about his antics and ignored those warnings. With the points deducted, I put Peterson ahead.

People who claim it was a home decision, arent looking at it from a neutral point of view.

It was a close fight and the point deductions tipped it in Petersons favour.

I actually thought the sky sports commentators got it right with the scoring and the point deduction at the end was what seperated them! I'm still bewildered why Peterson kept the belt and the fight still stands! What was the outcome out the pellet investigation!

The pushing tho I agreed with the point deduction if you watch the khan Diaz fight the ref warns him very early on about it! In the Peterson fight he pushed a lot

All Time Great wrote:I am totally fed up of people discussing the Khan vs. Peterson fight like he lost convincingly or got KO'd.

Drugs or no drugs, Khan went to Peterson's backyard and lost a close split decision. Despite the fact Khan had Peterson on the floor and should of scored another knock down but wasnt given it.

Khan also was given a point deduction for pushing, rightly of wrongly is debatable however, if he wasn't given this he would of won the fight!!

End of story and good grief- people need to watch the fight before claiming he was schooled by Peterson.

1. Yet to see anyone saying Khan got smashed, almost everyone (incl. me) just says it was a v close fight.

2. Wrong. One of those was a clear slip so never an knockdown. Ironically I think Khan didn't get the one he should have but did get the one he shouldn't, so overall fair.

3. Felt Khan was hard done by here, but it was by the book. Even excluding the 2 (not 1) point deductions I still only had Khan ahead by 1 point. It was simply a very close fight between a guy who struggles with in your face pressure fighters and a swarmer juiced up to the eyeballs!!

Said on another thread, I think Peterson should have been stripped (IBF hang your head), banned (min 2 yrs) and the decision changed to a NC.

Boxtthis wrote:

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:How was Khan not schooled?

Peterson put on a pressure fighter performance, Khan did not have the skill set to deal with such tactics hence the pushing.

Peterson rocked Khan a few times and was elbowed as Khan pushed him down for the knock down.

Clear enough for me.

Pretty loose definition of the word 'schooled'. There was one point in the fight either way!

I guess Groves 'schooled' DeGale as well then.........

I don't recall anybody saying khan lost convincingly..............I think the OP is seeing things that aren't there..

as I recall people were saying khan was robbed more than convincingly beat...

I for one had him winning but I didn't think it was a robbery.........Contentious yes but If you are going to give away stupid rounds by acting macho and letting a guy hit you then you can't complain..

As for the pushing Khan has been guilty of it regularly although most referees ignore it.......

This guy didn't.

I was watching an ESPN 'Top 10 Heavies' show the other night and the amount Foreman used just push and shove people away from him so they fell into his perfect range as opposed to being in to close for his big hayemakers was astonishing. Made Khan's pushing look like nothing!

Same in any sport really...Always strict and easy going officials....

Washington and the local boy didn't help khan's cause.........But he's deluded If he doesn't bear some of the responsibility for losing that fight..He was walking it.

I had Khan winning even with including the point deductions, albeit closely.

The pushing thing was a joke as pretty much everyone does it so wasn't fair to punish him when no one else is. The ref tried to help Peterson every chance he could.

Saying that I wouldn't of minded Khan been penalised for holding Peterson's head down which he did frequentely.

Regarding the PED issue, ican't remember everything but isn't it the case Peterson tested for an unnatural testosterone but his levels were normal and not elevated? If so it could be said he had a geniune case for TRT due to low testosterone and a bit different from other cases?

I am totally fed up of people discussing the Khan vs. Peterson fight like he lost convincingly or got KO'd.

We gave up talking about it ages ago...why haven't you?

Had Peterson winning by a round previously, think he would win much more comfortably if they get it on again. He will start the pressure early and Khan will not be able to coast for the first 4 rounds.

I'm fed up with people being fed up of Khan-Petersen threads..

I had it peterson by 1

I regards to the knockdown I agree with the above poster, one was a slip but that was made up for the one that wasn't called

In regards to the points deduction, a bit harsh (1 would have sufficed) but the fact remains Khan was pushing in every round and was warned in every round yet he kept doing it so he only has himself to blame. If they were 2 isolated incidents and both were penalised then that's unfair but it just isn't the case

Alltimegreat, can you actually show the posters on this forum that have acted as if he was KOed or that he was schooled

What was significant about the fight was that Khan was riding so high and Peterson wasnt considered a threat. Supposed to be an easy nights work for Khan. Although the issue with PEDS, hatman and the ref cast a cloud over the legitimacy of the win it had the effect of bursting Khans bubble which was then followed up by Garcia and Diaz to a lesser extent.

I never bought into the conspiracy theory really because Khan was the name fighter with a powerful promoter backing him so it didnt make sense that he would get shafted for the unheralded Peterson. The PEDS is a different matter. I think Peterson was guilty as sin. I remember him on Ringside and he said he didnt know how he could have failed a test and that he was going through his bathroom cabinet and shampoo etc and everything trying to figure it out. Well if your going to a medical centre and getting testosterone pellets injected into your backside its kind of hard to imagine that slipping someones mind.

I had Khan winning, I think its been an over exaggeration, because a lot of people here including me thought he would win easy.

He most definitely wasn't schooled.

I don't think I've seen it since it happenend, but I think I had Peterson edging it. Seems like the sort of fight that could get scored sifferently from one time to the other. I do tend to give the guy who's actually doing some damage the benefit of the doubt.

From memory, neither of the knockdowns should have counted. Both tangles of feet, however I only know that from slo month replay. The ref didn't have that so there's nothing untoward about that decision in my mind.

I don't particularly disagree with pushing being penalised, my problem is that it isn't either ALWAYS or NEVER penalised. Mayweather does it loads, although he is more subtle and never gets deducted. Wlad does loads of illegal leaning and pushing but never gets penalised. Pushing isn't a legal move so punish them all, not just one of them.

All of it's irrelevant, Peterson should have been retroactively DQ'd, stripped and banned.

another if he wasnt on PEDs etc thread.

1. Khan HAD to go to Washington because the fight wouldnt sell anywhere else. Peterson had alreadt been beaten by Bradley and drawn with Ortiz

2. Peterson was mandatory but Khan took it as a voluntary because as Manos said above, he was expected to walk through Peterson, hence why going to Washington wasnt an issue either

3. The issue with the testosterone pellets was Team Peterson didnt declare it, had they done so it wouldnt even be an issue, now i am not saying this is right or wrong as thats a different matter but it makes me laugh when people use that as the reason Khan lost, first it was a hometown decision, then the man in the hat, then the pellets.

All those saying the IBF should be ashamed, i dont i think they did better than the WBA who just stripped Peterson and hoped Khan would win it back against Garcia, unlike the WBA the IBF got a specialist to look into the failed test and found that the amount Peterson was given was medically correct to raise his testosterone levels to where they should be, again as metioned this would have had NO IMPACT on the fight, the only sticking point is it wasnt declared to Khans camp who would have agreed to it and the Sanctioning bodies, the reason Khan lost was his own fault.

And the last thing thats gets me is people complaing about the point deductions, realistically Khan shouldnt have been given the knockdown, the first one was the Ref was in the way and the second Khan pushed him down. The point deductions against Khan were justified, he was lucky not to get DQ for the amount of Pushes, headlocks and elbows he was given

no mas, if it was medically ok, why was he banned for a year? Why was their rematch cancelled?

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:I had it peterson by 1

I regards to the knockdown I agree with the above poster, one was a slip but that was made up for the one that wasn't called

In regards to the points deduction, a bit harsh (1 would have sufficed) but the fact remains Khan was pushing in every round and was warned in every round yet he kept doing it so he only has himself to blame. If they were 2 isolated incidents and both were penalised then that's unfair but it just isn't the case

Alltimegreat, can you actually show the posters on this forum that have acted as if he was KOed or that he was schooled

Re: Why Khan Will Be Next For Floyd
by azania Yesterday at 9:20 pm

The juice enhanced his performance. The KO is speculation. But Khan winning against a clean LP is without doubt.

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Re: Why Khan Will Be Next For Floyd
by WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs Yesterday at 9:21 pm

Unless his chin gives out........again

Peterson without juice is still better than Diaz who gave Khan fits

Yea where have I said he was schooled or KOed in the first fight?

azania wrote:no mas, if it was medically ok, why was he banned for a year? Why was their rematch cancelled?

The rematch was cancelled because the positive test came back, so they canceled it (bear in mind the investigation came after that) and he was banned bacuse he did break the rules by not declaring it, as i said above im not saying he was right or wrong, im saying people who use the excuse peterson was drugged up thats why Khan lost are talking utter rubbish, did the pellets improve his performance beyond any mans capability - NO, should he have been punished for not declaring it - YES

That answer your question?

Totally wrong. Testerone on irs own is a PED. Note what PED stands for. Look at the PE.

Also thwy are used because testosterone is often lowered by steroid use. Either way he was juiced which improved his performance.

You may as well say that steroids didn't improve Ben Johnson's performance.

Weren't petersons testosterone levels something like 4:1. I'm sure a normal level is around 1:1 so it could very well have helped him during training.

no-mas wrote:

azania wrote:no mas, if it was medically ok, why was he banned for a year? Why was their rematch cancelled?

The rematch was cancelled because the positive test came back, so they canceled it (bear in mind the investigation came after that) and he was banned bacuse he did break the rules by not declaring it, as i said above im not saying he was right or wrong, im saying people who use the excuse peterson was drugged up thats why Khan lost are talking utter rubbish, did the pellets improve his performance beyond any mans capability - NO, should he have been punished for not declaring it - YES

That answer your question?

The truth hurts Khan nuthuggers, its like drawing hens teeth.

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

no-mas wrote:

azania wrote:no mas, if it was medically ok, why was he banned for a year? Why was their rematch cancelled?

The rematch was cancelled because the positive test came back, so they canceled it (bear in mind the investigation came after that) and he was banned bacuse he did break the rules by not declaring it, as i said above im not saying he was right or wrong, im saying people who use the excuse peterson was drugged up thats why Khan lost are talking utter rubbish, did the pellets improve his performance beyond any mans capability - NO, should he have been punished for not declaring it - YES

That answer your question?

The truth hurts Khan nuthuggers, its like drawing hens teeth.

Ah well. May as well allow boxers to juice up. After all it doesn't affect their performance.

I often get the feeling that Performance Enhancing Drugs are called Performancing Enhancing Drugs because taking them enhances performance. I could be wrong though.

strange how petersons testosterone dipped before his biggest fight.

They can't respond with anything resembling common sense other than saying Khan nuthuggers. He must be the only athlete who took PEDs not to enhance his performance.

azania wrote:

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

no-mas wrote:

azania wrote:no mas, if it was medically ok, why was he banned for a year? Why was their rematch cancelled?

The rematch was cancelled because the positive test came back, so they canceled it (bear in mind the investigation came after that) and he was banned bacuse he did break the rules by not declaring it, as i said above im not saying he was right or wrong, im saying people who use the excuse peterson was drugged up thats why Khan lost are talking utter rubbish, did the pellets improve his performance beyond any mans capability - NO, should he have been punished for not declaring it - YES

That answer your question?

The truth hurts Khan nuthuggers, its like drawing hens teeth.

Ah well. May as well allow boxers to juice up. After all it doesn't affect their performance.

I didn't say we should allow boxers to juice up, what i'm trying to say is the PED issue is the excuse which is branded for the loss, now do you have 100% proof that PED's is the 'only' reason Peterson won the fight, does science or previous juicing fighters prove you right? Guys who juice may also have lost fights in the past aswell. I accept it helps in training etc but it seems an excuse in this instance. One minute it was the hat man issue then all of a sudden it became PED's issue. If Carlos Molina used PED's against Khan would he have won the fight?

Pointless and clueless.

I imagine the letters PE gives something away. But never mind haters gonna hate.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-2186716/Lamont-Peterson-IBF-belt-despite-failed-drug-test.html

Think this is what no-mas is meaning

I think Conte called it low level doping. But hey, why not. Let all boxers do the same. HRT is normally used because roids lower TT levels.

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

azania wrote:

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

no-mas wrote:

azania wrote:no mas, if it was medically ok, why was he banned for a year? Why was their rematch cancelled?

The rematch was cancelled because the positive test came back, so they canceled it (bear in mind the investigation came after that) and he was banned bacuse he did break the rules by not declaring it, as i said above im not saying he was right or wrong, im saying people who use the excuse peterson was drugged up thats why Khan lost are talking utter rubbish, did the pellets improve his performance beyond any mans capability - NO, should he have been punished for not declaring it - YES

That answer your question?

The truth hurts Khan nuthuggers, its like drawing hens teeth.

Ah well. May as well allow boxers to juice up. After all it doesn't affect their performance.

I didn't say we should allow boxers to juice up, what i'm trying to say is the PED issue is the excuse which is branded for the loss, now do you have 100% proof that PED's is the 'only' reason Peterson won the fight, does science or previous juicing fighters prove you right? Guys who juice may also have lost fights in the past aswell. I accept it helps in training etc but it seems an excuse in this instance. One minute it was the hat man issue then all of a sudden it became PED's issue. If Carlos Molina used PED's against Khan would he have won the fight?

Is this a joke or are you really this stupid? Let me break it down for you you dimwit. No one is stating that the performance enhancers (clue's in the name) are the only reason that Khan lost, hence there is no need to '100%' prove anything, however what we can be fairly certain about is that the PEDs helped/assisted/enhanced Peterson's performance to at least some degree. At this level a few percentage improvement in strength/stamina may be all that is required to swing a bout in one persons favour. Given the fight was so close, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to work out that the PEDs could have made the decisive difference. In any case the point is that he CHEATED. He should be stripped of any titles and banned. Not brush it all under the carpet as if it made no difference, like you seem to be keen to do. Hell, why don't we dish out PEDs to all and sundry since we can't '100%' prove that it enhances performance.

The stupidity of some people..

What made the difference was a T*T who kept lying on the ropes taunting the guy and letting him hit him and steal rounds.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:What made the difference was a T*T who kept lying on the ropes taunting the guy and letting him hit him and steal rounds.

Totally agree Garcia was a 7-1 underdog aswell

Maybe the extra strength LP had made the difference. The guy cheated. End of.

So Khan has nothing to reproach himself for..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:So Khan has nothing to reproach himself for..

Of course not, in Az's eyes......