Khan vs Peterson- I'm fed up!

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I am totally fed up of people discussing the Khan vs. Peterson fight like he lost convincingly or got KO'd.

Drugs or no drugs, Khan went to Peterson's backyard and lost a close split decision. Despite the fact Khan had Peterson on the floor and should of scored another knock down but wasnt given it.

Khan also was given a point deduction for pushing, rightly of wrongly is debatable however, if he wasn't given this he would of won the fight!!

End of story and good grief- people need to watch the fight before claiming he was schooled by Peterson.

He should def of been stripped but it's not above a level that is classed as cheating! It's like in the 100m if you time the gun and run 0.01 secs after its classes as cheating and you get a flag all tho it's not really cheating he lost due to fighting a silly way and not being able to adjust like Peterson did! He jst can't deal with pressure fights or big punchers that well! He really should not of lost a round to Garcia never mind be spanked

Khan is probably the only fighter who still gets a hard time after his opponent has actually been caught cheating. People hate the guy irrationally.

Of course he does. But his opponent's performance was artificially enhanced.

I'm baffled why some people want to let that slide.

Oh not another you're a hater exponent...............

He gets a hard time because he's stupid and has no one else to blame for Petersen than HIMSELF!!

sittingringside wrote:Khan is probably the only fighter who still gets a hard time after his opponent has actually been caught cheating. People hate the guy irrationally.

When I say that people have issues that's what I mean.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Oh not another you're a hater exponent...............

He gets a hard time because he's stupid and has no one else to blame for Petersen than HIMSELF!!

So Khan is to blame for LP cheating.

Heard it all now.

azania wrote:

sittingringside wrote:Khan is probably the only fighter who still gets a hard time after his opponent has actually been caught cheating. People hate the guy irrationally.

When I say that people have issues that's what I mean.

Think you guys are giving Khan a free ride......Sure Petersen took PEDs but it should have been irrelevant...Had he chose not to act all macho and give rounds a way he wins...

azania wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Oh not another you're a hater exponent...............

He gets a hard time because he's stupid and has no one else to blame for Petersen than HIMSELF!!

So Khan is to blame for LP cheating.

Heard it all now.

Talk about being taken out of context.................come on!!

The juice gave him extra strength. Maybe Khan had no choice but to be bullied. He still won.

Regardless it was a great fight. I was entertained.

LP cheated. Khan gets the blame for losing.

Wonderful

Are you going to behave yourself ??

I suppose the other cyclists should have ridden faster against Armstrong. Their fault.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Are you going to behave yourself ??

Not today ducky.xx

So wait...people are saying the argument that Khan lost because he was facing a juiced fighter is being a "nuthugger"?

I can promise you I am far from a nuthugger, but its not an excuse. Its one of the reasons. He was proven to have taken a performancing enhancing drug. Performance. Enhancing. Do you read that correctly PPVxHOTTY? Is that making sense? So Petersons performance was enhanced - some facts for you - steroids lower natural testosterone levels, usually people raise this by taking the same things Peterson did but without fear of getting caught are often found at 15/20:1 ratio. Peterson was found at 4:1. He had 4x the amount of testosterone in his body than a normal person. This enhanced his performance. It allowed him to train harder and last through rounds longer. He was actually found guilty.

I don't see where you're drawing an argument from. Khan didn't juice, Peterson did. Close fight - was it close because Peterson was enhanced? Yes, I'd say so.

Rare that I say it but find myself in agreement with Az on this one. Whilst Khan made some major mistakes in the fight and for me the fight showed up some fundamental flaws in his game, particularly an excess of machismo and inability to handle the inside game. However Petersen cheated, I do not know enough about PED’s to know their exact effects (and I would guess none of us do) but he took them for a reason so one would have to think they would have had some tangible effect. If they increase his strength or stamina by even a minor degree that has had an impact on the outcome, particular with how the fight panned out.

Nuthuggers. ..the pair of you

I agree that Petersen shouldn't have won..........

Just believe had the kid had any sense the juicing would have been irrelevant......

He was unprofessional.

Khan can come across as arrogant and has a bad case of foot in mouth disease. It makes it easy for people to not like him. Personally, I think he's just a bit.. Well... Stupid. But I admire him for picking himself up from his setbacks and wish the guy well.

I had the Peterson fight even, khan outclassed him but got outmuscled and hustled... was that because lp was juicing? Hard to say for sure and khan does tend to get walked down and struggles to stick to a game plan. However, lp cheated and still only scraped a win , so I don't see how this is a stick to beat khan with.

Whether Khan fought the wrong fight or not, whether he's incompetent on the insde or not, whether he's too cocky to stick to a fight plan, whatever the reason YOU believe he lost, is besides the point.. because that's the kind of fighter he appears to be. He may make all of those mistakes in his next fight and the subsequent ones. The point here is that LP cheated by enhancng his performance with the deliberate use of banned substances. But according to some people he 'forgot' to put in a medical exemption form and that was his only crime. Yeah right. You'd have to be born yesterday to believe a guy who is having testosterone pellets inserted into his arse region just 'forgot' to mention it to the authorities.. or you're just a numbskull looking to bash another boxer with any stick you can find, however irrational.

No one is arguing that Petersen cheated..........

One can however say that it counts as a loss on Khan's record and one can also say that when you're outboxing a guy.....Lying on the ropes and letting him hit you and pile up points.

Ain't that bright!!

I kind of agree with both to a degree

With Khan the flaws were there, the lack of defence and inability to adapt or stop fouling weretere and probably.still exist today. Thats how I agree with Truss. The juice wasnt the reaso he had these flaws. Tesrosterone doesnt turn a slugger to a master boxer, but a more durable slugger. Peterson wasnt doing anything special, walking in straight lines and like maidana found him easy to get on the ropes

Where I agree with Az, the juice enabled Peterson to exploit khans flaws much more often and with more power. LP wouldnt have won without the juice. I dont hold it against Khan, but he is easy to figure out

Did you actually read the link that diamond but up Az? An independent physician using VADA guidelines concluded that the pellet treatment WOULD NOT again WOULD NOT! have given Peterson any extra advantage in training or the fight. I'm inclined to believe an official than some random khan fan who probably still cries himself to sleep that khan is engaged. And emancipator, why are people numbskulls if the have a different option (backed by fact) than you?

I never said Peterson didn't cheat, what i'm saying is its a excuse used by many for Khans performance as Trussman66 has stated. The issue here is why didn't the IBF strip Peterson like the WBA did, this is why ' an endocrinologist wrote “ the testosterone levels noted in the VADA report are consistent with the therapeutic use of the hormone and not for the purpose of performance enhancement,” “Therefore, these levels would not have enhanced Lamont Peterson’s training for or performance during the bout” against Khan. This is why the IBF did not strip the title from Peterson and they ruled Peterson should retain the belt.'

After the drugs test his battling split decision win over Khan was immediately called into question with people asking how much did the drugs help Peterson win the fight. The failed drug test has cost the fighter a lot of money and his reputation has been tarnished. rightfully so as fighters who use PED's don't deserve any credit whether they WIN or LOSE.

In final The fact that he wasn't stripped by the IBF shows how corrupt boxing has become imo and if Peterson knowingly took something and didn’t declare it on the official paperwork. He was found out rather than being transparent, and that’s cheating, plain and simple.

no-mas wrote:Did you actually read the link that diamond but up Az? An independent physician using VADA guidelines concluded that the pellet treatment WOULD NOT again WOULD NOT! have given Peterson any extra advantage in training or the fight. I'm inclined to believe an official than some random khan fan who probably still cries himself to sleep that khan is engaged. And emancipator, why are people numbskulls if the have a different option (backed by fact) than you?

Exactly but then again Peterson is getting stick when in fact the sanctioning bodies are a disgrace.

no-mas wrote:Did you actually read the link that diamond but up Az? An independent physician using VADA guidelines concluded that the pellet treatment WOULD NOT again WOULD NOT! have given Peterson any extra advantage in training or the fight. I'm inclined to believe an official than some random khan fan who probably still cries himself to sleep that khan is engaged. And emancipator, why are people numbskulls if the have a different option (backed by fact) than you?

So he was banned for no reason. Great.

The WBA stripped Peterson of his title. However, the IBF – staggeringly – found that Peterson's "therapeutic use of the hormone" was "not for the purpose of performance enhancement". That, apparently, was just a happy by-product – like swallowing three Viagra tablets for the hell of it and finding the elasticity of your underpants being unexpectedly put to the test.

But given that the ratio of Peterson's testosterone to epitestosterone level was 3.77:1, when the usual ratio is 1:1, enhancing performance is exactly what it did. No wonder Khan, who was hit with 188 power punches by Peterson according to CompuBox, said: "I certainly hope he is punished hard. He had no respect for me as a fellow fighter, for himself, or for boxing."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2013/feb/03/lamont-peterson-drugs-boxing

Interesting that he had a near on 4:1 ration for the juice and it is claimed that it had NO EFFECT. Was it Dr Riveria who did the test?

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

no-mas wrote:Did you actually read the link that diamond but up Az? An independent physician using VADA guidelines concluded that the pellet treatment WOULD NOT again WOULD NOT! have given Peterson any extra advantage in training or the fight. I'm inclined to believe an official than some random khan fan who probably still cries himself to sleep that khan is engaged. And emancipator, why are people numbskulls if the have a different option (backed by fact) than you?

Exactly but then again Peterson is getting stick when in fact the sanctioning bodies are a disgrace.

Of course the sanctioning bodies are a disgrace. That is a given. But your irrational hatred of Khan is worrying. Mate you have issues. Both of you.

Interesting that that "independent" physician used VADA guidelines when it was VADA guidelines that caught Peterson.

Early yesterday evening, shocking news broke out that current unified IBF and WBA junior welterweight champion Lamont Peterson (30-1-1 15 KOs) tested positive in a VADA test for synthetic testosterone, a banned substance.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1177401-lamont-petersons-drug-tests-explanation-why-he-took-synthetic-testosterone

As I was saying about the sanctioning bodies which you concur) they are a disgrace. Who was this quack the IBF hired?

Your irrational love of Khan is worrying. Bottom line using VADA guidelines Peterson did nothing wrong with the pellet treatment. The thing that was wrong was it was not declared, Peterson said as it was a routine treatment he felt he didn't need to, why should that be disputed? No one disputes Manny when he says he doesn't want to take blood tests as he is scared of needles despite having tattoos, but Mayweather was the devil recreated for asking.

azania wrote:

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

no-mas wrote:Did you actually read the link that diamond but up Az? An independent physician using VADA guidelines concluded that the pellet treatment WOULD NOT again WOULD NOT! have given Peterson any extra advantage in training or the fight. I'm inclined to believe an official than some random khan fan who probably still cries himself to sleep that khan is engaged. And emancipator, why are people numbskulls if the have a different option (backed by fact) than you?

Exactly but then again Peterson is getting stick when in fact the sanctioning bodies are a disgrace.

Of course the sanctioning bodies are a disgrace. That is a given. But your irrational hatred of Khan is worrying. Mate you have issues. Both of you.

Hatred? lol I guess the hatman Mustapha Ameen inserted the pellets up judges backside as well as rigging the scorecards? it was all excuses at the time everyone could see that apart from you, the rematch never happened 'Khan can't redeem himself' so his fanboys come on forums crying like local councillors dying for votes. Your justification is 'oh well the PED's were the factor behind this' no they wasn't unless your deluded. Azania be honest now if Khan had won the fight would you be making the PED issue this huge?

Bottom line is, using VADA guidelines LP was found to be juicing. Using their guidelines he was found to be 4 times over the limit. That cannot be disputed.

So he forgot to declare a pellet up his arse did he? Must have slipped him mind. He forgot it was there I suppose. Sorry but if I had a foreign object near my arse I would not forget that and it wouldn't slip my mind. Why did he claim to be searching through his medical cabinet when it was up his arse all the time? How routine is taking a pellet near your arse?

No one disputes Manny when he says he doesn't want to take blood tests as he is scared of needles despite having tattoos

That is bolox. He was laughed at and that is exactly made more people wonder if he was juicing.

Who was this "independent" doctor who went against VADA guidelines by using VADA guidelines?

Yeah it was VADA who picked it up and they did the right thing to flag it. Then when it was investigated further it was deemed no advantage could be gained. It's like airport security when they see an unattended bag, do they let everything carry on as normal or do they flag it and investigate? Wasn't there an issue a while back that Mayweather gets his hands injected whilst training? Now even though it doesn't give him an advantage if he had not declared he does that and the substance comes up in testing then that should be flagged and investigated, how are you not getting this?

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

azania wrote:

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

no-mas wrote:Did you actually read the link that diamond but up Az? An independent physician using VADA guidelines concluded that the pellet treatment WOULD NOT again WOULD NOT! have given Peterson any extra advantage in training or the fight. I'm inclined to believe an official than some random khan fan who probably still cries himself to sleep that khan is engaged. And emancipator, why are people numbskulls if the have a different option (backed by fact) than you?

Exactly but then again Peterson is getting stick when in fact the sanctioning bodies are a disgrace.

Of course the sanctioning bodies are a disgrace. That is a given. But your irrational hatred of Khan is worrying. Mate you have issues. Both of you.

Hatred? lol I guess the hatman Mustapha Ameen inserted the pellets up judges backside as well as rigging the scorecards? it was all excuses at the time everyone could see that apart from you, the rematch never happened 'Khan can't redeem himself' so his fanboys come on forums crying like local councillors dying for votes. Your justification is 'oh well the PED's were the factor behind this' no they wasn't unless your deluded. Azania be honest now if Khan had won the fight would you be making the PED issue this huge?

I am on record in saying that people who use PEDs should be jailed. I had a friend lay in a coma for 40 days due to injuries sustained by a clean boxer. If a juiced boxer gets in the ring it changes the whole complexion. Attempted manslaughter is what they should be charged with. Jail them and ban them for life.

If you read the report the pellets go in the hip not up the bottom, hhhmm now why would you be thinking up the arse whilst talking about khan?

no-mas wrote:Yeah it was VADA who picked it up and they did the right thing to flag it. Then when it was investigated further it was deemed no advantage could be gained. It's like airport security when they see an unattended bag, do they let everything carry on as normal or do they flag it and investigate? Wasn't there an issue a while back that Mayweather gets his hands injected whilst training? Now even though it doesn't give him an advantage if he had not declared he does that and the substance comes up in testing then that should be flagged and investigated, how are you not getting this?

So someone who is 4;1 over the limit is not juicing. You be 4 times over the drink drive limit and use that as an excuse and see how far you get.

What Floyd use was legal. If you want to quibble as to what a PED is then start another thread. Having cortizone injections to numb pain is different to using steroids. Footballers use cortizone all the time.

no-mas wrote:If you read the report the pellets go in the hip not up the bottom, hhhmm now why would you be thinking up the arse whilst talking about khan?

OK, his arse region. Yes I want to nail Khan up the wrong un. Want to keep to the rather ridiculous point you are making that taking PEDs do not enhance performance? Because in a nutshell that is what you are saying.

irrational?? azania your own words 'Mayweather fights for money and boxing is a business, he deserves bigger cut against Manny'.... Bradley ignores Khan challenge so he 'could join TopRank and get fight Manny' because? he will make more money!. You was one of the 1st here saying Bradley is ducking Khan yet didn't see the bigger picture.. so were is your rational thinking here?

So going by logic if Mayweather fights for money why couldn't Bradley and if Bradley ducked Khan then Mayweather did same for Manny according to your thinking.

I haven't said Bradley is ducking Khan. Quite the opposite. I said he had management issues.

But what has this got to do with PEDs not enhancing LP's performance?

azania wrote:

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

azania wrote:

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

no-mas wrote:Did you actually read the link that diamond but up Az? An independent physician using VADA guidelines concluded that the pellet treatment WOULD NOT again WOULD NOT! have given Peterson any extra advantage in training or the fight. I'm inclined to believe an official than some random khan fan who probably still cries himself to sleep that khan is engaged. And emancipator, why are people numbskulls if the have a different option (backed by fact) than you?

Exactly but then again Peterson is getting stick when in fact the sanctioning bodies are a disgrace.

Of course the sanctioning bodies are a disgrace. That is a given. But your irrational hatred of Khan is worrying. Mate you have issues. Both of you.

Hatred? lol I guess the hatman Mustapha Ameen inserted the pellets up judges backside as well as rigging the scorecards? it was all excuses at the time everyone could see that apart from you, the rematch never happened 'Khan can't redeem himself' so his fanboys come on forums crying like local councillors dying for votes. Your justification is 'oh well the PED's were the factor behind this' no they wasn't unless your deluded. Azania be honest now if Khan had won the fight would you be making the PED issue this huge?

I am on record in saying that people who use PEDs should be jailed. I had a friend lay in a coma for 40 days due to injuries sustained by a clean boxer. If a juiced boxer gets in the ring it changes the whole complexion. Attempted manslaughter is what they should be charged with. Jail them and ban them for life.

Sorry to hear about your friend, but manslaughter is a bit over the top.

azania wrote:I haven't said Bradley is ducking Khan. Quite the opposite. I said he had management issues.

But what has this got to do with PEDs not enhancing LP's performance?

Sure you didn't and this is going off topic but the point was made to highlight the fact because Khan is involved you show no objectivity.

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

azania wrote:

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

azania wrote:

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

no-mas wrote:Did you actually read the link that diamond but up Az? An independent physician using VADA guidelines concluded that the pellet treatment WOULD NOT again WOULD NOT! have given Peterson any extra advantage in training or the fight. I'm inclined to believe an official than some random khan fan who probably still cries himself to sleep that khan is engaged. And emancipator, why are people numbskulls if the have a different option (backed by fact) than you?

Exactly but then again Peterson is getting stick when in fact the sanctioning bodies are a disgrace.

Of course the sanctioning bodies are a disgrace. That is a given. But your irrational hatred of Khan is worrying. Mate you have issues. Both of you.

Hatred? lol I guess the hatman Mustapha Ameen inserted the pellets up judges backside as well as rigging the scorecards? it was all excuses at the time everyone could see that apart from you, the rematch never happened 'Khan can't redeem himself' so his fanboys come on forums crying like local councillors dying for votes. Your justification is 'oh well the PED's were the factor behind this' no they wasn't unless your deluded. Azania be honest now if Khan had won the fight would you be making the PED issue this huge?

I am on record in saying that people who use PEDs should be jailed. I had a friend lay in a coma for 40 days due to injuries sustained by a clean boxer. If a juiced boxer gets in the ring it changes the whole complexion. Attempted manslaughter is what they should be charged with. Jail them and ban them for life.

Sorry to hear about your friend, but manslaughter is a bit over the top.

No it isn't. Imagine what a drug enhanced boxer could do to another boxer? I support a very strict deterrent. Not just the boxer but his doctors and all those associated with the medical side of him.

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

azania wrote:I haven't said Bradley is ducking Khan. Quite the opposite. I said he had management issues.

But what has this got to do with PEDs not enhancing LP's performance?

Sure you didn't and this is going off topic but the point was made to highlight the fact because Khan is involved you show no objectivity.

Don't be silly. We're talking about PEDs here. But you are correct. I show zero objectivity when it comes to that. Obviously there are some gray areas where a combination of legal supplements can lead to a positive reading. But that has to be proved beyong doubt.

I will add that it is because of my friend's plight that I show little objectivity. Boxing is a dangerous sport where life can be lost for our entertainment. When another boxer uses drugs to further endanger life he should be jailed. Simple. It becomes deliberate.

Do you know when Peterson was tested? Do you know how long his levels were raised? They could have been 4:1 for only a few hours after having treatment and return to normal the same day. That's like having a normal person talk to you for an hour then measuring there blood pressure, they would be hospitalised with people thinking they are about to have a heart attack. You say what Mayweather takes is legal, so numbing your hands doesn't help you hit harder? I'm not saying Mayweather is wrong just playing devils advocate. You dont know when the test was taken or how long it takes after treatment for levels to resume, this would have likely been looked into during the investigationwhich found no evidence Peterson had an edge because of it. Also just to turn things around its ok for Mayweather to have injections in his sore hands but Peterson can't have treatment to bring his body back to correct levels because weren't they saying without treatment hehas the levels of an 80year old?

azania wrote:I will add that it is because of my friend's plight that I show little objectivity. Boxing is a dangerous sport where life can be lost for our entertainment. When another boxer uses drugs to further endanger life he should be jailed. Simple. It becomes deliberate.

God help a footballer if you was part of disciplinary panel...they get done for assault for a reckless tackle.

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

azania wrote:I will add that it is because of my friend's plight that I show little objectivity. Boxing is a dangerous sport where life can be lost for our entertainment. When another boxer uses drugs to further endanger life he should be jailed. Simple. It becomes deliberate.

God help a footballer if you was part of disciplinary panel...they get done for assault for a reckless tackle.

So you equate reckless tackling with juiced up boxers then?

azania wrote:

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

azania wrote:I will add that it is because of my friend's plight that I show little objectivity. Boxing is a dangerous sport where life can be lost for our entertainment. When another boxer uses drugs to further endanger life he should be jailed. Simple. It becomes deliberate.

God help a footballer if you was part of disciplinary panel...they get done for assault for a reckless tackle.

So you equate reckless tackling with juiced up boxers then?

I was being sarcastic

no-mas wrote:Do you know when Peterson was tested? Do you know how long his levels were raised? They could have been 4:1 for only a few hours after having treatment and return to normal the same day. That's like having a normal person talk to you for an hour then measuring there blood pressure, they would be hospitalised with people thinking they are about to have a heart attack. You say what Mayweather takes is legal, so numbing your hands doesn't help you hit harder? I'm not saying Mayweather is wrong just playing devils advocate. You dont know when the test was taken or how long it takes after treatment for levels to resume, this would have likely been looked into during the investigationwhich found no evidence Peterson had an edge because of it. Also just to turn things around its ok for Mayweather to have injections in his sore hands but Peterson can't have treatment to bring his body back to correct levels because weren't they saying without treatment hehas the levels of an 80year old?

Play devil's advocate al you want. Taking PEDs is plain wrong and does give an advantage. The clue's in the name in case you missed it.

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

azania wrote:

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

azania wrote:I will add that it is because of my friend's plight that I show little objectivity. Boxing is a dangerous sport where life can be lost for our entertainment. When another boxer uses drugs to further endanger life he should be jailed. Simple. It becomes deliberate.

God help a footballer if you was part of disciplinary panel...they get done for assault for a reckless tackle.

So you equate reckless tackling with juiced up boxers then?

I was being sarcastic

Like all your responses on this thread.

I'm bored of debating this with you now. Bottom line it was investigated, it was deemed that he had no advantage in training or the fight itself but if it makes you feel better he was juiced up, he had the lights in his eyes against Prescott and that was a lucky punch by Garcia, now he is moving up to welterweight NOT because more than likely Mattysee will pick up all the belts in this tournament and then have to face Khan, no not because of that, yes Khan did say he is staying at LWW to clear up despite never actually being number 1 in the division but since this mini tournament has been announced all of sudden he has changed his mind and wants to move up and fight for the IBF belt, wait the IBF? The company Khan called a joke and a disgrace for not giving him the belt back? Surely not!