Pacquiao vs Marquez to be held at catchweight 143-145lbs

by D4thincarnation Mon 09 May 2011, 1:58 pm

First topic message reminder :

People were calling for this fight to be held at catchweight and they have been calling for this fight.

But now that it looks like it will happen at the catchweight people were calling for, will the boxing public be happy?

http://www.boxingscene.com/sources-pacquiao-marquez-held-catch-weight--38989

Sources in Mexico are reporting that a third meeting between Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez will likely have a catch-weight in place. Three weeks ago Marquez received an offer to face Pacquiao in a fall trilogy meeting. Marquez had a problem with some of the itemized terms that were listed in the offer. Pacquiao's promoter, Top Rank, is going to issue a new offer to Marquez on Monday. The revised offer will include several changes in areas that bothered Marquez. The catch-weight, reportedly, is going to fall between 143-145-pounds. Pacquiao has weighed between 144-145 for his last four welterweight ring appearances. Marquez has weighed between 133.5-134 for his last two lightweight title defenses. The fight could take place on November 5 or 12 in Las Vegas

What do you make of this news.

Should be a great fight.

by D4thincarnation Wed 11 May 2011, 1:59 pm

Marquez was bigger than Katsidis on the night. Marquez always hydrates up 12 lbs or so.

But for this fight he will not have to cut that much or at all and will weigh in around 140lbs and weigh 146lbs on the night. He will probably be much better for it as dehydrating yourself is not good for you.

Pacquiao will be doing the same thing. Marquez is the taller man, I think has a slight reach advantage.

It should be obvious to all they are the same size.

by Adam D Wed 11 May 2011, 2:05 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:Marquez was bigger than Katsidis on the night. Marquez always hydrates up 12 lbs or so.

But for this fight he will not have to cut that much or at all and will weigh in around 140lbs and weigh 146lbs on the night. He will probably be much better for it as dehydrating yourself is not good for you.

Pacquiao will be doing the same thing. Marquez is the taller man, I think has a slight reach advantage.

It should be obvious to all they are the same size.

Although I dont agree with coxy's logic, I dont agree with that statement either.

all along you have stated that there will be a difference however slight. Manny is bigger but not by much.

by D4thincarnation Wed 11 May 2011, 2:08 pm

Hobo wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Marquez was bigger than Katsidis on the night. Marquez always hydrates up 12 lbs or so.

But for this fight he will not have to cut that much or at all and will weigh in around 140lbs and weigh 146lbs on the night. He will probably be much better for it as dehydrating yourself is not good for you.

Pacquiao will be doing the same thing. Marquez is the taller man, I think has a slight reach advantage.

It should be obvious to all they are the same size.

Although I dont agree with coxy's logic, I dont agree with that statement either.

all along you have stated that there will be a difference however slight. Manny is bigger but not by much.

Give or take a lbs or two then.

There is no significant size difference.

by BALTIMORA Wed 11 May 2011, 2:11 pm

If there's no significant size difference why not have the fight at 135, or 138, or 140, or even 141 (so it's technically a WW fight)?

by Scottrf Wed 11 May 2011, 2:13 pm

When was the last time a P4P #1 moved down a division to challenge an opponent?

by D4thincarnation Wed 11 May 2011, 2:13 pm

BALTIMORA wrote:If there's no significant size difference why not have the fight at 135, or 138, or 140, or even 141 (so it's technically a WW fight)?

Because they can both make 144lbs easily.

Marquez has accepted it, why can't you?

by BALTIMORA Wed 11 May 2011, 2:14 pm

Scottrf wrote:When was the last time a P4P #1 moved down a division to challenge an opponent?

I know, but I'm just making a point.

Oh, and technically it was Mayweather vs JMM, although that wasn't a division.

by BALTIMORA Wed 11 May 2011, 2:15 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:If there's no significant size difference why not have the fight at 135, or 138, or 140, or even 141 (so it's technically a WW fight)?

Because they can both make 144lbs easily.

Marquez has accepted it, why can't you?

They can both make 140lbs easily. Marquez accepts he won both the first two fights. Why can't you? It's easy, this Boobie for tat lark, isn't it?

by D4thincarnation Wed 11 May 2011, 2:16 pm

BALTIMORA wrote:
Scottrf wrote:When was the last time a P4P #1 moved down a division to challenge an opponent?

I know, but I'm just making a point.

Oh, and technically it was Mayweather vs JMM, although that wasn't a division.

He wasn't p4p no1, but don't let the facts get in the way of your lies.

by Scottrf Wed 11 May 2011, 2:16 pm

I'd rather it was at 140, as I said 300 posts ago. Boxers are egotistical.

by Rowley Wed 11 May 2011, 2:17 pm

Plenty naive to think the P4P number one and guy who puts the noughts on the ends of the cheques is all of a sudden going to start doing things to play into his opponents hands and put himself at even a marginal disadvantage. Has never happened in the past and no reason Manny should buck that trend.

As I've said on countless times Marquez is not a top rank fighter being bullied by Uncle Bob into accepting terms he does not want, if the weight or money are not acceptable he has the simple option of saying no. Genuinely feel some people are taking a pop at Manny here almost out of some sort of default reflex reaction.

by D4thincarnation Wed 11 May 2011, 2:22 pm

Marquez did turn down a chance to fight Pacquiao for $750,000 to fight Chris John instead for a fraction of what Pacquiao was offering.

And I thought Marquez has an accounting degree

Doh

by **HumanWindmill** Wed 11 May 2011, 2:25 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:Marquez did turn down a chance to fight Pacquiao for $750,000 to fight Chris John instead for a fraction of what Pacquiao was offering.

And I thought Marquez has an accounting degree

Maybe he feared being shafted again.

by azania Wed 11 May 2011, 2:26 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:Marquez did turn down a chance to fight Pacquiao for $750,000 to fight Chris John instead for a fraction of what Pacquiao was offering.

And I thought Marquez has an accounting degree

There are plenty of examples of boxers turning down fights for whatever reasons. I know of one who turned down upwards of $45m, because he claimed to be scared of needles. What a fool. That same boxer claims to want to end poverty in his homeland. Lets hope he never becomes chancellor.

by D4thincarnation Wed 11 May 2011, 2:27 pm

HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Marquez did turn down a chance to fight Pacquiao for $750,000 to fight Chris John instead for a fraction of what Pacquiao was offering.

And I thought Marquez has an accounting degree

Maybe he feared being shafted again.

Errr...... Chris John, Indonesia

by Scottrf Wed 11 May 2011, 2:28 pm

azania wrote:There are plenty of examples of boxers turning down fights for whatever reasons. I know of one who turned down upwards of $45m, because he claimed to be scared of needles. What a fool. That same boxer claims to want to end poverty in his homeland. Lets hope he never becomes chancellor.

Unlikely, unless he moves country.

by azania Wed 11 May 2011, 2:30 pm

Scottrf wrote:
azania wrote:There are plenty of examples of boxers turning down fights for whatever reasons. I know of one who turned down upwards of $45m, because he claimed to be scared of needles. What a fool. That same boxer claims to want to end poverty in his homeland. Lets hope he never becomes chancellor.
Unlikely, unless he moves country.

Or their equivalent.

by D4thincarnation Wed 11 May 2011, 2:31 pm

azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Marquez did turn down a chance to fight Pacquiao for $750,000 to fight Chris John instead for a fraction of what Pacquiao was offering.

And I thought Marquez has an accounting degree

There are plenty of examples of boxers turning down fights for whatever reasons. I know of one who turned down upwards of $45m, because he claimed to be scared of needles. What a fool. That same boxer claims to want to end poverty in his homeland. Lets hope he never becomes chancellor.

Right you are, I know of a boxer who turned down $50m pay day to spend time with his family, and by all accounts they don't get on that well.

by **HumanWindmill** Wed 11 May 2011, 2:31 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Marquez did turn down a chance to fight Pacquiao for $750,000 to fight Chris John instead for a fraction of what Pacquiao was offering.

And I thought Marquez has an accounting degree

Maybe he feared being shafted again.

Errr...... Chris John, Indonesia

Why, thank you, D4.

Here's one for you : Muhammad Ali, Louisville, Kentucky.

by azania Wed 11 May 2011, 2:40 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Marquez did turn down a chance to fight Pacquiao for $750,000 to fight Chris John instead for a fraction of what Pacquiao was offering.

And I thought Marquez has an accounting degree

There are plenty of examples of boxers turning down fights for whatever reasons. I know of one who turned down upwards of $45m, because he claimed to be scared of needles. What a fool. That same boxer claims to want to end poverty in his homeland. Lets hope he never becomes chancellor.

Right you are, I know of a boxer who turned down $50m pay day to spend time with his family, and by all accounts they don't get on that well.

Good man for putting his family before money. That same boxer should have done the same as I gather he has a child from another woman who is not his wife.

He could have sponsored so many children is he wasn't scared of needles. What a muppet.

by **HumanWindmill** Wed 11 May 2011, 2:42 pm

azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Marquez did turn down a chance to fight Pacquiao for $750,000 to fight Chris John instead for a fraction of what Pacquiao was offering.

And I thought Marquez has an accounting degree

There are plenty of examples of boxers turning down fights for whatever reasons. I know of one who turned down upwards of $45m, because he claimed to be scared of needles. What a fool. That same boxer claims to want to end poverty in his homeland. Lets hope he never becomes chancellor.

Right you are, I know of a boxer who turned down $50m pay day to spend time with his family, and by all accounts they don't get on that well.

Good man for putting his family before money. That same boxer should have done the same as I gather he has a child from another woman who is not his wife.

He could have sponsored so many children is he wasn't scared of needles. What a muppet.

If he keeps that up the school runs could get busy.

by Rowley Wed 11 May 2011, 2:43 pm

HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Marquez did turn down a chance to fight Pacquiao for $750,000 to fight Chris John instead for a fraction of what Pacquiao was offering.

And I thought Marquez has an accounting degree

Maybe he feared being shafted again.

Errr...... Chris John, Indonesia

Why, thank you, D4.

Here's one for you : Muhammad Ali, Louisville, Kentucky.

I like this game, can I play Prince Naseem Hamed, Sheffield, England

by **HumanWindmill** Wed 11 May 2011, 2:44 pm

rowley wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Marquez did turn down a chance to fight Pacquiao for $750,000 to fight Chris John instead for a fraction of what Pacquiao was offering.

And I thought Marquez has an accounting degree

Maybe he feared being shafted again.

Errr...... Chris John, Indonesia

Why, thank you, D4.

Here's one for you : Muhammad Ali, Louisville, Kentucky.

I like this game, can I play Prince Naseem Hamed, Sheffield, England

Good one, jeff.

Henry Cooper, Bellingham, London, England.

by D4thincarnation Wed 11 May 2011, 2:44 pm

rowley wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Marquez did turn down a chance to fight Pacquiao for $750,000 to fight Chris John instead for a fraction of what Pacquiao was offering.

And I thought Marquez has an accounting degree

Maybe he feared being shafted again.

Errr...... Chris John, Indonesia

Why, thank you, D4.

Here's one for you : Muhammad Ali, Louisville, Kentucky.

I like this game, can I play Prince Naseem Hamed, Sheffield, England

I guess it went over your heads.

by Rowley Wed 11 May 2011, 2:45 pm

HumanWindmill wrote:
rowley wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Marquez did turn down a chance to fight Pacquiao for $750,000 to fight Chris John instead for a fraction of what Pacquiao was offering.

And I thought Marquez has an accounting degree

Maybe he feared being shafted again.

Errr...... Chris John, Indonesia

Why, thank you, D4.

Here's one for you : Muhammad Ali, Louisville, Kentucky.

I like this game, can I play Prince Naseem Hamed, Sheffield, England

Good one, jeff.

Henry Cooper, Bellingham, London, England.

William "Iron" Hague, Mexborough, Rotherham, Englanf

by **HumanWindmill** Wed 11 May 2011, 2:45 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
rowley wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Marquez did turn down a chance to fight Pacquiao for $750,000 to fight Chris John instead for a fraction of what Pacquiao was offering.

And I thought Marquez has an accounting degree

Maybe he feared being shafted again.

Errr...... Chris John, Indonesia

Why, thank you, D4.

Here's one for you : Muhammad Ali, Louisville, Kentucky.

I like this game, can I play Prince Naseem Hamed, Sheffield, England

I guess it went over your heads.

Whereas most things pass through yours, unobstructed.

by BALTIMORA Wed 11 May 2011, 2:51 pm

Carl Froch, Nottingham, England! What do I win?

by BALTIMORA Wed 11 May 2011, 2:52 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:
Scottrf wrote:When was the last time a P4P #1 moved down a division to challenge an opponent?

I know, but I'm just making a point.

Oh, and technically it was Mayweather vs JMM, although that wasn't a division.

He wasn't p4p no1, but don't let the facts get in the way of your lies.

I was trying to be more like you.

by Scottrf Wed 11 May 2011, 2:52 pm

BALTIMORA wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:
Scottrf wrote:When was the last time a P4P #1 moved down a division to challenge an opponent?

I know, but I'm just making a point.

Oh, and technically it was Mayweather vs JMM, although that wasn't a division.

He wasn't p4p no1, but don't let the facts get in the way of your lies.

I was trying to be more like you.

by D4thincarnation Wed 11 May 2011, 2:53 pm

BALTIMORA wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:
Scottrf wrote:When was the last time a P4P #1 moved down a division to challenge an opponent?

I know, but I'm just making a point.

Oh, and technically it was Mayweather vs JMM, although that wasn't a division.

He wasn't p4p no1, but don't let the facts get in the way of your lies.

I was trying to be more like you.

A worthy goal.

Good luck to you sir.

by **HumanWindmill** Wed 11 May 2011, 2:54 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:
Scottrf wrote:When was the last time a P4P #1 moved down a division to challenge an opponent?

I know, but I'm just making a point.

Oh, and technically it was Mayweather vs JMM, although that wasn't a division.

He wasn't p4p no1, but don't let the facts get in the way of your lies.

I was trying to be more like you.

A worthy goal.

Good luck to you sir.

And good luck to the rest of us.

by BALTIMORA Wed 11 May 2011, 2:57 pm

HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:
Scottrf wrote:When was the last time a P4P #1 moved down a division to challenge an opponent?

I know, but I'm just making a point.

Oh, and technically it was Mayweather vs JMM, although that wasn't a division.

He wasn't p4p no1, but don't let the facts get in the way of your lies.

I was trying to be more like you.

A worthy goal.

Good luck to you sir.

And good luck to the rest of us.

Don't worry Windy, I'd sooner slit my own throat if I thought I was turning into that.

I'm pretty sure Mayweather was #1 when he fought JMM though...

by coxy0001 Wed 11 May 2011, 2:57 pm

HumanWindmill wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:
Scottrf wrote:When was the last time a P4P #1 moved down a division to challenge an opponent?

I know, but I'm just making a point.

Oh, and technically it was Mayweather vs JMM, although that wasn't a division.

He wasn't p4p no1, but don't let the facts get in the way of your lies.

I was trying to be more like you.

A worthy goal.

Good luck to you sir.

And good luck to the rest of us.

Windy, just imagine the fun you'll have if there was a clone of D4!!!!!! Wink

by coxy0001 Wed 11 May 2011, 3:03 pm

I'm pretty sure Mayweather was #1 when he fought JMM though...

He'd been dropped from them due to inactivity. As usual.

Came back as #1 in the Yahoo rankings and Iole received hundreds of death threats from Pacquiao's psycho fans. Most of them from D4 probably.

by Boxtthis Wed 11 May 2011, 3:04 pm

Well this thread has run it's course.

The conclusion:

Pacquiao is naturally a bit bigger than Marquez. Marquez will be fighting a fair bit above his optimal weight. Pacquiao will probably win another fight that doesn't do all that much for his legacy.

END OF!

by D4thincarnation Wed 11 May 2011, 3:05 pm

coxy0001 wrote:
I'm pretty sure Mayweather was #1 when he fought JMM though...

He'd been dropped from them due to inactivity. As usual.

Came back as #1 in the Yahoo rankings and Iole received hundreds of death threats from Pacquiao's psycho fans. Most of them from D4 probably.

Why do you worship that guy so much? Iole not Mayweather.

by Scottrf Wed 11 May 2011, 3:06 pm

I have a new found respect for Iole as he's one of the very few people in boxing (including the refs) that scored the Pacquiao-Mosley 10th round correctly.

by D4thincarnation Wed 11 May 2011, 3:13 pm

Scottrf wrote:I have a new found respect for Iole as he's one of the very few people in boxing (including the refs) that scored the Pacquiao-Mosley 10th round correctly.

Did he score it 10-9 Mosley?

by Rowley Wed 11 May 2011, 3:15 pm

Joe Calzaghe, Newbridge, Wales

Or are we not playing that game anymore

by **HumanWindmill** Wed 11 May 2011, 3:16 pm

rowley wrote:Joe Calzaghe, Newbridge, Wales

Or are we not playing that game anymore

Why not ?

Jack Sharkey, Boston, Massachussetts.

by BALTIMORA Wed 11 May 2011, 3:17 pm

HumanWindmill wrote:
rowley wrote:Joe Calzaghe, Newbridge, Wales

Or are we not playing that game anymore

Why not ?

Jack Sharkey, Boston, Massachussetts.

Jack Johnson, Galveston, USA.

by Rowley Wed 11 May 2011, 3:18 pm

HumanWindmill wrote:
rowley wrote:Joe Calzaghe, Newbridge, Wales

Or are we not playing that game anymore

Why not ?

Jack Sharkey, Boston, Massachussetts.

Bob Fitzsimmons, Helston, Cornwall, England - There's a can of worms if ever there was

by Adam D Wed 11 May 2011, 3:19 pm

Rocky Balboa, Philadelphia, USA

by BALTIMORA Wed 11 May 2011, 3:19 pm

rowley wrote:Joe Calzaghe, Newbridge, Wales

Or are we not playing that game anymore

Hang on...shouldn't that be Hammersmith? That's where the Welshman with the Italian name was born.

by Scottrf Wed 11 May 2011, 3:20 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
Scottrf wrote:I have a new found respect for Iole as he's one of the very few people in boxing (including the refs) that scored the Pacquiao-Mosley 10th round correctly.
Did he score it 10-9 Mosley?

Yeah. One of the judges scored it 10-10, another 10-9 Pacquiao.

by BALTIMORA Wed 11 May 2011, 3:22 pm

Scottrf wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
Scottrf wrote:I have a new found respect for Iole as he's one of the very few people in boxing (including the refs) that scored the Pacquiao-Mosley 10th round correctly.
Did he score it 10-9 Mosley?
Yeah. One of the judges scored it 10-10, another 10-9 Pacquiao.

Maybe they were on the take. I'm sure D4 will be disgusted, as

a) He was disgusted at rd1 of Pac-JMM1 being scored a 120-7

b) He's a...huge Pacquiao fan.

by Rowley Wed 11 May 2011, 3:25 pm

BALTIMORA wrote:
rowley wrote:Joe Calzaghe, Newbridge, Wales

Or are we not playing that game anymore

Hang on...shouldn't that be Hammersmith? That's where the Welshman with the Italian name was born.

It's tougher than it initially appears this game

by Scottrf Wed 11 May 2011, 3:27 pm

Someone do Barrack Obama...

by BALTIMORA Wed 11 May 2011, 3:29 pm

Scottrf wrote:Someone do Barrack Obama...

You know the CIA are monitoring your posts now for that..?

by D4thincarnation Wed 11 May 2011, 3:35 pm

Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao, Kibawe, Bukidnon, Philippines

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